Pope Francis. The second coming of Al Gore?

[fromderinside]

"Pope Francis Steps Up Campaign on Climate Change, to Conservatives’ Alarm http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/28/w...-change-to-conservatives-alarm.html?ref=world

Whoop, Whoop, or Don't Don't: Will the leader of the developing world tilt the discussion or will he have as little effect as did Pope Benedict?

Will his leadership be massive or it could it be a drip in a small sink.

But climate policy advocates see a scheduled address by the pope to Congress in September as a potent moment — about 30 percent of members of Congress are Catholics, more than belong to any other religion, according to a study published this year by the Pew Research Center.

Think South America:

The pope’s influence on the Paris climate accord may be strongest in Latin America. In past years, Latin American countries have resisted efforts to enact climate policy, arguing that developing economies should not have to cut emissions while developed economies continue to pollute.

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[Jolly_Penguin]

There is a lot about this Pope that I don't like. For starters, that he's a Pope. But he often shows me that he's a big improvement over the last few they have had. If he becomes a voice that pulls religious conservatives leftward, I'm glad he's where he is.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

There is a lot about this Pope that I don't like. For starters, that he's a Pope. But he often shows me that he's a big improvement over the last few they have had. If he becomes a voice that pulls religious conservatives leftward, I'm glad he's where he is.

How many non-Hispanic American Catholics really sway their opinions based on what the Pope says?

 

[fromderinside]

There is a lot about this Pope that I don't like. For starters, that he's a Pope. But he often shows me that he's a big improvement over the last few they have had. If he becomes a voice that pulls religious conservatives leftward, I'm glad he's where he is.

How many non-Hispanic American Catholics really sway their opinions based on what the Pope says?

A bunch. Since the Catholic church doubled down abortion clinics and services have been drastically reduced and the conservative ranks are being swollen by industrial state union members.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

There is a lot about this Pope that I don't like. For starters, that he's a Pope. But he often shows me that he's a big improvement over the last few they have had. If he becomes a voice that pulls religious conservatives leftward, I'm glad he's where he is.

How many non-Hispanic American Catholics really sway their opinions based on what the Pope says?

i don't know, since I don't live there, but the Pope is known in more than just that one country.

 

[Sarpedon]

The problem is that he's an untouchable, apparently unbribable public figure who is popular and while he doesn't necessarily has to be obeyed, he can't be ignored.

Also: the whole 'non hispanic' part. The Repubs are desperate to start recruiting hispanics. (at least the smart ones are, I am amused to watch the scism between the smart repubs and the racist repubs) One of the main levers they planned on using was conservative social values: anti abortion, anti woman, anti gay. Now suddenly there's a Pope who is all about the poor, and wisely links the environment to the problem of poverty. It's absolutely delicious.

 

[fromderinside]

Is this the stage the Evangelicals foresaw when they infiltrated the Republican party. Did they already pick sides.  Benjamin Netanyahu the second coming (appropriate that a Jew be the second coming) and Pope Francis the Antichrist (also appropriate representing the corrupted Church)? Will Tea Party heads explode? Will union workers come back to join Hillary's party?

Is this Max Headroom time? Will heads literally (had to do it because its soo fucked up) explode

 

[angelo]

Really, does anyone care what this guy with the puffy hat have to say?

 

[fromderinside]

Really, does anyone care what this guy with the puffy hat have to say?

As far as I can tell only those who get their politics and news through the pulpit would matter here in the US. Those would be underemployed catholic worker and evangelicals.


Underemployed catholics would be conflicted by local Bishops railing about abortion and the Pope standing up for the environment. Some might come back to the democratic party from it.

Evangelicals have tied their fortunes to Israel and the red calf signal for end of times, to anti-science as a ploy for Creationism, to coopting the Republican party to do their religious bidding, and to leadership from Rome on abortion.

These people will really be hurt since they depend on the Pope to parrot anti abortion Bishops and on Rome tendencies to be against anything reeking of modernity. Environment support by the Pope knocks two pins of their agenda for being political. The Pope speaking out could uncouple evangelicals from the Republican party since many Republican legislators are actually Catholic.

