Nearly 70% of rapes aren't reported. Republicans are showing you why

[phands]

For all those men out there who feel that women are protesting too much, you're flat-out wrong, and your denial is perpetuation the problem. The statistics are pretty horrible, and we men MUST step up for women, as I said in the other thread....

Donald Trump says that if Brett Kavanaugh really assaulted Christine Blasey Ford when she was 15 years old, surely she would have told her parents and they would have reported it to the police. Aside from being victim-blaming viciousness, this goes against basically everything we know about sexual assault survivors. According to statistics from the Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network, only 310 out of every 1,000 rapes are reported.


The women and girls (overwhelmingly so) who don’t report being raped have their reasons, starting with the criminal justice system: of the 310 out of 1,000 rapes reported to police, just 57 lead to arrests, 11 are referred to prosecutors, seven lead to felony convictions, and six lead to incarceration for the rapist. Rape victims report long-lasting consequences, including PTSD, suicidal thoughts, problems at work or school, drug use, and more.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...en-t-reported-Republicans-are-showing-you-why

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

But Lindsey Graham is investigating who betrayed the trust of Dr. Ford, so he clearly believes she is telling the truth.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

How do they know what percentage of any crime is reported, much less one about consent? If it isn't reported how do they know that it happened? How is this data compiled?

 

[phands]

How do they know what percentage of any crime is reported, much less one about consent? If it isn't reported how do they know that it happened? How is this data compiled?

Go do your own digging. Or are you scared of what you'll find that doesn't sit well with your preconceived biases?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

How do they know what percentage of any crime is reported, much less one about consent? If it isn't reported how do they know that it happened? How is this data compiled?

Probably using math and statistics.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

How do they know what percentage of any crime is reported, much less one about consent? If it isn't reported how do they know that it happened? How is this data compiled?

Probably using math and statistics.

But based on what? Projections from how long it takes people to report past incidents? Past incidents by repeatedly victimized people who finally come forward after multiple times being victimized? Calls to anonymous support lines? Messages on message boards? Feminist talking points? Thin air? How the data is compiled is an indicator of its accuracy.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

But Lindsey Graham is investigating who betrayed the trust of Dr. Ford, so he clearly believes she is telling the truth.

That appears to be accurate. Kavanaugh also said he believes Ford isn't being deceptive.

Who did out Ford? Is it true that she wanted to remain anonymous? Or is this just something Graham and Kavanaugh created out of whole cloth?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

How do they know what percentage of any crime is reported, much less one about consent? If it isn't reported how do they know that it happened? How is this data compiled?

Probably using math and statistics.

But based on what? Projections from how long it takes people to report past incidents? Past incidents by repeatedly victimized people who finally come forward after multiple times being victimized? Calls to anonymous support lines? Messages on message boards? Feminist talking points? Thin air? How the data is compiled is an indicator of its accuracy.

I'll fill in the gap seeing you don't apparently understand how links work.

Sexual violence is notoriously difficult to measure, and there is no single source of data that provides a complete picture of the crime. On RAINN’s website, we have tried to select the most reliable source of statistics for each topic. The primary data source we use is the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS), which is an annual study conducted by the Justice Department. To conduct NCVS, researchers interview tens of thousands of Americans each year to learn about crimes that they’ve experienced. Based on those interviews, the study provides estimates of the total number of crimes, including those that were not reported to police. While NCVS has a number of limitations (most importantly, children under age 12 are not included), overall, it is the most reliable source of crime statistics in the U.S.

Just in case paragraphs are also too complicated for you, I'll cut it up into bullet points.

• Annual study (yearly study) conducted by the Justice Department (people responsible for the enforcement of the law and administration of justice in the US)
• Researchers interview (ask questions) tens of thousands (10,000's) of Americans (people that live in the US) each year (1 revolution around the sun)
• Researchers ask about crimes suffered by those interviewed
• Study concludes crime statistics, including those not reported to police (unreported)

Need dumbed down more?

• People ask other people questions about crime
• Those people write report

Okay, in case that wasn't watered down enough. How about a meme?

I don't want this post to be mistaken as being pompous... because it is pompous, but I'm so fucking sick of JP's presumption of bias in every fucking thing that indicates liberals might be right.

 

[laughing dog]

How do they know what percentage of any crime is reported, much less one about consent? If it isn't reported how do they know that it happened? How is this data compiled?

Probably using math and statistics.

But based on what? Projections from how long it takes people to report past incidents? Past incidents by repeatedly victimized people who finally come forward after multiple times being victimized? Calls to anonymous support lines? Messages on message boards? Feminist talking points? Thin air? How the data is compiled is an indicator of its accuracy.

The OP has a link which contains links to the data which contains it sources. You could do your own homework (since it easily identified) instead of pretending to be a rape apologist.

 

[Toni]

But based on what? Projections from how long it takes people to report past incidents? Past incidents by repeatedly victimized people who finally come forward after multiple times being victimized? Calls to anonymous support lines? Messages on message boards? Feminist talking points? Thin air? How the data is compiled is an indicator of its accuracy.

