[POLL] Brexit poll

[DrZoidberg]

How about some bets and arguments for why you think so.

I'll go first:

I think the UK stays simply because enough people realize that Britain gets more by being in than it costs. I think everybody realizes that you can't just count the money back and forward. Just the fact that there's a free flow of money and people across Europe means more money for everybody = everybody wins.

I also think the hyperbolic arguments from the Brexit side are getting pretty old now. The Brits are bored with them.

 

[whichphilosophy]

If the British choose to leave, the exit will take some years to conclude, as it took some years to enter. Britain can then make its own laws, independent of Europe and despite the scare mongering will still be largely unaffected in its trading. It can open/reopen markets with NZ and Australia (who produce and export dairy products cheaper than those of the UK and Europe). Trade with the USA (a major partner and China will largely be unaffected. Some Europeans may try to impose certain tariffs on UK products but the UK is also a large importer of Eu products so I doubt if the situation will end up that drastic.

 

[iolo]

We'll have a very deep crisis if we leave, since the Brexit nutters are a tiny minority in Parliament who couldn't, anyway, run a piss-up in a brewery. Within two years of such a verdict we'll be grovelling to be let back in, but I doubt if the EU will be interested in more silly dramas. Never underrate the ignorance of the British People, however, given the dreadfulness of their 'free press'.

 

[whichphilosophy]

We'll have a very deep crisis if we leave, since the Brexit nutters are a tiny minority in Parliament who couldn't, anyway, run a piss-up in a brewery. Within two years of such a verdict we'll be grovelling to be let back in, but I doubt if the EU will be interested in more silly dramas. Never underrate the ignorance of the British People, however, given the dreadfulness of their 'free press'.

Britain doesn't have proportional representation. If the UKIP was provided MPs on that basis it would have around 82 MPs and not 1. Further it did come second in a lot of places. It is not clear what crisis you are talking about since our main trading partner is the USA and Europe purchases a lot from the UK. I'm not sure Britain would vote to leave, but if it did, we wouldn't leave in one day. It could take years.

 

[Tigers!]

I do like whichphilosophy's answers.

 

[whichphilosophy]

I do like whichphilosophy's answers.

At the moment polls are close for those who want IN or OUT but Shake it all about is gaining popularity.

 

[iolo]

We'll have a very deep crisis if we leave, since the Brexit nutters are a tiny minority in Parliament who couldn't, anyway, run a piss-up in a brewery. Within two years of such a verdict we'll be grovelling to be let back in, but I doubt if the EU will be interested in more silly dramas. Never underrate the ignorance of the British People, however, given the dreadfulness of their 'free press'.

Britain doesn't have proportional representation. If the UKIP was provided MPs on that basis it would have around 82 MPs and not 1. Further it did come second in a lot of places. It is not clear what crisis you are talking about since our main trading partner is the USA and Europe purchases a lot from the UK. I'm not sure Britain would vote to leave, but if it did, we wouldn't leave in one day. It could take years.

As you know, your American masters want you as a way into the EU for themselves, and I don't myself fancy our becoming a second Puerto Rico, which is the choice we have. Yes, it would take years of desperate attempts to make treaties, which would all evidently be failing within a few months. UKiP is just a cover for Sun readers and their half-wit relations, as you know. The electoral system is what people appear to want, God knows why.

 

[repoman]

If all the British MPs would forswear the perks of being an MEP or EU bureaucrat their shilling for it would be more trusted.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

In a surprise move, Britain stays, but Scotland leaves EU.

And what is the deal with the poll choices. Does In agree with the question posed or does it mean Britain stays "in" the EU?

 

[whichphilosophy]

Britain doesn't have proportional representation. If the UKIP was provided MPs on that basis it would have around 82 MPs and not 1. Further it did come second in a lot of places. It is not clear what crisis you are talking about since our main trading partner is the USA and Europe purchases a lot from the UK. I'm not sure Britain would vote to leave, but if it did, we wouldn't leave in one day. It could take years.

As you know, your American masters want you as a way into the EU for themselves, and I don't myself fancy our becoming a second Puerto Rico, which is the choice we have. Yes, it would take years of desperate attempts to make treaties, which would all evidently be failing within a few months. UKiP is just a cover for Sun readers and their half-wit relations, as you know. The electoral system is what people appear to want, God knows why.

A few European countries have already been heading towards a second Puerto Rico economy as Spain, Italy, Ireland and Greece's economies declined and became owned by the banks and controlled by unelected leaders in Brussels.
I think the treaties will work amicably because the EU needs the UK more than the UK needs Europe but the UK will benefit strongly from good relations with Europe.. Some have been filled with the wild obsessions of Europhilia would fail to see the benefits of leaving the Eu.

 

[whichphilosophy]

In a surprise move, Britain stays, but Scotland leaves EU.

And what is the deal with the poll choices. Does In agree with the question posed or does it mean Britain stays "in" the EU?