Other than these information light people i see no other influence of the Pope's environmental linking to the plight of people (the poor).

 

[dismal]

I love how a pope can suddenly become an authority figure on an atheist discussion board by spouting garden variety leftism.

Someone ought to ask him why god won't just make the planet as warm as he wants it. And stop those earthquakes in Nepal while he's at it. What's up with that?

 

[Sarpedon]

The pope has three advantages in this tug-of-war:

He is likeable.
He is correct.
He is the fucking Pope.

 

[fromderinside]

I love how a pope can suddenly become an authority figure on an atheist discussion board by spouting garden variety leftism.

Someone ought to ask him why god won't just make the planet as warm as he wants it. And stop those earthquakes in Nepal while he's at it. What's up with that?

Christian God doesn't have the all powerful package.

 

[dismal]

I love how a pope can suddenly become an authority figure on an atheist discussion board by spouting garden variety leftism.

Someone ought to ask him why god won't just make the planet as warm as he wants it. And stop those earthquakes in Nepal while he's at it. What's up with that?

Christian God doesn't have the all powerful package.

Christian God built the mofoing planet in 6 days. (Or was it 5? I forget)

Surely he can tweak the temperature setting a bit without breaking a sweat.

 

[fromderinside]

Christian God doesn't have the all powerful package.

Christian God built the mofoing planet in 6 days. (Or was it 5? I forget)

Surely he can tweak the temperature setting a bit without breaking a sweat.

Nope. Gave us free will. Something else that doesn't exist.

 

[dismal]

Christian God built the mofoing planet in 6 days. (Or was it 5? I forget)

Surely he can tweak the temperature setting a bit without breaking a sweat.

Nope. Gave us free will. Something else that doesn't exist.

Giving us free will doesn't mean he can't set the planet temperature where he wants. All these ice ages and "natural" variations? Who do you think is doing that?

 

[fromderinside]

Nope. Gave us free will. Something else that doesn't exist.

Giving us free will doesn't mean he can't set the planet temperature where he wants. All these ice ages and "natural" variations? Who do you think is doing that?

Geez. How can one have free will if some architect is messing up things all the time in our interests? I'm stopping here or we'll be thrown to the wolves in the Philosophy forums.

Directly answering your question the, second law of thermodynamics.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

This Pope gets some props because despite being grossly conservative, he is far to the left of the last guy, the Nazi Youth boy Pope. The last guy was to the right of Satan.

Christian God doesn't have the all powerful package.

Christian God built the mofoing planet in 6 days. (Or was it 5? I forget)

Unknown. He at least assembled the planet in 6 days. Whether the planet was here a priori is up for debate.

Surely he can tweak the temperature setting a bit without breaking a sweat.

He has mysterious ways which can only be understood by wearing funny hats.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

There is a lot about this Pope that I don't like. For starters, that he's a Pope. But he often shows me that he's a big improvement over the last few they have had. If he becomes a voice that pulls religious conservatives leftward, I'm glad he's where he is.

Yeah. Amongst popes he's pretty darn good. That's not a very high standard, though.

 

[dismal]

Giving us free will doesn't mean he can't set the planet temperature where he wants. All these ice ages and "natural" variations? Who do you think is doing that?

Geez. How can one have free will if some architect is messing up things all the time in our interests? I'm stopping here or we'll be thrown to the wolves in the Philosophy forums.

Directly answering your question the, second law of thermodynamics.

He gave you the free will to jump off a building. But having the free will to jump off a building does not mean he gave you the ability to fly away like a bird after doing so. He could give you that ability, but it's not a function of giving you free will. The results of you exercising your free will are still impacted by his fingers being on the controls over the laws of physics and natural phenomena.

 

[dismal]

Surely he can tweak the temperature setting a bit without breaking a sweat.

He has mysterious ways which can only be understood by wearing funny hats.

Thus I suggested someone should ask the Pope why God doesn't just tweak the temperature a bit. And fix the earthquakes in Nepal while he's at it.