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Terrorist Attack in Canada

 
 
 
Ya, that's a terrorist attack and good job by the PM defining it as such regardless of who the perpetrators or victims are, as one might expect from some ... others.
 
Tom Sawyer said:
Ya, that's a terrorist attack and good job by the PM defining it as such regardless of who the perpetrators or victims are, as one might expect from some ... others.
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Do we know Steve Bannon's whereabouts?
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
Tom Sawyer said:
Ya, that's a terrorist attack and good job by the PM defining it as such regardless of who the perpetrators or victims are, as one might expect from some ... others.
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Do we know Steve Bannon's whereabouts?
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Ye, he's in the fucking White House. Thank you for reminding everybody and ruining all our days. :mad:
 
Yeah, now it looks like the Canadians rushed to judgement.

Now that we know the two gunmen shouted "allahu akhbar" before opening fire on a crowd it seems more like a case of workplace violence.
 
thebeave said:
dismal said:
Yeah, now it looks like the Canadians rushed to judgement.

Now that we know the two gunmen shouted "allahu akhbar" before opening fire on a crowd it seems more like a case of workplace violence.
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Maybe its self-loathing Muslims.
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Or Muslims who love themselves and feel that this mosque is too liberal. Or white supremacists who shouted it out ironically. Or any of a number of other things. The particular details of whatever brand of crazy they happen to be suffering from are largely irrelevant.
 
Tom Sawyer said:
thebeave said:
Maybe its self-loathing Muslims.
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Or Muslims who love themselves and feel that this mosque is too liberal. Or white supremacists who shouted it out ironically. Or any of a number of other things. The particular details of whatever brand of crazy they happen to be suffering from are largely irrelevant.
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Thanks Allah Moroccan guy was not a refugee, so 1 in 3.6 bill statistics is safe.
 
I don't understand how this was identified as a terrorist attack.

From the linked article:

the shooting at a Quebec City mosque during evening prayers that killed six people was an act of terrorism
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but then....

A motive has not been established. Mass shootings in Canada are relatively rare.
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Wait. How can an action be categorized as "terrorist" without knowledge of the motive?
 
dismal said:
Yeah, now it looks like the Canadians rushed to judgement.

Now that we know the two gunmen shouted "allahu akhbar" before opening fire on a crowd it seems more like a case of workplace violence.
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Postal carriers?
 
dismal said:
Yeah, now it looks like the Canadians rushed to judgement.

Now that we know the two gunmen shouted "allahu akhbar" before opening fire on a crowd it seems more like a case of workplace violence.
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That could easily have been said in mockery, especially given that at least one of the two suspects (Alexandre Bissonette) who said it is unlikely to be a big fan of Islam. How many devout Muslims that sincerely say "allahu akhbar" have Facebook likes including Trump, the far-right nationalist-front party in France, the Israel Defense Forces, and United with Israel?

If he is in fact a strong Israel supporting non-Muslim, then yelling "allahu akhbar" while murdering Muslims is just as way of saying "I am killing you for your religious beliefs".

The other suspect has an Arabic name (Mohamed Kadir), but reports suggest he may be a native of Quebec and a University student, so who knows what his personal politics or religious views are.

Whatever this turns out to be, "workplace violence" is among the least plausible explanations.

I wouldn't bet on it being "terrorism" in strict technical sense either.

One problem that leads to the loose use of the word "terrorism" is the lack of other terms for mass murders where the victims are not selected for any specific personal reason and connection to the shooter, as is the case with most murders. These guys could have been motivated by religious hatred and targeted random Muslims, but it still not be "terrorism" in the technical sense. Yet, it would have psychological underpinnings and implications for public safety and political climate that are much closer to terrorism than the 99% of murders.
 
Well, two people have been named, Alexandre Bissonnette and Mohamed el Khadir. One is a suspect, one is a witness.
 
ronburgundy said:
One problem that leads to the loose use of the word "terrorism" is the lack of other terms for mass murders where the victims are not selected for any specific personal reason and connection to the shooter, as is the case with most murders. These guys could have been motivated by religious hatred and targeted random Muslims, but it still not be "terrorism" in the technical sense. Yet, it would have psychological underpinnings and implications for public safety and political climate that are much closer to terrorism than the 99% of murders.
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Yes, "hate crime" would be a better descriptor, given the available information.
 
ronburgundy said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
Well, two people have been named, Alexandre Bissonnette and Mohamed el Khadir. One is a suspect, one is a witness.
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So, they release a witnesses name, but don't make it clear that person is only a witness? Wow, that is some reckless police work begging for a massive lawsuit.
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I would recommend calling Richard Jewel for lawyer advice.
 
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