Trump chooses Vance as running mate

[lpetrich]

Trump’s J.D. Vance pick unnerves GOP’s business elite, thrills populists - The Washington Post - "The Ohio senator leads a GOP faction sharply breaking with party ideology on free markets, trade and other policies"

“It’s clear to most leaders of the party that the future will be the Vances, the Hawleys and the Rubios — to have one of them be on the ticket is a very significant marker, or in some ways validation, of the direction the Republican Party is now heading on key economic issues,” said Oren Cass, a Vance ally and president of American Compass, a think tank closely tied to the economic populists in the GOP. “Vance articulates a very clear perspective on the failure of what he’ll call the ‘market fundamentalism’ of the GOP — the consensus economic policy of the last few decades.”

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“The emergence of Trump has caused a populist, aggressive side of the GOP to split off on economics, and Vance is one of the leaders of that populist caucus,” said Brian Riedl, who served as an aide to Portman and is now at the Manhattan Institute, a center-right think tank. “Trump is much more economically populist, anti-free trade than traditional Republicans, and Vance has pushed hard to support this new populist economics in the GOP.”

That's Rob Portman, JD Vance's predecessor in his Senate seat.

Many top donors to the Republican Party reportedly oppose JD Vance, though they prefer to avoid speaking publicly about that. A big media supporter of the party allegedly lobbed for Doug Burgum instead of JD Vance, and DB supports what such donors prefer: more Reaganism.

 

[TV and credit cards]

JD Vance is a true believer. Also, being less than a 2 yr Senator, while the position of VP small, it is bigger than his political clout. Also, the VP will likely be more busy in this Administration if they win and fire most of the Executive Branch.

In saying what he needs to say in the moment.

Think part of why he was selected is because he was a never-trumper. Trump likes that he has been broken and wants to humiliate him further as his lackey.

If and when he is officially VP, Vance doesn't have to take any crap from Trump.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

There's also this:

 

[Shadowy Man]

If and when he is officially VP, Vance doesn't have to take any crap from Trump.

really?? When Trump will be criminally immune for his actions?

 

[TV and credit cards]

If and when he is officially VP, Vance doesn't have to take any crap from Trump.

really?? When Trump will be criminally immune for his actions?

Okay, there is that. Wouldn't Vance be similarly immune?

 

[Shadowy Man]

If and when he is officially VP, Vance doesn't have to take any crap from Trump.

really?? When Trump will be criminally immune for his actions?

Okay, there is that. Wouldn't Vance be similarly immune?

Did the SC say VPs have criminal immunity?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

If and when he is officially VP, Vance doesn't have to take any crap from Trump.

really?? When Trump will be criminally immune for his actions?

Okay, there is that. Wouldn't Vance be similarly immune?

Did the SC say VPs have criminal immunity?

Probably if they were Republican. Didn't they suggest Trump talking to Pence about fucking the election through skull was immune?

 

[Shadowy Man]

If and when he is officially VP, Vance doesn't have to take any crap from Trump.

really?? When Trump will be criminally immune for his actions?

Okay, there is that. Wouldn't Vance be similarly immune?

Did the SC say VPs have criminal immunity?

Probably if they were Republican. Didn't they suggest Trump talking to Pence about fucking the election through skull was immune?

Immune for Trump, but for Pence I don’t think so. ??

 

[Politesse]

How did it come to be that both the Presidential and VP candidates for the Republican Party wear makeup? Or rather, how do Republican voters just not say anything about it, but still engage in the worship when they're completely against this sort of thing?

All politicians since the advent of broadcast television have worn makeup. You don't want to look like a noseless, mouthless ghost who juat got out of bed in a televised debate.

 

[Toni]

The classic tactic is to select a VP who is an attack dog. I haven't seen that in a while but this is what Vance is. Both Trump and Vance will make tons of noise together. Every day. Multiple times a day. BUT I believe the tactic is supposed to be that the Presidential candidate acts mature and above the fray while the VP candidate does dirty work. I just can't see Trump maintaining that he's "Teh Unifier" for very long... Thus, my prediction of how this will spiral into our next phase of Idiocracy.

Here’s what I think: Despite the fact that Vance’s ‘hillbilly’ roots being debunked ( see below if anyone cares) but he genuinely did come from some pretty hard scrabble roots, and he justifiably has earned some respect. He writes well: I read his Hillbilly Ejegy, and enjoyed it and while my family has no roots in Appalachia and none of my close relatives struggled with drug addiction ( that I know of) a lot of what he wrote resonated with me. Not so much that I shared his experiences but they did remind me of my parents’ early lives. And I cannot be the only one. To me, that makes him a genuine threat: he’s relatable to a lot of working class/barely middle class people who are only one or two generations off of the farm or out of the mines or off the line. He’s a kind of right wing Joe Biden, if you will.

Don’t get me wrong: I abhor every position he has publicly taken in order to secure his position in the ticket. But as threats go—he’s the real deal.

Here's something from facebook:

Terra Vance - Marked Melungeon

Terra Vance - Marked Melungeon. 28,505 likes · 3,525 talking about this. Authentic Hillbilly Vance. Full flavor Melungeon. Future ancestor. Coal camp West Virginia Poor. My communication style is a...

