Paul Krugman on Global Warmin, COP 20 and Republicans

[ZiprHead]

http://www.salon.com/2015/12/04/paul_krugman_we_may_be_doomed_and_if_we_are_the_republican_party_will_be_responsible/

New York Times columnist Paul Krugman argued Friday that the climate talks in Paris “could mark a turning point” in “solving the problem of global warning,” and as such are the only event “future historians, if there are any future historians” will find worthy of remembering.

Or not, as “we may be doomed. And if we are, you know who will be responsible: the Republican Party.” According to Krugman, the problem isn’t that some Republicans don’t believe in man-made global climate change, but that it’s an “orthodox[y] enforced on a whole party by what even my conservative colleague David Brooks calls the ‘thought police.'”

 

[untermensche]

He points out a real hazard to human existence.

The Republican Party.

A Party thoroughly and absolutely corrupted by money and power. Not to mention the insanity of Christian fundamentalism.

It has no connection to anything real except money and power.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

I thought Krugman was an economist. True he is a Keynesian, but he's still an economist.

 

[untermensche]

I thought Krugman was an economist. True he is a Keynesian, but he's still an economist.

He's a Nobel Prize winning economist.

But not a one trick pony.

He understands US politics very well.

And the science of climate change is accepted all across the world.

Except by the Republican Party. The Party that dragged us into Iraq and ended up giving us ISIS as a bonus.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Ah, I see. Because he's Krugman he can give informed opinions on any issue.

Especially the Republicratic and Demolican Parties, the parties that dragged us into Iraq and ended up giving us ISIS as a bonus.

 

[untermensche]

Ah, I see. Because he's Krugman he can give informed opinions on any issue.

Especially the Republicratic and Demolican Parties, the parties that dragged us into Iraq and ended up giving us ISIS as a bonus.

It was Republican "neocons" that wanted the invasion of Iraq. They begged Clinton to do it.

And they attached themselves to the boy genius GW to ultimately get it done.

Democrats were useless to try to stop them, and many went along, like Hillary, not Bernie, for political reasons, but it was a Republican invasion, planned by Republicans and carried out by Republicans, and we live with a Republican aftermath.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Do you want to know why your precious Democrats were useless to stop them? Because they wanted war too, just as much, just as bloody.

 

[untermensche]

Do you want to know why your precious Democrats were useless to stop them? Because they wanted war too, just as much, just as bloody.

It was a Republican war, planned by Republicans and carried out by Republicans.

When a Democrat was president the Republicans that carried out the invasion begged him to invade, but he wouldn't. He wasn't that stupid.

 

[repoman]

Best case scenario for global warming and related effects would be all humans dying now. Even then we may have 20+ meters of sea level rise in place as well as much more drought followed by deluges which won't be enough to moisten the baked soils.

It is not a problem it is a predicament.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Do you want to know why your precious Democrats were useless to stop them? Because they wanted war too, just as much, just as bloody.

It was a Republican war, planned by Republicans and carried out by Republicans.

When a Democrat was president the Republicans that carried out the invasion begged him to invade, but he wouldn't. He wasn't that stupid.

Instead he bombed Serbia twice, and destroyed a pharmaceutical factory in the Sudan, as well as bombed Iraq repeatedly. Democrats do seem to very much like waging war from the air where it is nice and safe and you get more collateral damage, excuse me, dead suspected terrorists.

 

[untermensche]

It was a Republican war, planned by Republicans and carried out by Republicans.

When a Democrat was president the Republicans that carried out the invasion begged him to invade, but he wouldn't. He wasn't that stupid.

Instead he bombed Serbia twice, and destroyed a pharmaceutical factory in the Sudan, as well as bombed Iraq repeatedly. Democrats do seem to very much like waging war from the air where it is nice and safe and you get more collateral damage, excuse me, dead suspected terrorists.

So you're trying to claim that GW is tough because he launched (sent others) an immoral and insane land war?

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Instead he bombed Serbia twice, and destroyed a pharmaceutical factory in the Sudan, as well as bombed Iraq repeatedly. Democrats do seem to very much like waging war from the air where it is nice and safe and you get more collateral damage, excuse me, dead suspected terrorists.

So you're trying to claim that GW is tough because he launched (sent others) an immoral and insane land war?

Noooooo....

I'm trying to claim that Democrats aren't the peaceniks you are trying to paint them as. You want to say they tried for peace but were blocked by the evil Republican warmongers. I say that they didn't try for peace because they also love war.

 

[fromderinside]

So you're trying to claim that GW is tough because he launched (sent others) an immoral and insane land war?

Noooooo....

I'm trying to claim that Democrats aren't the peaceniks you are trying to paint them as. You want to say they tried for peace but were blocked by the evil Republican warmongers. I say that they didn't try for peace because they also love war.

Surprise, surprise, surprise, at least to untermenche, I'm siding with him on this issue. I'm doing it because the way Bush politically played the war vote just before the 2002 congressional elections. Had cooler heads prevailed the vote would have been held early in 2003 after the elections and the politics we hear about today would be of little consequence. My recollection is that more than 15 democratic senate votes were politically pressured into for the measure just because the heat of the nation was for any punishment it cold exact in the ME after 9-11.

Bush didn't have to have the rush the vote at that time, yet he insisted on it to take advantage of that very political pressure. Good politics perhaps, but, terrible national policy as became evident later after flowers failed to be strewn at the feet of our conquering army as Cheney had promised.

 

[untermensche]

So you're trying to claim that GW is tough because he launched (sent others) an immoral and insane land war?

Noooooo....

I'm trying to claim that Democrats aren't the peaceniks you are trying to paint them as. You want to say they tried for peace but were blocked by the evil Republican warmongers. I say that they didn't try for peace because they also love war.

Saying that the invasion of Iraq was desired by Republicans long before 911, planned by Republicans and carried out by Republicans says absolutely nothing about Democrats.

It just points out how dangerous and insane our current crop of Republicans are.

 

[J842P]

So you're trying to claim that GW is tough because he launched (sent others) an immoral and insane land war?

Noooooo....

I'm trying to claim that Democrats aren't the peaceniks you are trying to paint them as. You want to say they tried for peace but were blocked by the evil Republican warmongers. I say that they didn't try for peace because they also love war.

You must be confusing untermensche for someone else.

 

[dismal]

I thought Krugman was an economist. True he is a Keynesian, but he's still an economist.

As a rule: before 2000 he was an economist. Now he's a political hack.

 

[PyramidHead]

I thought Krugman was an economist. True he is a Keynesian, but he's still an economist.

As a rule: before 2000 he was an economist. Now he's a political hack economist who agrees with a Democrat.

Fixed.

 

[dismal]

As a rule: before 2000 he was an economist. Now he's a political hack economist who agrees with a Democrat.

Fixed.

Tip: "blaming republicans for global warming" not equal "economics"

 

[untermensche]

Fixed.

Tip: "blaming republicans for global warming" not equal "economics"

Tip, being brilliant in economics does not make one blind to the obvious.

 

[PyramidHead]

Fixed.

Tip: "blaming republicans for global warming" not equal "economics"

I didn't realize being an economist precludes one from speaking on non-economic matters, even those that have potentially devastating economic impacts. But no, he should stick to what he's right about, the whole Keynesian thing.