2 year old shoots 1 year old brother dead

[Underseer]

http://www.newsweek.com/2-year-old-...-brother-accidental-shooting-123-child-843166

That reminds me: we need more guns in Republican households. So that they can have more freedom. I only say this because I want Republican families to have more freedom, and not because I think it will result in fewer Republican voters in the future. No sir, this is all about freedom.

 

[Speakpigeon]

Yeah, and anyway, more freedom could mean more freedom to kill those members of the family they disagree with as to which party to vote for.

Dystopia, anyone?
EB

 

[Lunawalk]

http://www.newsweek.com/2-year-old-...-brother-accidental-shooting-123-child-843166

That reminds me: we need more guns in Republican households. So that they can have more freedom. I only say this because I want Republican families to have more freedom, and not because I think it will result in fewer Republican voters in the future. No sir, this is all about freedom.

I feel so sad for the family. A young life cut short and his brother carrying a lifetime of guilt. But until the second amendment is abolished which is unlikely to happen soon. Since kids love to play with guns,they need to locked up in a safe.

 

[Jayjay]

Only thing that can stop a two-year old with a gun is a one-year old with a gun.

A two year old might thankfully be so young that he won't remember much from the incident. Unless everyone keeps reminding him, that is.

 

[fast]

Since kids love to play with guns,they need to locked up in a safe.

That's a bit excessive. Even I would consider that child abuse.

 

[Lunawalk]

Since kids love to play with guns,they need to locked up in a safe.

That's a bit excessive. Even I would consider that child abuse.

I just meant guns should be locked in safes. I know your joking but this is life and death. This is happening to kids across the country. I read a article about the gun culture they raised around and leave them lying around their homes. It no wonder these accidents happen in that environment. I think we should try to understand that culture instead of mocking it.

 

[Bronzeage]

Since kids love to play with guns,they need to locked up in a safe.

That's a bit excessive. Even I would consider that child abuse.

I just meant guns should be locked in safes. I know your joking but this is life and death. This is happening to kids across the country. I read a article about the gun culture they raised around and leave them lying around their homes. It no wonder these accidents happen in that environment. I think we should try to understand that culture instead of mocking it.

It's really not possible to discuss things like this, without making a joke, because it's really to horrible to consider.

Without knowing anything about the incident, beyond the title of the thread, I know that someone left a loaded gun within reach of a toddler. I also know that a gun which is not easily available when it is needed, is a worthless gun. Anyone who thinks they might need a gun(no judgment on this), is not going to have a useless gun.

This is the paradox. A useful gun is accessible to anyone who can reach it. We can blame the adults for negligence, but the true culprit is the need for a useful gun.

 

[dismal]

well, as long as the NRA insists that 2 year olds have access to loaded handguns to play with I don't see what we're going to do about this.

 

[Elixir]

well, as long as the NRA insists that 2 year olds have access to loaded handguns to play with I don't see what we're going to do about this.

Yeah - it's a real problem. We have to do what the NRA insists upon. But maybe, just maybe THAT is the fucking problem. Ya think?

 

[Underseer]

well, as long as the NRA insists that 2 year olds have access to loaded handguns to play with I don't see what we're going to do about this.

Yup!

Increasing the number of guns in Republican households will definitely not result in an increase in fatalities in those households. Anyone who says that they would is obviously a gun-grabbing liberal out to take away your freedom!

We must increase the number of Republican households with guns immediately! We should start a charity and send loaded weapons to any Republican households that doesn't already have a gun! It will make everyone safer and more free!

 

[dismal]

well, as long as the NRA insists that 2 year olds have access to loaded handguns to play with I don't see what we're going to do about this.

Yeah - it's a real problem. We have to do what the NRA insists upon. But maybe, just maybe THAT is the fucking problem. Ya think?

Yes, it's the old "slippery slope" argument they use. First we get laws against letting two year olds play with loaded handguns, before you know it there are laws banning two year olds from hunting with assault rifles.

