University of Minnesota Sexual Assault Case

[laughing dog]

Several people here will read that and conclude that they were correct all along, and that the university was wrong to suspend any of the players - even those these same people will STILL not have read the university's report to understand exactly what the university's conclusions were and exactly what the various players were actually suspended for. And none of these same people will give a furry rat's ass about the horrific events the girl was put through because, hey, she semi-sort-of agrees to fuck two guys at the same time so that obviously means 8 or more others are entitled to fuck her over her objections.

Apparently they were not suspended for actual sexual assault, because there is no evidence that ever happened.

Y I will bet anything you have no idea how many people "they" is, and that there is plenty of eye witness testimony to support that a sexual assault did happen - just not by everyone. But reading the report might require you to back off the rape apologia.

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Interesting how you lose your mind over this case, but at the same time defend Islamic rapefugees in Sverigestan being treated with kid gloves...

This is a blatant falsehood. The only people defending those rapists were their attorneys. A couple of people did point out that, once again, you engaged in a blatant mischaracterization of the court's rationale.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Several people here will read that and conclude that they were correct all along, and that the university was wrong to suspend any of the players - even those these same people will STILL not have read the university's report to understand exactly what the university's conclusions were and exactly what the various players were actually suspended for. And none of these same people will give a furry rat's ass about the horrific events the girl was put through because, hey, she semi-sort-of agrees to fuck two guys at the same time so that obviously means 8 or more others are entitled to fuck her over her objections.

Apparently they were not suspended for actual sexual assault, because there is no evidence that ever happened.

You are technically correct, they were expelled for just that, you would know if you read the report.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

And when did you quit beating your husband?


(You're assuming that the university report is 100% correct.)

What in the report can we assume to be incorrect? If there is a random typo should the report be judged to be untrustworthy?

(You're assuming that the university report is 100% correct.)

Spoken like a true rape apologist, especially since you are in no position to make any judgments due to your willful ignorance of the facts of the case.

And when did you quit beating your husband?


(You're assuming that the university report is 100% correct.)

He said no such thing. But if there is something inaccurate in the report, you need to read the report and find it. Go ahead, we will wait. In the meantime, you have nothing further to say of the topic.

And how am I supposed to find the problems? I don't have the ability to do an independent investigation of what happened.

Thus I am going on the report of the most credible investigators.

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(You're assuming that the university report is 100% correct.)

Spoken like a true rape apologist, especially since you are in no position to make any judgments due to your willful ignorance of the facts of the case.

The thing is we have two reports of the incident, one by professionals, one by amateurs.

That is literally false.

I'm much more inclined to trust the one made by the professionals.

Which professionals? We have two reports of the incident. One report is based on 90 seconds of video and a couple of interviews and concentrates of possible violations of the criminal code. The second report is includes the information in the first report plus interviews of many more witnesses and concentrates on violations of university policy and university codes of conduct. The OP is about the discipline by the University for violations of university policy and university codes of conduct. You refuse to read the relevant report (the second one) based on wishful thinking and an assumption about competence - an assumption that has been shown to be unwarranted in the case of the Minneapolis PD with links to recent cases. Which means you are commenting on a situation of which you are willfully and woefully ignorant.

One is an investigation by professionals. One is an investigation by amateurs.

Lacking the ability to independently check it I'm going with the best source available.

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The thing is we have two reports of the incident, one by professionals, one by amateurs [different professionals in a different capacity].

I'm much more inclined to trust the one made by the professionals.

How the fuck would you know? You didn't read the other report. If you did, you'd understand how incredibly stupid and nonsensical every one of your comments on this thread sound.

Go read the report or stfu

One group (the detectives) investigate crimes as basically their whole job and has a lot of training.

One group very rarely investigates a crime and has very little training.

Of course I consider the latter to be amateurs. They have neither the training nor the experience.

 

[laughing dog]

One is an investigation by professionals. One is an investigation by amateurs.

That is a blatant falsehood driven by ignorance and rape apologia.

 

[RavenSky]

Several people here will read that and conclude that they were correct all along, and that the university was wrong to suspend any of the players - even those these same people will STILL not have read the university's report to understand exactly what the university's conclusions were and exactly what the various players were actually suspended for. And none of these same people will give a furry rat's ass about the horrific events the girl was put through because, hey, she semi-sort-of agrees to fuck two guys at the same time so that obviously means 8 or more others are entitled to fuck her over her objections.

Apparently they [the first man and the one that was not even a student] were not suspended for actual sexual assault...

Well gee, Derec. How many fucking clues did it take before you finally got it? (Because I am quite certain you still haven't read the university's report.

Interesting how you lose your mind over this case, but at the same time defend Islamic rapefugees in Sverigestan being treated with kid gloves...

Your usual bullshit, Derec. I'd call your words for what they really are except that it is a violation of TOU.

 

[RavenSky]

What in the report can we assume to be incorrect? If there is a random typo should the report be judged to be untrustworthy?

(You're assuming that the university report is 100% correct.)

Spoken like a true rape apologist, especially since you are in no position to make any judgments due to your willful ignorance of the facts of the case.

And when did you quit beating your husband?


(You're assuming that the university report is 100% correct.)

He said no such thing. But if there is something inaccurate in the report, you need to read the report and find it. Go ahead, we will wait. In the meantime, you have nothing further to say of the topic.

And how am I supposed to find the problems? I don't have the ability to do an independent investigation of what happened.