The OP has a link which contains links to the data which contains it sources. You could do your own homework (since it easily identified) instead of pretending to be a rape apologist.

I don't think that Jolly is pretending anything.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

How do they know what percentage of any crime is reported, much less one about consent? If it isn't reported how do they know that it happened? How is this data compiled?

National Crime Victimization Survey.

I have no reason to think the numbers are wrong. The interpretation, however, leaves something to be desired. Prosecutors only bring charges when they think they can get a conviction. If there is no evidence and her story isn't clear enough they're not going to file. This is not a problem with the system, it's a problem with reality.

 

[Axulus]

For all those men out there who feel that women are protesting too much, you're flat-out wrong, and your denial is perpetuation the problem. The statistics are pretty horrible, and we men MUST step up for women, as I said in the other thread....

Donald Trump says that if Brett Kavanaugh really assaulted Christine Blasey Ford when she was 15 years old, surely she would have told her parents and they would have reported it to the police. Aside from being victim-blaming viciousness, this goes against basically everything we know about sexual assault survivors. According to statistics from the Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network, only 310 out of every 1,000 rapes are reported.


The women and girls (overwhelmingly so) who don’t report being raped have their reasons, starting with the criminal justice system: of the 310 out of 1,000 rapes reported to police, just 57 lead to arrests, 11 are referred to prosecutors, seven lead to felony convictions, and six lead to incarceration for the rapist. Rape victims report long-lasting consequences, including PTSD, suicidal thoughts, problems at work or school, drug use, and more.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...en-t-reported-Republicans-are-showing-you-why

On that data where 57 out of 310 rape reports lead to arrest and 11 lead to prosecutions, how does that compare to the stats for other types of violent crimes that are reported?

Also, serious question, is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt too high a legal standard for rape, a crime which often leaves very little evidence beyond witness statement of the victim? Should the legal standard be lowered?

 

[Trausti]

For all those men out there who feel that women are protesting too much, you're flat-out wrong, and your denial is perpetuation the problem. The statistics are pretty horrible, and we men MUST step up for women, as I said in the other thread....

Donald Trump says that if Brett Kavanaugh really assaulted Christine Blasey Ford when she was 15 years old, surely she would have told her parents and they would have reported it to the police. Aside from being victim-blaming viciousness, this goes against basically everything we know about sexual assault survivors. According to statistics from the Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network, only 310 out of every 1,000 rapes are reported.


The women and girls (overwhelmingly so) who don’t report being raped have their reasons, starting with the criminal justice system: of the 310 out of 1,000 rapes reported to police, just 57 lead to arrests, 11 are referred to prosecutors, seven lead to felony convictions, and six lead to incarceration for the rapist. Rape victims report long-lasting consequences, including PTSD, suicidal thoughts, problems at work or school, drug use, and more.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...en-t-reported-Republicans-are-showing-you-why

On that data where 57 out of 310 rape reports lead to arrest and 11 lead to prosecutions, how does that compare to the stats for other types of violent crimes that are reported?

Also, serious question, is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt too high a legal standard for rape, a crime which often leaves very little evidence beyond witness statement of the victim? Should the legal standard be lowered?

Nah.

Rape charges against 4 California dentists dismissed after video contradicts woman's story

LAS VEGAS (KSNV) — Four dentists from California, including three brothers, who faced rape charges for the alleged assault of a woman at the Wynn Las Vegas had all charges dismissed in court Monday.

Charged were Ali Badkoobehi and brothers Poria Edalat, Saman Edalat and Sina Edalat. The charges included sex assault, conspiracy to commit sex assault and first-degree kidnapping for the late July incident.

Prosecutors dropped all charges during a very brief hearing today before Las Vegas Justice Court Judge Eric Goodman.

"After a review of the facts of the case, it was clear that the allegations were completely fabricated," lawyer Robert Draskovich, who represented Badkoobehi, said in a prepared statement. "The (video) evidence confirmed the men's innocence, and the state has cleared them of all charges."

 

[phands]

On that data where 57 out of 310 rape reports lead to arrest and 11 lead to prosecutions, how does that compare to the stats for other types of violent crimes that are reported?

Also, serious question, is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt too high a legal standard for rape, a crime which often leaves very little evidence beyond witness statement of the victim? Should the legal standard be lowered?

I think that the first step should be to properly and completely investigate ALL the accusations without victim-shaming/blaming....that would be a big impactor. It would also have the effect of causing more reporting at the time. As to reasonable doubt, I would be uncomfortable with lowering the burden of proof, but IANAL.
I believe that rape prosecution stats are far worse than for most other crimes, but I don't have research handy.

 

[ruby sparks]

How do they know what percentage of any crime is reported, much less one about consent? If it isn't reported how do they know that it happened? How is this data compiled?

Go do your own digging. Or are you scared of what you'll find that doesn't sit well with your preconceived biases?

Modus Operandi in Jollypenguinland: query data that suggests stuff you don't like to hear. Don't query data that suggests stuff you do like to hear.
(source: posting pattern observed since I joined this forum).