 

[fast]

I am pro gun. That's the side I'm on.

However, if I have a child in my home, my weapon of choice is me.

I think having a gun is better than not, so I have them and will continue to.

I think the danger of an easily accessible gun to children is sufficiently riskier to warrant having a gun that is less accessible.

That increases the danger of not having it when needing it, but it decreases the danger of accidental shooting.

When weighing the pros and cons (with children involved), the advantages of a gun less accessible outweighs the disadvantages of not having it the moment it's needed.

Solution, don't have children.

 

[bilby]

There's nothing in the Bill of Rights that says people have the right to children. So imposing strict regulations on who is allowed to have children, for what purpose, and with what training and qualifications, and further imposing licensing and registration conditions, plus strict rules on the safe and secure storage of any licenced and registered children, would seem to be the obvious solution.

 

[Speakpigeon]

Yeah, especially in Republican households.

Oh, alright, make that as households with guns.

In France, we used to say "drink or drive, you have to choose". So, yes, guns or children, you have to choose.

Two problems solved with just one bullet.

It won't be fast, though.
EB

 

[Lunawalk]

I just meant guns should be locked in safes. I know your joking but this is life and death. This is happening to kids across the country. I read a article about the gun culture they raised around and leave them lying around their homes. It no wonder these accidents happen in that environment. I think we should try to understand that culture instead of mocking it.

It's really not possible to discuss things like this, without making a joke, because it's really to horrible to consider.

Without knowing anything about the incident, beyond the title of the thread, I know that someone left a loaded gun within reach of a toddler. I also know that a gun which is not easily available when it is needed, is a worthless gun. Anyone who thinks they might need a gun(no judgment on this), is not going to have a useless gun.

This is the paradox. A useful gun is accessible to anyone who can reach it. We can blame the adults for negligence, but the true culprit is the need for a useful gun.

Of course we don't know what happened but I am sure the family is devastated. To them this is no joke. but a tragic accident. Indents happen all the time all over the country. The kids saw a gun and think it a toy. If the adults are going to have guns in the home they need to be out of sight of they happen to see one they need gun education.

 

[Underseer]

I am pro gun. That's the side I'm on.

However, if I have a child in my home, my weapon of choice is me.

I think having a gun is better than not, so I have them and will continue to.

I think the danger of an easily accessible gun to children is sufficiently riskier to warrant having a gun that is less accessible.

That increases the danger of not having it when needing it, but it decreases the danger of accidental shooting.

When weighing the pros and cons (with children involved), the advantages of a gun less accessible outweighs the disadvantages of not having it the moment it's needed.

Solution, don't have children.

OMG, you're a liberal gun-grabber who hates our freedom! Why do you want to live in a totalitarian state?

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There's nothing in the Bill of Rights that says people have the right to children. So imposing strict regulations on who is allowed to have children, for what purpose, and with what training and qualifications, and further imposing licensing and registration conditions, plus strict rules on the safe and secure storage of any licenced and registered children, would seem to be the obvious solution.

These out of control parents are clearly a threat to our guns and our freedom!!!!!! [/Satire]

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well, as long as the NRA insists that 2 year olds have access to loaded handguns to play with I don't see what we're going to do about this.

Yeah - it's a real problem. We have to do what the NRA insists upon. But maybe, just maybe THAT is the fucking problem. Ya think?

Yes, it's the old "slippery slope" argument they use. First we get laws against letting two year olds play with loaded handguns, before you know it there are laws banning two year olds from hunting with assault rifles.

If we pass laws against 2 year olds with guns, then only 2 year old criminals will have guns.

Guns are not sentient, therefore it would be wrong to pass laws against 2 year olds with guns!

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Yeah, especially in Republican households.

Oh, alright, make that as households with guns.

In France, we used to say "drink or drive, you have to choose". So, yes, guns or children, you have to choose.

Two problems solved with just one bullet.

It won't be fast, though.
EB

Hush.