Thus I am going on the report of the most credible investigators.

No you aren't. You are going with the one that confirms your preconceived bias and you are afraid to read the other one because you are afraid you will be confronted with facts that fuck up those preconceived biases of yours.

One group (the detectives) investigate crimes as basically their whole job and has a lot of training.

One group very rarely investigates a crime and has very little training.

Of course I consider the latter to be amateurs. They have neither the training nor the experience.

You are so very wrong, and you are scared to read the university's report.

 

[Derec]

Well gee, Derec. How many fucking clues did it take before you finally got it? (Because I am quite certain you still haven't read the university's report.

So you are ok with them being suspended/expelled on trifling charges because they don't have evidence of any serious ones?

Your usual bullshit, Derec. I'd call your words for what they really are except that it is a violation of TOU.

Nope. You are very concerned with alleged sexual assaults in the US even when there is no evidence it was assault but are ok with rapefugees not even getting deported.

 

[RavenSky]

So you are ok with them being suspended/expelled on trifling charges because they don't have evidence of any serious ones?

They were suspended on very very very serious violations of the university's conduct code. VERY serious violations. You would know this if you read the report.

as to the rest... You can make up all the bullshit you want, but everyone here knows you, and knows that you are spouting bullshit.

 

[Derec]

They were suspended on very very very serious violations of the university's conduct code. VERY serious violations. You would know this if you read the report.

Violations like underage drinking. Which is not only a trifle but the girl who cried rape was guilty of it as well I believe. Why should she get a pass?

as to the rest... You can make up all the bullshit you want, but everyone here knows you, and knows that you are spouting bullshit.

I just know that if these were not college athletes but rather Muslim "refugees" you'd be much more understanding.

 

[RavenSky]

Violations like underage drinking. Which is not only a trifle but the girl who cried rape was guilty of it as well I believe. Why should she get a pass?

Wrong. But since you are afraid to read the report, you are just spouting nonsense you have pulled out of your ass.

as to the rest... You can make up all the bullshit you want, but everyone here knows you, and knows that you are spouting bullshit.

I just know that if these were not college athletes but rather Muslim "refugees" you'd be much more understanding.

Wrong. But since you are trying (and failing) to annoy me, you are just spouting nonsense you have pulled out of your ass.

 

[Arctish]

So you are ok with them being suspended/expelled on trifling charges because they don't have evidence of any serious ones?

Jeez, Derec.

At least Loren is attempting to portray his willful ignorance as some sort of virtuous, high minded stance on professionalism. Is there any particular reason why you have not yet read the report, or are you still utterly uninformed for no reason at all?

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Violations like underage drinking. Which is not only a trifle but the girl who cried rape was guilty of it as well I believe. Why should she get a pass?

Actually, the report explicitly names sexual assault as the reason for four of the expulsions. You obvious never read the report, or have forgotten the chart that lays out the offenses.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Apparently they [the first man and the one that was not even a student] were not suspended for actual sexual assault...

I'm not sure what you mean by "first man", but it is awfully hard and pointless to suspend a non-student from a school they never attended.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Violations like underage drinking. Which is not only a trifle but the girl who cried rape was guilty of it as well I believe. Why should she get a pass?

Actually, the report explicitly names sexual assault as the reason for four of the expulsions. You obvious never read the report, or have forgotten the chart that lays out the offenses.

You mean the sexual "assault" that the police determined was consensual?

 

[Godless Raven]

Actually, the report explicitly names sexual assault as the reason for four of the expulsions. You obvious never read the report, or have forgotten the chart that lays out the offenses.

You mean the sexual "assault" that the police determined was consensual?

The police determined there wasn't enough evidence for charges. That is VERY different from saying they determined it was consensual.

WTF is wrong with your mind?

 

[Godless Raven]

Here are some statements. Derec, Loren, Malintent, anyone else...which do you believe are correct?

1. Unwanted sexual contact is assault.

2. A person decides whom they want to have sexual contact with for themselves.

3. Agreeing to have sex with a partner or multiple partners means a person has surrendered their right to #2 and #1 therefore no longer applies.

4. People that participate in promiscuous sexual activity can't really be raped the same way a person who does not participate in promiscuous sexual activity can. The same way prostitutes cannot really be raped.

5. If a person is in the middle of having sex with a person who has given full consent and they revoke that consent, is it rape if they finish?

 

[laughing dog]

So you are ok with them being suspended/expelled on trifling charges because they don't have evidence of any serious ones?

Since you have no read the report, your willfully ignorant judgments have no credibility.

Nope. You are very concerned with alleged sexual assaults in the US even when there is no evidence it was assault but are ok with rapefugees not even getting deported.

When you use terms like "rapefugees" your bigoted comments look even stupider.

 

[RavenSky]

Actually, the report explicitly names sexual assault as the reason for four of the expulsions. You obvious never read the report, or have forgotten the chart that lays out the offenses.

You mean the sexual "assault" that the police determined was consensual?

READ THE REPORT so that you don't keep making such stupid statements

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Actually, the report explicitly names sexual assault as the reason for four of the expulsions. You obvious never read the report, or have forgotten the chart that lays out the offenses.

You mean the sexual "assault" that the police determined was consensual?

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq-v1TTUyhM[/YOUTUBE]

 

[Loren Pechtel]

You mean the sexual "assault" that the police determined was consensual?

READ THE REPORT so that you don't keep making such stupid statements

Why should I read a report from a source I don't consider credible?