Heart Breaking Video of Men Doing Ship-Breaking Jobs. What do the Feminists on this board think?

[ruby sparks]

We are just not progressive in the way of , "Everything is sexist, racist, and the fault of male privilege in the patriarchy!"
Fox News had a liberal on who was arguing that math is racist. This is looney tunes.

I agree that PC and woke can go too far (that said, there may be ways in which maths might have a slight racist aspect, depending, I don't know because I haven't studied the claim).

But, many liberals would not say such things. So you can't reasonably equate liberal with that.

 

[Keith&Co.]

What are your thoughts on this?

Men don't have a monopoly on privileges. Traditionally women have had quite a few, and still do, especially in some societies. Generally and historically not having to do or being expected to do very dirty and/or dangerous jobs in order to make money (often to support a family) is one type of female privilege.

Those are my thoughts. I haven't read the whole thread so maybe someone else has made the same point.

At least you admit it. There was a study done recently that showed conservative women are happier than liberal women. Probably has to do with the fact that raising a family is more rewarding than working long hours.

A study? Or a survey?
Or youtube comments?
Links?

 

[Keith&Co.]

Sure, here you go:

https://pluralist.com/conservative-wives-happier-than-feminists-ny-times/

Notice the picture of the feminist man at the top of the page.

Thanks. If, say, the findings of that study are accurate and reflect a general truth, then I would be good with that. I would only want women who prefer otherwise to also be free to choose not to be conservative, also without criticism or pressure.

Interesting to note that progressive men seem to be happier than conservative men, according to that. Are you a conservative man? If so, have you considered that on average your chances of being happier if you were more progressive might be higher? Though I would say the same thing again as above. If you personally are happier being conservative in gender terms, great.

I do, by the way, agree that sometimes, some feminists criticise conservative women unfairly. Ideally, it would be a free choice.

Conservatives are progressive. We are just not progressive in the way of , "Everything is sexist, racist, and the fault of male privilege in the patriarchy!"

then what do you mean by the word 'progressive?'

 

[Half-Life]

Conservatives are progressive. We are just not progressive in the way of , "Everything is sexist, racist, and the fault of male privilege in the patriarchy!"

then what do you mean by the word 'progressive?'

Conservatives agree with women working. We agree (with few exceptions) with gay rights. We just don't want to call everything sexist and racist. That's stupid.

For example, we want blacks to be able to vote for anybody they want. But, when a black person votes for a conservative, leftists call them "Uncle Tom" or "race traitor" or "stick with your own kind." This is ironic coming from leftists who say race doesn't matter, yet they constantly try to keep blacks as a hive mind voting Democrat.

We also don't agree with progressives that certain races should get special treatment just for being a certain race.

 

[ZiprHead]

We also don't agree with progressives that certain races should get special treatment just for being a certain race.

Steven Miller and Donald Trump would disagree with you.

 

[Half-Life]

We also don't agree with progressives that certain races should get special treatment just for being a certain race.

Steven Miller and Donald Trump would disagree with you.

I don't see Trump advocating anything against blacks. Black unemployment is at the lowest point in history.

Besides, Louis Farrakhan is a Democrat and he's a bigoted black supremacist. Does this mean everyone will abandon the Democrat party because they have Farrakhan in it? Of course not.

 

[ZiprHead]

We also don't agree with progressives that certain races should get special treatment just for being a certain race.

Steven Miller and Donald Trump would disagree with you.

I don't see Trump advocating anything against blacks. Black unemployment is at the lowest point in history.

Besides, Louis Farrakhan is a Democrat and he's a bigoted black supremacist. Does this mean everyone will abandon the Democrat party because they have Farrakhan in it? Of course not.

You think that black people are the only race.

 

[Half-Life]

I don't see Trump advocating anything against blacks. Black unemployment is at the lowest point in history.