The more Republican households with both children and guns, the better off future generations of Americans will be. Because guns make those Republican children safer and more free, which guarantees we will have a next generation of Republican voters to protect our precious freedom.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

I have a set of Gunvaults. These have a keypad on top that I enter a coded sequence by touch and it pops open. I also have a large gun vault that means anything inside is locked up and unaccessible to anybody but me. It works well and allows immediate access to a gun. There are no children here, but it there were, guns would not be accessible to them. It keeps my weapons out of the hands of burglars also. There is no need to leave a gun accessible to children. There have been attempts made to mandate gun owners have a way to secure their weapons. These attempts always set the gun nutters off big time. Military grade stupid. Leaving a gun around where a small child can get at it is stupid. An accident waiting to happen. A gun in Mommy's purse and the purse where a child can reach it is stupid. A gun under a pillow is stupid.

 

[marc]

A gun in Mommy's purse and the purse where a child can reach it is stupid.

For example Mom fatally shot when son, 2, grabs gun from her purse in Walmart

A gun under a pillow is stupid.

of course, that would be uncomfortable. Should use a gun bed instead:

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[Bronzeage]

I just meant guns should be locked in safes. I know your joking but this is life and death. This is happening to kids across the country. I read a article about the gun culture they raised around and leave them lying around their homes. It no wonder these accidents happen in that environment. I think we should try to understand that culture instead of mocking it.

It's really not possible to discuss things like this, without making a joke, because it's really to horrible to consider.

Without knowing anything about the incident, beyond the title of the thread, I know that someone left a loaded gun within reach of a toddler. I also know that a gun which is not easily available when it is needed, is a worthless gun. Anyone who thinks they might need a gun(no judgment on this), is not going to have a useless gun.

This is the paradox. A useful gun is accessible to anyone who can reach it. We can blame the adults for negligence, but the true culprit is the need for a useful gun.

Of course we don't know what happened but I am sure the family is devastated. To them this is no joke. but a tragic accident. Indents happen all the time all over the country. The kids saw a gun and think it a toy. If the adults are going to have guns in the home they need to be out of sight of they happen to see one they need gun education.

Gun education? What on earth is that? Does an adult need a class to learn that guns should not be left within reach of a child?

The phrase "thought it was a toy" implies that a child would know to not pick up a real gun, and the cause of this devastating tragedy is a mistake in identity by a toddler. A toddler does not mistake something for a toy. A toddler thinks everything is a toy and if it can be picked up, it's a very convenient toy.

Now that we have established that fault lies with a two year old's faulty judgment, we can write this off as a case where the system malfunctioned, but it's not a system failure.

This brings me back to a point I have made, many times. The death of this child is not a tragedy. A tragedy is "an event causing great suffering, destruction, and distress, such as a serious accident, crime, or natural catastrophe." This is something people will avoid and do whatever necessary to prevent happening. The death of a one year old at the hands of a gun wielding two year old is as inevitable as rain, after the two year old picks up the gun.

 

[fast]

OMG, you're a liberal gun-grabber who hates our freedom! Why do you want to live in a totalitarian state?

Oh come on, that was yesterday's opinion puked out in a state of unwelcome soberness. I hadn't been drinking; please don't hold me to views expressed in such a state.

Truth is, what's important is a strong family unit where every member of a household should have easy and quick access to a multitude of firearms IN EVERY room of the house. True men might scoff at that but certainly not for reason pink ribbon wearing boys would hazard a guess at. See, all that "quick and easy access" shit is woman-downed sissy talk. Any member of a family (a real family with real blood running through their vains) will ALREADY be saddled to the gills with armament.

What I'm trying to say is each room needs to be equipped with ADDITIONAL weaponry BEYOND what they are already toting. Any family who has a young man that is not already comfortable and proficient with firing guns is just another wayward soul ready to be let loose in a world full of humans out to get him, and I firmly and quite squarely blame the parents.

Granted, two years old is a bit young to give ammunition to, but by two, they should already have mastered pulling the trigger and getting a sense of what true heroism in the making is all about.

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