Men are cucks to powerful men

[Angry Floof]

I've said this for a long time, that men are much more likely to suck up to powerful men and bullies than to stand up to them.

Men Who Feast On Women
Jeffery Epstein is a special kind of sexual predator⁠ — rich, powerful, friends with Presidents

You see, the most common plot in human history, the story told over and over again, repeating through the centuries, is simple enough: wealthy, powerful men fuck whoever they want. They take whatever they want, as much as they want, and laugh while doing it. They feast, above it all.

And down below, male voices cheer. There are men and always have been men, who are more than content to show their belly to power. It is true that absolute power corrupts, but the smell of power, like roasting pig, intoxicates, which is why they so eager to roll over. If you inhale a great stench with enough force, a hint of flavor fills the mouth. Even now, across social media, there are men defending Jeffery Epstein, and they do so for a variety of reasons. First, and foremost, they defend him because his fall could harm their preferred political team. Others stand up for Epstein because of instinct, generations of men watching the backs of other men.

The world is up to its elbows in rotten, predatory patriarchy because males are weak, not because they are strong. Physical aggression and displays of wealth and power are compensatory and not reflective of what is truly strong and valuable in human nature.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

I just asked my boss about this and he says it's not a problem, so I disagree with you.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

I've said this for a long time, that men are much more likely to suck up to powerful men and bullies than to stand up to them.

And you think that is because they are men, as opposed to say women, who would never do such a thing? Or could it simply be human nature and not about gender? Maybe its even false? Hmmm

But any opportunity to hate on men is a good one right?

 

[Angry Floof]

I've said this for a long time, that men are much more likely to suck up to powerful men and bullies than to stand up to them.

And you think that is because they are men, as opposed to say women, who would never do such a thing? Or could it simply be human nature and not about gender? Maybe its even false? Hmmm

But any opportunity to hate on men is a good one right?

You wouldn't notice, I'm sure, but women are aware of how few men stand up to other men and who say and do nothing even when surrounded by injustice. As long as the injustice is not toward men themselves, few men will do anything but look the other way.

Because they can. Who wants to step into a conflict with another man who might be violent when they can get away with just walking by? Very few. Hard to see that, I'm sure, when you yourself don't bear the consequences of it.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

I've said this for a long time, that men are much more likely to suck up to powerful men and bullies than to stand up to them.

And you think that is because they are men, as opposed to say women, who would never do such a thing? Or could it simply be human nature and not about gender? Maybe its even false? Hmmm

But any opportunity to hate on men is a good one right?

You wouldn't notice, I'm sure, but women are aware of how few men stand up to other men and who say and do nothing even when surrounded by injustice. As long as the injustice is not toward men themselves, few men will do anything but look the other way.

Because they can. Who wants to step into a conflict with another man who might be violent when they can get away with just walking by? Very few. Hard to see that, I'm sure, when you yourself don't bear the consequences of it.

I think the point was asking what gender has to do with that. This is a human thing, not a man thing. Women look the other way, too.

 

[Angry Floof]

You wouldn't notice, I'm sure, but women are aware of how few men stand up to other men and who say and do nothing even when surrounded by injustice. As long as the injustice is not toward men themselves, few men will do anything but look the other way.

Because they can. Who wants to step into a conflict with another man who might be violent when they can get away with just walking by? Very few. Hard to see that, I'm sure, when you yourself don't bear the consequences of it.

I think the point was asking what gender has to do with that. This is a human thing, not a man thing. Women look the other way, too.

No, society is not built to please women. Some women may also contribute to this state of affairs, but it is absolutely a gender thing.

Women know damn well what men get away with, and it's not because women are the powerful ones letting them by building a society for the pleasure and privilege of men.

And I'll bet neither of you has even read the article.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

More sexist generalizations of half the population of the earth. Ya, that's what will fix everything. Men bad. Boo men.

 

[Angry Floof]

More sexist generalizations of half the population of the earth. Ya, that's what will fix everything. Men bad. Boo men.