 

[ruby sparks]

How do they know what percentage of any crime is reported, much less one about consent? If it isn't reported how do they know that it happened? How is this data compiled?

National Crime Victimization Survey.

I have no reason to think the numbers are wrong. The interpretation, however, leaves something to be desired. Prosecutors only bring charges when they think they can get a conviction. If there is no evidence and her story isn't clear enough they're not going to file. This is not a problem with the system, it's a problem with reality.

Yes, this is an acknowledged problem with this particular crime. And maybe I'm naive, but I think that prosecutors are very keen to improve the conviction rate, partly because of wanting to respond to pressure from various sources, not least increasingly adverse publicity and outcry.

Also, serious question, is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt too high a legal standard for rape, a crime which often leaves very little evidence beyond witness statement of the victim? Should the legal standard be lowered?

No, I don't think the standard should be lowered.

ETA: I read that in the UK, numbers of convictions are falling, despite a sharp increase in reports of rape. One explanation offered is that the Crime Prosecution Service has wanted 'weak cases' to be dropped, in an effort, it would seem, to improve the percentages of convictions (when prosecuted).

 

[Tom Sawyer]

ETA: I read that in the UK, numbers of convictions are falling, despite a sharp increase in reports of rape. One explanation offered is that the Crime Prosecution Service has wanted 'weak cases' to be dropped, in an effort, it would seem, to improve the percentages of convictions (when prosecuted).

Well, that's good. If the Crown has a weak case, they should drop it. Prosecutorial resources are limited, so their time is better spent getting the criminals they can off the street as opposed to letting more criminals slip through the cracks because they're busy going after longer shots.

 

[laughing dog]

How do they know what percentage of any crime is reported, much less one about consent? If it isn't reported how do they know that it happened? How is this data compiled?

National Crime Victimization Survey.

I have no reason to think the numbers are wrong. The interpretation, however, leaves something to be desired. Prosecutors only bring charges when they think they can get a conviction. If there is no evidence and her story isn't clear enough they're not going to file. This is not a problem with the system, it's a problem with reality.

That reality is partially the result of human construction. The quality of rape investigations is spotty. The resources devoted to thoroughly investigating rape cases are insufficient in many jurisdictions. In some places there are literally thousands of untests rape kits. So this reality can be changed to some degree.

 

[James Madison]

For all those men out there who feel that women are protesting too much, you're flat-out wrong, and your denial is perpetuation the problem. The statistics are pretty horrible, and we men MUST step up for women, as I said in the other thread....

Donald Trump says that if Brett Kavanaugh really assaulted Christine Blasey Ford when she was 15 years old, surely she would have told her parents and they would have reported it to the police. Aside from being victim-blaming viciousness, this goes against basically everything we know about sexual assault survivors. According to statistics from the Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network, only 310 out of every 1,000 rapes are reported.


The women and girls (overwhelmingly so) who don’t report being raped have their reasons, starting with the criminal justice system: of the 310 out of 1,000 rapes reported to police, just 57 lead to arrests, 11 are referred to prosecutors, seven lead to felony convictions, and six lead to incarceration for the rapist. Rape victims report long-lasting consequences, including PTSD, suicidal thoughts, problems at work or school, drug use, and more.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...en-t-reported-Republicans-are-showing-you-why

Eh...the article does not establish Republicans are "showing-you-why" nearly 70 percent of rapes are not reported. I do agree with the article's statement that the treatment of rape cases in the criminal justice system is a factor.

 

[James Madison]

For all those men out there who feel that women are protesting too much, you're flat-out wrong, and your denial is perpetuation the problem. The statistics are pretty horrible, and we men MUST step up for women, as I said in the other thread....

Donald Trump says that if Brett Kavanaugh really assaulted Christine Blasey Ford when she was 15 years old, surely she would have told her parents and they would have reported it to the police. Aside from being victim-blaming viciousness, this goes against basically everything we know about sexual assault survivors. According to statistics from the Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network, only 310 out of every 1,000 rapes are reported.


The women and girls (overwhelmingly so) who don’t report being raped have their reasons, starting with the criminal justice system: of the 310 out of 1,000 rapes reported to police, just 57 lead to arrests, 11 are referred to prosecutors, seven lead to felony convictions, and six lead to incarceration for the rapist. Rape victims report long-lasting consequences, including PTSD, suicidal thoughts, problems at work or school, drug use, and more.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...en-t-reported-Republicans-are-showing-you-why

On that data where 57 out of 310 rape reports lead to arrest and 11 lead to prosecutions, how does that compare to the stats for other types of violent crimes that are reported?

Also, serious question, is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt too high a legal standard for rape, a crime which often leaves very little evidence beyond witness statement of the victim? Should the legal standard be lowered?

The legal standard cannot likely be lawfully lowered, as this would implicate due process and equal protection. In addition, I am not sure dilution of the criminal standard of beyond a reasonable doubt is wise, as there is an increased of convicting and incarcerating people innocent of the rape accusations.