Besides, Louis Farrakhan is a Democrat and he's a bigoted black supremacist. Does this mean everyone will abandon the Democrat party because they have Farrakhan in it? Of course not.

You think that black people are the only race.

I've heard "Race is a social construct. It means nothing," by leftists. Then if they vote conservative they say, "Why do they hate their own people?"

But if race is a social construct, then black people are not a "different kind of people." They are just as much white people's people as they are Asian people's people. This is where leftists end up going mask off. They say race is a social construct while maintaining that "black people should stick to their own kind."

I suppose it would be like asking, "Why don't blue eyed people just stick with blue eyed people?" Pretty insulting, right?

 

[Keith&Co.]

Conservatives are progressive. We are just not progressive in the way of , "Everything is sexist, racist, and the fault of male privilege in the patriarchy!"

then what do you mean by the word 'progressive?'

Conservatives agree with women working. We agree (with few exceptions) with gay rights. We just don't want to call everything sexist and racist. That's stupid.

For example, we want blacks to be able to vote for anybody they want. But, when a black person votes for a conservative, leftists call them "Uncle Tom" or "race traitor" or "stick with your own kind." This is ironic coming from leftists who say race doesn't matter, yet they constantly try to keep blacks as a hive mind voting Democrat.

We also don't agree with progressives that certain races should get special treatment just for being a certain race.

I asked you to define a word, you give examples.
Do you never English?

 

[Patooka]

We also don't agree with progressives that certain races should get special treatment just for being a certain race.

Steven Miller and Donald Trump would disagree with you.

I don't see Trump advocating anything against blacks. Black unemployment is at the lowest point in history.

Besides, Louis Farrakhan is a Democrat and he's a bigoted black supremacist. Does this mean everyone will abandon the Democrat party because they have Farrakhan in it? Of course not.

You know that's exactly what you do, right? You find some random anonymous person off youtube, then equate what they say with the entire left.

All.
The.
Fucking.
Time.

 

[zorq]

Why aren't the women there fighting to work alongside their husbands in the shipyard? Maybe these specific women believe that only men can do jobs like these? But, this wold be sexist.

One thing's for sure, there is no male privilege in Bangladesh.

What makes you think there aren't any women who want to work alongside the men? Is it possible that they exist but are blocked for sexist reasons? Your video doesn't show what you think it shows. Your whole argument is senseless.

 

[Rhea]

I must have missed the evidence that women were denied being hired due to their gender. Without that OP is an example of ideslogically driven poor reasoning,

How many women did you see breaking the ship apart in the video I posted?

I counted a big goose egg.

Interestingly, the same number of white men. Those lazy hypocritical bastards.

 

[Rhea]

What are your thoughts on this?

Men don't have a monopoly on privileges. Traditionally women have had quite a few, and still do, especially in some societies. Generally and historically not having to do or being expected to do very dirty and/or dangerous jobs in order to make money (often to support a family) is one type of WHITE female privilege.

Those are my thoughts. I haven't read the whole thread so maybe someone else has made the same point.

FIFY

Black women have been doing shitty dirty backbreaking jobs in the US for centuries.

 

[ruby sparks]

What are your thoughts on this?

Men don't have a monopoly on privileges. Traditionally women have had quite a few, and still do, especially in some societies. Generally and historically not having to do or being expected to do very dirty and/or dangerous jobs in order to make money (often to support a family) is one type of WHITE female privilege.

Those are my thoughts. I haven't read the whole thread so maybe someone else has made the same point.

FIFY

Black women have been doing shitty dirty backbreaking jobs in the US for centuries.

Even though that's a fair point, and a worthwhile distinction, what I initially said in that post still remains true, that men don't have a monopoly on privileges, that women have and have had privileges that men don't and didn't. Even black women were not, for example, routinely conscripted to go and shoot people and be shot at, for example, and dangerous doesn't come much more dangerous than that.

