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Unarmed white man killed by police in Oklahoma

 
 
 
repoman said:
If black, he could have been fodder for BLM.

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i like how you and derec and the other rightwing SJWs around here are acting like this is a good thing that legitimizes your racism.

if there was a deep rooted issue of racism in this country and cops were disproportionately targeting black people with lethal force, that would be a major problem and need to be addressed and corrected.
if there is an issue in this country of the police just not giving a fuck and using lethal force of whomever happens to be in front of them, that's actually worse in terms of a systemic problem with the police and for our society.

so what exactly is the point here?
because either:
A. yes, sometimes white people get killed too and that's fucked up, but ultimately a certain amount of lethal force incidents are going to be inevitable with a law-enforcement organization that is armed and quasi-military, but the number of police killings is disproportionately higher against black people.
or
B. there are actually an equal number of killings of other races, which make the police a government sanctioned murder machine and we should all be kind of freaking out right now.
 
prideandfall said:
if there was a deep rooted issue of racism in this country and cops were disproportionately targeting black people with lethal force,
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There is no "deep rooted issue of racism in this country" and cops are not disproportionally applying lethal force to black suspects. It is the media which almost exclusively focuses on blacks getting killed by police that are creating the illusion of that.
 
Derec said:
prideandfall said:
if there was a deep rooted issue of racism in this country and cops were disproportionately targeting black people with lethal force,
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There is no "deep rooted issue of racism in this country" and cops are not disproportionally applying lethal force to black suspects. It is the media which almost exclusively focuses on blacks getting killed by police that are creating the illusion of that.
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I'm a racist. I realize this. I see dark skinned people on the bus I ride every day, and I get irrational and insane perceptions being offered up by my mind of them being ridiculous ape people. I see some unearned perception of filth wreathing the sagged pants, and an unwarranted feeling of slime when some drunk African American has a stupid conversation.

I know that these feelings are entirely irrational. That these things I dislike are a product not of being black, but being poor and raised in a shitty culture. Even so, my mind has the unfortunate predisposition to see the taint of poverty and recklessness on anyone with dark skin. It's something I've fought with for years. Sure I can correct it whenever I see it rationally, but what about all the times I just Derp and don't notice until after I've already done or said something awful and undeserved?

So don't tell me for a moment there isn't a problem of racism in this country. I pride myself with my ability to disregard my feelings, but they are there, and I don't think they can ever not be there for humans; it's just too easy a leap for the intuititive mind to make.

I know you are a racist. So is everyone else. Any time there is a coincidental correlation between people who look a certain way and some detrimental element of culture, there will necessarily be feelings of racism.

Edit: the sad part of this is that the Bayesian mechanism that makes people intuit race rather than poverty as the element driving the things we see that we don't like is that even black people can end up racist from it in stunning ways, whether by being exposed to the 'zoo' and seeing poor people who happen to be black acting recklessly in an attempt to stop being poor (effort does little to help people who by default lack access to legal employment networking) or by becoming defensive of all the things that they learned when they were young about what it 'means to be black' and defending the very cultural elements people dislike and that, at any rate, they can't escape.
 
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Loren Pechtel said:
Nice Squirrel said:
Pretty much so. He was ramming them with his car. Although I'd still like the police to be less shooty.
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I was talking about using his hands to mimic a gun. That's a clear suicide-by-cop.
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This has got to be the most retarded argument I have heard on here. You are seriously saying that forming a fake gun with your thumb and index finger is suicide by cop. Just wow.
 
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
Loren Pechtel said:
I was talking about using his hands to mimic a gun. That's a clear suicide-by-cop.
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This has got to be the most retarded argument I have heard on here. You are seriously saying that forming a fake gun with your thumb and index finger is suicide by cop. Just wow.
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It is just proof that LP will say just about anything to defend a police officer's killing of a civilian.
 
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
Loren Pechtel said:
I was talking about using his hands to mimic a gun. That's a clear suicide-by-cop.
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This has got to be the most retarded argument I have heard on here. You are seriously saying that forming a fake gun with your thumb and index finger is suicide by cop. Just wow.
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The point is he was simulating a lethal threat. Why in the world would he do that other than to provoke the cop to shoot??
 
Loren Pechtel said:
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
This has got to be the most retarded argument I have heard on here. You are seriously saying that forming a fake gun with your thumb and index finger is suicide by cop. Just wow.
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The point is he was simulating a lethal threat. Why in the world would he do that other than to provoke the cop to shoot??
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To annoy or irritate or even threaten the police officer. Why in the world would any sane person think that would provoke any other sane human being to shoot a real firearm?
 
Wow, it's a good thing someone wasn't doing rabbit ears behind his head or Loren would be justifying hunters shooting him.
 
Derec said:
prideandfall said:
if there was a deep rooted issue of racism in this country and cops were disproportionately targeting black people with lethal force,
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There is no "deep rooted issue of racism in this country" and cops are not disproportionally applying lethal force to black suspects. It is the media which almost exclusively focuses on blacks getting killed by police that are creating the illusion of that.
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http://policingequity.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/CPE_SoJ_Race-Arrests-UoF_2016-07-08-1130.pdf
 
laughing dog said:
Loren Pechtel said:
The point is he was simulating a lethal threat. Why in the world would he do that other than to provoke the cop to shoot??
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To annoy or irritate or even threaten the police officer. Why in the world would any sane person think that would provoke any other sane human being to shoot a real firearm?
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If you threaten someone who is legally and physically able to shoot you wouldn't you expect them to do so???
 
Loren Pechtel said:
laughing dog said:
To annoy or irritate or even threaten the police officer. Why in the world would any sane person think that would provoke any other sane human being to shoot a real firearm?
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If you threaten someone who is legally and physically able to shoot you wouldn't you expect them to do so???
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Not by pointing a finger. It is fucking insane for someone to shoot a firearm at another person just for pointing a finger at them.
 
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