In the referendum, the Scots voted to stay in the UK yet overwhelmingly voted for pro independence parties in the general election. That's how the British vote. If Britain stays, then Scotland stays as it is owned by the UK since it couldn't leave even if the majority wanted to leave.

 

[iolo]

As you know, your American masters want you as a way into the EU for themselves, and I don't myself fancy our becoming a second Puerto Rico, which is the choice we have. Yes, it would take years of desperate attempts to make treaties, which would all evidently be failing within a few months. UKiP is just a cover for Sun readers and their half-wit relations, as you know. The electoral system is what people appear to want, God knows why.

A few European countries have already been heading towards a second Puerto Rico economy as Spain, Italy, Ireland and Greece's economies declined and became owned by the banks and controlled by unelected leaders in Brussels.
I think the treaties will work amicably because the EU needs the UK more than the UK needs Europe but the UK will benefit strongly from good relations with Europe.. Some have been filled with the wild obsessions of Europhilia would fail to see the benefits of leaving the Eu.

It is a question of who's in charge. As members of the EU we have a voice. If we leave we'll be, at best, a simple American puppet, and at worst a colony As you know, every member of the EU would have to agree treaties, and very few of them get any benefit out of trade with us. Since they won't want more nutters howling to leave, most of those countries have nothing to gain by pandering to the brexiteers and their fantasies.

 

[repoman]

Get out of the EU and then get proportional representation, riot on the streets if need be.

Why do you have to be a US puppet if out of the EU?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

In a surprise move, Britain stays, but Scotland leaves EU.

And what is the deal with the poll choices. Does In agree with the question posed or does it mean Britain stays "in" the EU?

In the referendum, the Scots voted to stay in the UK yet overwhelmingly voted for pro independence parties in the general election. That's how the British vote. If Britain stays, then Scotland stays as it is owned by the UK since it couldn't leave even if the majority wanted to leave.

That's why it'd be a "surprise". Geesh. Tough room.

 

[whichphilosophy]

A few European countries have already been heading towards a second Puerto Rico economy as Spain, Italy, Ireland and Greece's economies declined and became owned by the banks and controlled by unelected leaders in Brussels.
I think the treaties will work amicably because the EU needs the UK more than the UK needs Europe but the UK will benefit strongly from good relations with Europe.. Some have been filled with the wild obsessions of Europhilia would fail to see the benefits of leaving the Eu.

It is a question of who's in charge. As members of the EU we have a voice. If we leave we'll be, at best, a simple American puppet, and at worst a colony As you know, every member of the EU would have to agree treaties, and very few of them get any benefit out of trade with us. Since they won't want more nutters howling to leave, most of those countries have nothing to gain by pandering to the brexiteers and their fantasies.

Britain is already an American lickspittle on foreign policy so it couldn't get any worse. What voice, the unelected leaders of Brussels pull the strings while the MEPs speak as a form of entertainment when the sessions are broadcast. In the end the Europhiles will still want to do business.

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Get out of the EU and then get proportional representation, riot on the streets if need be.

Why do you have to be a US puppet if out of the EU?

The problem lies with previous Labour government (Blair) and recently with Cameron

 

[DrZoidberg]

In a surprise move, Britain stays, but Scotland leaves EU.

And what is the deal with the poll choices. Does In agree with the question posed or does it mean Britain stays "in" the EU?

It's not a poll about your opinion on what is best for the UK. It's a poll on what you think is the outcome of the vote

 

[Trausti]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTMxfAkxfQ0

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

In a surprise move, Britain stays, but Scotland leaves EU.

And what is the deal with the poll choices. Does In agree with the question posed or does it mean Britain stays "in" the EU?

It's not a poll about your opinion on what is best for the UK. It's a poll on what you think is the outcome of the vote

That doesn't address my question. The question is 'Will Britain leave?' The answers are In and Out. In could mean 'Yes they will leave', as in "I'm in" or it could be 'In" as in they "stay in".

 

[Trausti]

It is a question of who's in charge. As members of the EU we have a voice. If we leave we'll be, at best, a simple American puppet, and at worst a colony

Like Iceland, Norway, and Switzerland.

As you know, every member of the EU would have to agree treaties, and very few of them get any benefit out of trade with us. Since they won't want more nutters howling to leave, most of those countries have nothing to gain by pandering to the brexiteers and their fantasies.

Like Iceland, Norway, and Switzerland. And you don't need a treaty to trade with a country.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Like Iceland, Norway, and Switzerland.

As you know, every member of the EU would have to agree treaties, and very few of them get any benefit out of trade with us. Since they won't want more nutters howling to leave, most of those countries have nothing to gain by pandering to the brexiteers and their fantasies.

Like Iceland, Norway, and Switzerland. And you don't need a treaty to trade with a country.

They have trade agreements of course but they are doing very well.