Brilliant comeback! And you still didn't read the article.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

More sexist generalizations of half the population of the earth. Ya, that's what will fix everything. Men bad. Boo men.

Brilliant comeback! And you still didn't read the article.

Thank you. Though there isn't much of response needed when all you are doing is broad based gender bashing.

There is an irony in how you so often engage in that gender bashing while accusing others of misogyny.

 

[Arctish]

You wouldn't notice, I'm sure, but women are aware of how few men stand up to other men and who say and do nothing even when surrounded by injustice. As long as the injustice is not toward men themselves, few men will do anything but look the other way.

Because they can. Who wants to step into a conflict with another man who might be violent when they can get away with just walking by? Very few. Hard to see that, I'm sure, when you yourself don't bear the consequences of it.

I think the point was asking what gender has to do with that. This is a human thing, not a man thing. Women look the other way, too.

I can't think of a single instance of women preying on underage kids in an organized fashion like the men of the FLDS church providing young girls to higher status men, or covering up for female sexual predators the way men covered for Jeffrey Epstein, R. Kelly, Jerry Sandusky, Jimmy Savile, Roy Moore, etc.

Sure, the people doing the covering up aren't always men. Camille Cosby covered up the transgressions of her husband Bill for decades, and is still trying to bury the skeletons in his closet. But in most if not all cases, high profile sexual predators are men and the ones best positioned to hold them accountable are also men, who fail to do so all too often.

How many people spoke openly about Harvey Weinstein's sexual assaults before the issue got any traction? How often did men who know Epstein talk about his preference for underage girls with a wink and a smile? Was it just coincidence that Weinstein, Cosby, Kelly, and Epstein were brought to bay by men finally taking a stand with the victims?

It really is a gender thing.

 

[Angry Floof]

More sexist generalizations of half the population of the earth. Ya, that's what will fix everything. Men bad. Boo men.

Brilliant comeback! And you still didn't read the article.

Thank you. Though there isn't much of response needed when all you are doing is broad based gender bashing.

There is an irony in how you so often engage in that gender bashing while accusing others of misogyny.

There is an irony in how you so often, well, always, ignore mountains of injustice and abuse and redirect back to some pathetic, "No, YOU" argument.

I mean, we get that you suck up to power and only pay lip service to holding power accountable while attacking the powerless, the vulnerable, the victims. We get that you value authority over human beings. You don't have to keep endlessly proving it.

Now how about posting on the actual topic instead of your usual goading and personal comments right out of the fucking gate? Either that or get out of the fucking thread.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Do you even notice how you opened a thread for the express purpose of hating on men (and not a particular man but men generally), and then accused me of goading and personally attacking you while you goaded and personally attacked me with groundless slander, or does that fly right over your head?

And did you notice in your rush to attack me that I actually did address the topic and that Tom had to explain to you what I wrote after you ignored it in favour of such attack?

But ya ok, I am male so I must be the aggressive none who is goading etc. Go you.

Seriously, what do you expect people to write when you start openly sexist threads to gender bash? Guys to, ironically given the topic, roll over and bow down to your hatred?

 

[laughing dog]

I've said this for a long time, that men are much more likely to suck up to powerful men and bullies than to stand up to them.

And you think that is because they are men, as opposed to say women, who would never do such a thing? Or could it simply be human nature and not about gender? Maybe its even false? Hmmm

Arctish's post supports the OP with some fact-based excellent points. How about supporting your claim in the same fashion? Otherwise it appears to be just another kneejerk dismissal of a claim made by a woman.

 

[Angry Floof]

Talking about men in general is not talking about you personally. Do you not understand the IMpersonal nature of culture?

You are not personally responsible for the fact that you and everyone else is a product of our environment.

You are not personally responsible for the fact that our society is deeply sexist still. Even if you are personally sexist, you personally do not make our whole society that way. But even if you are not personally sexist, you do personally contribute to the sexist undercurrent of our culture by ignoring your privilege.