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The Vance/Hatfield clan was not Scots-Irish. They were European-born Romani (largely French/German), Cherokee, Shawnee, possibly-African, likely Middle Eastern, and maybe other things. They were mixed.
Most of the people who are old-mix actual-Appalachians in the coal camps are descendants of Melungeons. They’ve been treated like expendable cheap resources because of structural racism being the norm.
You can’t talk about Melungeons without talking about why they have such profound generational trauma. You can’t do that when you don’t talk about white supremacy.
The one authentic thing that JD Vance did that is keeping up with Melungeon tradition is changing his name and appearing to be from somewhere he’s not in order to obscure his ethnic heritage.
That would maybe have panned out for him a little better if he’d gone further than Wikipedia to learn about his ancestors.
But we are not the Irish Vances. That name was a Whiteness costume originally, and so it’s fitting JD Vance would put it on.
Incidentally, I have Bowman ancestors, too. Some are on JD Bowman “Vance’s” paternal side. I put their photos as the final two so you can tell me how much they beam with “Scots-Irish” pride.
JD is an Outsider, and he knew that before he tried to put on the hillbilly costume just to distance himself from actual-Vances and other coal camp Melungeons.
He put MY family name on in order to benefit off a legacy that he has not lived through the consequences of… he just whitewashed it, fictionalized it, and then condescended to as he set himself up as a supreme harbinger of rising above his hillbilly white-trashedness.
We actual-Vances can define ourselves, and we don’t have to whitewash ourselves to do that.

 

[ZiprHead]

 

[barbos]

The guy is going to retire at 52! That's crazy. That is of course if Biden fails to assasinate Trump and/or Vance.
I can't wait for J.D. Vance - Kamala Trump debates.
Yeah. And Ukraine is royally fucked.

 

[Politesse]

Looks like you are going to have 12 years of J.D. Vance administration. That is of course if Biden fails to assasinate Trump and/or Vance.

Depends on whether Trump manages to take him down with him or not. Condoleeza Rice used to look like a rising star in Washington, too, but her association with the Bush administration proved fatal to her (political) career.

Biden assassinate Trump? This ain't Russia, my friend. We've shot a lot of our own presidents, but it's always some random nutjob, and this is, too.

 

[barbos]

Depends on whether Trump manages to take him down with him or not.

True. But I think/hope that Vanse will be the actual president.

 

[barbos]

Biden assassinate Trump? This ain't Russia, my friend. We've shot a lot of our own presidents, but it's always some random nutjob,

So they claim. Biden (Deep State) Junta is deranged enough I think.

 

[Politesse]

Biden does not have a "deep state".

You have to own a company to even access the medium-deep level of state.

 

[Toni]

The guy is going to retire at 52! That's crazy. That is of course if Biden fails to assasinate Trump and/or Vance.
I can't wait for J.D. Vance - Kamala Trump debates.
Yeah. And Ukraine is royally fucked.

The thing is, unlike Trump, Biden is competent. Biden gets things done. If assassination were his game, Trump would be dead.

Trump is the one who acts like mid-level gangster cusplaying a mob boss.

 

[barbos]

The guy is going to retire at 52! That's crazy. That is of course if Biden fails to assasinate Trump and/or Vance.
I can't wait for J.D. Vance - Kamala Trump debates.
Yeah. And Ukraine is royally fucked.

The thing is, unlike Trump, Biden is competent. Biden gets things done. If assassination were his game, Trump would be dead.

Trump is the one who acts like mid-level gangster cusplaying a mob boss.

Biden is no longer competent and Kamala Trump has never been competent.
In case of future Trump administration we will obviously have competent VP.

 

[Toni]

The guy is going to retire at 52! That's crazy. That is of course if Biden fails to assasinate Trump and/or Vance.
I can't wait for J.D. Vance - Kamala Trump debates.
Yeah. And Ukraine is royally fucked.

The thing is, unlike Trump, Biden is competent. Biden gets things done. If assassination were his game, Trump would be dead.

Trump is the one who acts like mid-level gangster cusplaying a mob boss.

Biden is no longer competent and Kamala Trump has never been competent.
In case of future Trump administration we will obviously have competent VP.

I have zero idea who Kamala Trump is but I will agree that Trump has never been competent. I mean: the Donald, of course. And his sons. Biden is much more than competent. Harris as well. Easy to tell by their track records.

What exactly is Vance competent at? Boot licking? Lying? Inflating his credentials? Claiming roots he does not really have and making political hay with them? I will give you that Vance is a good writer. I enjoyed his book. But who and what is he, exactly? The person who called Trump America's Hitler? Or the one who signed on to be the new Mike Pence, no matter where he had to put his tongue?

AFAIK, your admiration of Vance hinges on his identity as a white man, although you might change your mind if you realized that he claims Melungeon heritage he may not possess and he married a woman with Indian (asian) heritage and has 'mixed' kids. But I suspect the real thing that has you in his corner is that he wants to withdraw all support from Ukraine.

 

[barbos]

I have zero idea who Kamala Trump is

Ask your totally not senile POTUS.