ACLU Wins - Federal Judge Just Issued A Stay Against Trump's Muslim Ban

[repoman]

I heard this is a real tweet, so not gonna bother checking it...

 

[Trausti]

The media's spin that this is some grand victory against Trump is a bit silly. Every person on US soil, whether a citizen or illegal, gets due process rights. That's why we have deportation proceedings. The limited reach of this injunction is for people who were on US soil when the executive order came into effect. Hence, do these people get a deportation proceeding? That's it. Trump's executive order prohibiting travelers from certain countries is entirely constitutional. The courts have no say whatsoever on foreign policy or how the US conducts business in foreign lands.

 

[fast]

When a curfew is ordered and you're told to stay the hell off the highway, conservatives understand that the liberal response that they have valid drives licenses is irrelevant. When a new law is introduced allowing water boarding on protesters that violate laws, there will be those bringing up first amendment irrelevancies. These people were told to stay the fuck away regardless of valid green cards, and for those that reminded us that ignorance of the law is no excuse, be reminded with a dish served just as cold. If you want to voice treasonous opposition, speak your mind, but break a law in defiance of our great president, may the next executive order bring tears.

[/Not sure what catch phrase belongs here]

 

[Trausti]

Vetting Muslims = bad. Banning Jews = okay.

 

[Jayjay]

Vetting Muslims = bad. Banning Jews = okay.

How is requiring a visa from Israeli citizens equivalent to "banning jews"?

Edited to add: Realized that you probably referred to the countries marked as "admission refused", and not the United States. Bu that just begs to question, how is it relevant to American immigration policies what e.g. Saudi Arabia does? Many of these countries including KSA aren't even on Trump's list.

 

[Axulus]

Vetting Muslims = bad. Banning Jews = okay.

We need to become more like these fascist theocratic shit holes? Brilliant plan.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

I like that the opinion you gave of the US is that they're almost at the level of the countries marked there. Way to reach for the stars, Yanks!

 

[repoman]

elect people like this then:

 

[Horatio Parker]

I'm wondering can he make to midterms.

He hasn't moderated one bit; he's as nutty as he was campaigning.

I wonder what rage this stay will inspire.

If I lived in Brooklyn, I'd be ready to duck and cover.

I'm in the Bronx(actually the part of the Bronx that's in Manhattan). Brooklyn is a schlepp.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Vetting Muslims = bad. Banning Jews = okay.

Changing the subject for political reasons = bad.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

The media's spin that this is some grand victory against Trump is a bit silly. Every person on US soil, whether a citizen or illegal, gets due process rights.

In theory, reality is more murky.

That's why we have deportation proceedings. The limited reach of this injunction is for people who were on US soil when the executive order came into effect. Hence, do these people get a deportation proceeding? That's it. Trump's executive order prohibiting travelers from certain countries is entirely constitutional. The courts have no say whatsoever on foreign policy or how the US conducts business in foreign lands.

Actually the courts do have a say.

 

[whichphilosophy]

In theory, reality is more murky.

That's why we have deportation proceedings. The limited reach of this injunction is for people who were on US soil when the executive order came into effect. Hence, do these people get a deportation proceeding? That's it. Trump's executive order prohibiting travelers from certain countries is entirely constitutional. The courts have no say whatsoever on foreign policy or how the US conducts business in foreign lands.

Actually the courts do have a say.

Laws and directives are effective either immediately (rare if at all) to a certain date.
Therefore I think that a challenge made by people with existing visas could have a good chance in court.
Likewise I don't see any legal ground to deport people who have already arrived in the USA legally by way of visa etc. This is unless the commit a deport worthy offence.

So I think the courts do have a say as the legal system in the US (derived from English Law) favours this.

 

[Horatio Parker]

Vetting Muslims = bad. Banning Jews = okay.

Great. Let's be just like them.

 

[repoman]

Not gonna buckle now...

 

[Jayjay]

Not gonna buckle now...

"Zero muslim armies, defend your ummah..."

If I was having a demonstration against the infidel, I'd ask for one or more armies and would be more specific about what it is that they are supposed to be defending instead of just muttering.

 

[Warpoet]

double post

 

[Warpoet]

Trump's executive order prohibiting travelers from certain countries is entirely constitutional. The courts have no say whatsoever on foreign policy or how the US conducts business in foreign lands.

No, it isn't, and yes, they do. The order is blatant religious discrimination, poorly disguised as part of some kind of "vetting" process. And the courts absolutely have the ability to strike it down for that reason, which they should.

But you already know exactly what the order is about, and that's why I'm sure you support it. After all, this fascistic orange shitbag said he was going to ban all Muslims, full stop, and you voted for him anyway, didn't you, Trausti?

 

[fast]

Trump's executive order prohibiting travelers from certain countries is entirely constitutional. The courts have no say whatsoever on foreign policy or how the US conducts business in foreign lands.

No, it isn't, and yes, they do. The order is blatant religious discrimination, poorly disguised as part of some kind of "vetting" process. And the courts absolutely have the ability to strike it down for that reason, which they should.

But you already know exactly what the order is about, and that's why I'm sure you support it. After all, this fascistic orange shitbag said he was going to ban all Muslims, full stop, and you voted for him anyway, didn't you, Trausti?

What do you mean, "full stop"? Religious discrimination is not at the heart of his intent. He recognizes the threat as in fact being apart of that group and wants to keep us safe from terrorism. Any discrimination is not manifested by bigotedness. I'm not saying this as a defense of Trumps actions; I'm just curious what you mean by "full stop."

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The media's spin that this is some grand victory against Trump is a bit silly. Every person on US soil, whether a citizen or illegal, gets due process rights. That's why we have deportation proceedings. The limited reach of this injunction is for people who were on US soil when the executive order came into effect. Hence, do these people get a deportation proceeding? That's it. Trump's executive order prohibiting travelers from certain countries is entirely constitutional. The courts have no say whatsoever on foreign policy or how the US conducts business in foreign lands.

The victims of this nonsense are not in the US, although some are permanent residents here.

 

[LordKiran]

No, it isn't, and yes, they do. The order is blatant religious discrimination, poorly disguised as part of some kind of "vetting" process. And the courts absolutely have the ability to strike it down for that reason, which they should.

But you already know exactly what the order is about, and that's why I'm sure you support it. After all, this fascistic orange shitbag said he was going to ban all Muslims, full stop, and you voted for him anyway, didn't you, Trausti?

What do you mean, "full stop"? Religious discrimination is not at the heart of his intent. He recognizes the threat as in fact being apart of that group and wants to keep us safe from terrorism. Any discrimination is not manifested by bigotedness. I'm not saying this as a defense of Trumps actions; I'm just curious what you mean by "full stop."

Full stop, period. As in "DJT wants to ban all muslims from entering the country, end of sentence." That is what "Full stop" means.

And just so we're clear, he did say that he is going to ban all Muslims from entering the country. Those are his words.