And it might be mentioned that the early feminists handed out white feathers of cowardice to men who wouldn't do it, or to be exact, men they thought wouldn't or didn't do it, since they sometimes accidentally gave white feathers to returning soldiers.

My grandad was sent, as a very young man, to the front in WW1 (he was at The Somme) and survived, quite a bit fucked up for the rest of his life because of the experience.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Ah, but the feminists will tell you female privilege is patriarchy. So it's still men's fault. Boo men.

 

[Gun Nut]

You are asking why US women are not fighting to get work in Sri Lanka / India? I think India has laws about allowing foreigners to take work there... ironically. Male or female alike cannot just decide to move to India and work anywhere they want.

What women were fighting for in the 1960's was the right to choose to work in jobs that were considered "men's work" without being discriminated against. This type of job inclusive. Just because they CAN does not mean that they SHOULD want to.. it's the principle of equality that is undermined by the idea that IF they wanted to do that job they would be "allowed" to.
I don't want to be a nurse, or a secretary, or a typist, or a maid, or a waitress.. or any other job that historically was considered "women's work". It's not in my skillset or interest. But if I wanted to, I should not be discriminated against for choosing such a career.
Women in India have bigger problems than achieving complete equality in all industries.. like.. getting any equality in anything might be a good start for them over there.
Over here, women wanted to be "allowed" to succeed as doctors and lawyers and other things... being a ship-breaker was pretty far down the list and still is. Maybe coal miner would be a better comparison? How about the "mountain-mammas" of west virginia.. they tough enough to shipbreak for ya? https://www.100daysinappalachia.com/2017/02/miner-matriarch-coal-mining-women-west-virginia/

I never said they can't do these jobs, just that they never seem to want to do the tough work. Those mountain mama's you posted are all well and good, but I guarantee they laugh at women complaining about the AC in their office buildings.

White women in America are the most privileged group of people in the world, and they still want more.

I saw and heard several men in the video say it was terrible work that, presumably, they would do anything other than that to make money. You're saying that there were men doing that work because it was their dream to do so, but women (because of the privilege they have in India ) are the only people that do not want to do that work.

Your OP makes no sense, you know it, you just inject your women-hating soapbox into everything you see... apparently.

 

[Elixir]

You are all a bunch of mean old poopy-heads for implying that halfie should have to do that kind of work!
Leave the poor thing ALONE for the love of Pete... .

 

[bilby]

And the prize for 'Most blatantly and obviously incorrect claim on the Internet' goes to:

One thing's for sure, there is no male privilege in Bangladesh.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Class, Patriarchy, and Women's Work in Bangladesh

Abstract

Women's roles in rural Bangladesh and in the economies of developing countries in general have been poorly documented and researched. This article provides an analysis of women's work using a unique set of data, including detailed information on time allocation, collected in a village in Bangladesh. Women's work is analyzed in the context of the powerful system of male dominance (patriarchy) that operates in the society. Patriarchy is grounded in control of material resources and supported by elements of the kinship, political, and religious systems. Important consequences of the patriarchal system are that women are placed at risk of abrupt declines in economic status; under the pressure of increasing poverty the proportion of women who must fend for themselves is increasing; and women face a labor market that is highly restricted both spatially and functionally, resulting in relatively low wages and high rates of unemployment. The paper documents the division of labor by sex, seasonal variations in labor utilization, and the structure of the female labor market. Implications for fertility behavior, population policy, and employment policy are considered.

 

[Half-Life]

And the prize for 'Most blatantly and obviously incorrect claim on the Internet' goes to:

One thing's for sure, there is no male privilege in Bangladesh.

I can not, in good conscience, claim that the men of Bangladesh doing ship-breaking jobs for minuscule pay are privileged.

You have an insane definition of "privilege" then. Next thing you'll tell me is that children who used to work in factories during the industrial revolution were "privileged children."

Remember that protocol for ship evacuation is "women and children first." If there was male privilege, women would be the last ones allowed on the lifeboats.