Granted, cultural privilege is by nature invisible to the privileged. You don't constantly run into obstacles due to your having a penis. Your options in life are not diminished by being male, and it's not having options that hurts, and stuff that hurts gets noticed. When you're not constantly hurt by life tossing up obstacles due to your skin color or your genitals or your sexual orientation and life is not constantly throwing discriminatory and degrading messages at people of your skin color or genitals or sexual orientation, you're not likely going to notice how much it happens to other people.

It's very easy for you to go about your business unimpeded without having to care about any of this or even notice it. You are a product of your culture.

By the way, one thing that a lot of men and white people don't seem to realize is that when you don't have to deal with the consequences of your own privilege, it kind of leaves you at a disadvantage in that you haven't been strengthened or your awareness honed by pain and necessity of being on the other side of that privilege. Men in our society have no natural defense against the kind of fight and effort that women and people of color are rising to at this time in our history. The only defense they've got, really, is violence and injustice. I mean adapting is always an option as well, but only the smart ones are up to that. It requires honest self reflection and humility. Who knows how it will all turn out.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Talking about men in general is not talking about you personally.

Indeed, when you attack me personally it's less bad, because you are maybe doing it out of personal spite and not bigotry against a gender.

contribute to the sexist undercurrent of our culture by ignoring your privilege.

I am quite aware of my privilege. I would wager heavily that I am more aware of my privilege than you are of yours.

Granted, cultural privilege is by nature invisible to the privileged.

Not to everyone, no, that isn't true. Some people are quite aware of their privileges. Have you ever lived in a third world country? Doing so may open your eyes quickly.

You don't constantly run into obstacles due to your having a penis.

It happens now and then. There are legit MRA issues, despite MRAs being constantly villified and accused of being misogynist.

When you're not constantly hurt by life tossing up obstacles due to your skin color or your genitals or your sexual orientation and life is not constantly throwing discriminatory and degrading messages at people of your skin color or genitals or sexual orientation, you're not likely going to notice how much it happens to other people.

I am brown and bi. I have experienced plenty of obstacles based on my race and sexual orientation, and yes, occasionally a few based on my gender.

It's very easy for you to go about your business unimpeded without having to care about any of this or even notice it. You are a product of your culture.

I am a product or multiple cultures.

 

[Metaphor]

Talking about men in general is not talking about you personally. Do you not understand the IMpersonal nature of culture?

This argument would never be accepted were it men describing women's cultures. If men described an attitude of 'gold digging' among women, no woman would accept 'if you're not a gold digger, we're not talking about you, so calm down'.

You are not personally responsible for the fact that our society is deeply sexist still.

It's true. We live in a society that absolutely does not care about boys and young men. We live in a society where men's pain is scoffed at, is openly mocked, by feminists. We live in a society that so routinely and thoughtlessly imposes on men physically and mentally, they kill themselves at four times the rate women do. We live in a society that does not give a shit about the homeless, until an article appears calling older women the 'hidden' homeless.

Granted, cultural privilege is by nature invisible to the privileged. You don't constantly run into obstacles due to your having a penis.

Tell me, is being told 'you have no place in discussing women's safety, as a man' not an obstacle imposed due to my being a man?

Your options in life are not diminished by being male,

Literally from birth, men's options are constrained, starting with the option to have unmutilated genitals.

The only defense they've got, really, is violence and injustice. I mean adapting is always an option as well, but only the smart ones are up to that. It requires honest self reflection and humility. Who knows how it will all turn out.

I reckon you really ought give lesbian separatism a try. I know it didn't work in the 1970s, but that's probably because there were not enough women who sufficiently hated men to pull it off. And yes, most of the women who hated men were heterosexual, but surely you can get past that.

 

[laughing dog]

I am a man. I read the OP and I read the link. I did not feel attacked personally because no one used me or my name or said "all men".