Shooting reported at Paris magazine Charlie Hebdo

[barbos]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30710883
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...reported-at-Paris-magazine-Charlie-Hebdo.html

My guess islamists are responsible. If they are, then what?
what is the solution? You can't really protect journalists from such blatant terrorist attack.

 

[barbos]

Yes, alah-akbar people.
12 people are dead.

 

[TV and credit cards]

Muhammad's off limits. You know the rules.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

What can you do? This has gone from highly coordinated but infrequent terror attacks of large scale to quantum coordinated, infrequent, small scale attacks.

You can try and deal with the large cells through intelligence and force, but two people determined to make with the violence, nearly impossible to stop. The only solution is to encourage them not to be radicalized in the first place. That won't be easy, ISIS is intolerable, yet they have people wanting to join them too... from the US.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Muhammad's off limits. You know the rules.

Sad that anyone would justify this.

 

[Rhea]

Muhammad's off limits. You know the rules.

Sad that anyone would justify this.

I think that was sardonic.


And to the OP, I do not know what we do. Was thinking about that this morning. I think Jimmy has the right idea, that it's a war of ideas, not drones. Relentless propagandizing in conjunction with moderate Islamists may start. 'I'd like to buy the world a coke" kind of stuff all over the world. Putting the American marketing juggernaut behind the liberal Muslims to get the word out that this is NOT Islam (even though, yeah, but same as Christianity). To try to move the believers to a less hateful place.

Also, get Palestine their own State. The west looks like thugs there and it undermines the message of, "everyone is tolerable!"

 

[TV and credit cards]

Connectivity, information, education, and time.
In the meantime, security. Intrusiveness to protect freedom and lives.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

What can you do? This has gone from highly coordinated but infrequent terror attacks of large scale to quantum coordinated, infrequent, small scale attacks.

You can try and deal with the large cells through intelligence and force, but two people determined to make with the violence, nearly impossible to stop. The only solution is to encourage them not to be radicalized in the first place. That won't be easy, ISIS is intolerable, yet they have people wanting to join them too... from the US.

That's not really a solution because some people are going to be radicalized and carry out these murders.

We have to accept that these things will happen and that people need to protect themselves as a final line of defense. Sounds crazy but what else can we do?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

What can you do? This has gone from highly coordinated but infrequent terror attacks of large scale to quantum coordinated, infrequent, small scale attacks.

You can try and deal with the large cells through intelligence and force, but two people determined to make with the violence, nearly impossible to stop. The only solution is to encourage them not to be radicalized in the first place. That won't be easy, ISIS is intolerable, yet they have people wanting to join them too... from the US.

That's not really a solution because some people are going to be radicalized and carry out these murders.

We have to accept that these things will happen and that people need to protect themselves as a final line of defense. Sounds crazy but what else can we do?

Well, exactly what I said. It won't eliminate it, but it would work to help reduce it, not that these attacks are wildly common to begin with, of course.

 

[Cycad]

Wolinski death ! Cant believe it.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Humans have a history - one we shall not outgrow soon enough - of being willing to sacrifice great amounts of life for ideas. Maybe it's even more basic and we just like to kill each other, forget natural competition and all that jazz. It's a difficult problem.

 

[ideologyhunter]

Non-radicalized Muslims who care that their religion is loathed by people who cherish free speech have a role to play.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Non-radicalized Muslims who care that their religion is loathed by people who cherish free speech have a role to play.

No less than you and I who exploit other peoples and cultures daily. We don't kill them outright but we do kill them.

And that doesn't mean they wouldn't do the same to us given the opportunity, even passively. We're all the same. How "We" solve it is what's important.

 

[KeepTalking]

Connectivity, information, education, and time.

This, most definitely.

In the meantime, security. Intrusiveness to protect freedom and lives.

No, please, not this. Fuck this. You don't protect freedom by strangling freedom. We've gone far enough down this rabbit hole, and as this horrible event shows, it is not, and will not, work(ing).

 

[repoman]

Is this a good time to ask what is the maximum percentage of muslim country of origin that should be allowed in France?

If say France eventually was 60% Muslim country of origin what would happen to the society and government?

Can't let liberal notions of equality be the way you become a slave to a radicalized sharia government. Would that classify as irony?

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Is this a good time to ask what is the maximum percentage of muslim country of origin that should be allowed in France?

If say France eventually was 60% Muslim country of origin what would happen to the society and government?

Can't let liberal notions of equality be the way you become a slave to a radicalized sharia government. Would that classify as irony?

The solution is to fight fire with fire and to welcome peace with peace. Radicalized people do not see themselves in the people they kill.

The better question is what percentage of radicalized people should any non-radicalized society allow. /stupidity

 

[repoman]

There are other things that can get far out of balance in a country the USA, such as rich people who control government making a safety net for themselves and destroying it for others. Once it has gone far enough it is nearly impossible to get it back.

The demographics of muslim population in a formerly mostly christian (but forced to accept secularism) society may also have a no-turning-back point.

Bring hindus, zoroastrians, coptic christians and buddhists in. Be wary of the islamic load of society.

 

[Trausti]

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

There are other things that can get far out of balance in a country the USA, such as rich people who control government making a safety net for themselves and destroying it for others. Once it has gone far enough it is nearly impossible to get it back.

The demographics of muslim population in a formerly mostly christian (but forced to accept secularism) society may also have a no-turning-back point.

Bring hindus, zoroastrians, coptic christians and buddhists in. Be wary of the islamic load of society.

These people were willing to kill for an idea. That makes them no different than the mainstream French who have done this for generations uncounted. How are they anymore horrible? Why not just accept the fact that you're the same as them and get on with the fight? Lots of people will die but maybe there will be a resolution in the end.

 

[TV and credit cards]

In the meantime, security. Intrusiveness to protect freedom and lives.

No, please, not this. Fuck this. You don't protect freedom by strangling freedom. We've gone far enough down this rabbit hole, and as this horrible event shows, it is not, and will not, work(ing).

I agree, buuuut... Well, let's see if the Islamic Fuckwads (if they in fact were Islamic Fuckwads) have successfully abridged Charlie Hebdo's freedom. They've damn sure abridged their staff. Then we can revisit this question.