Good Guys with Guns? The recent rash of COVID protest shootings, and what it says about gun ownership

[Jarhyn]

So, I've been seeing numerous reports now of various fuckwads whipping out their perfectly legal, permitted firearms and shooting and killing people amid frustrations over perfectly reasonable closures.

I have said for a long time that the availability of a gun in an emotional situation will often lead to the use of said gun for absolutely unacceptable purposes. Most recently, https://abcnews.go.com/US/mcdonalds-employees-shot-angry-customer-told-dining-room/story?id=70553451 this story wherein an angry gun owner, in the heat of his anger, leveraged the immediate availability of his firearm to shoot two.

But on showcase here is the fact that humans sometimes just go off the rails crazy for short periods of time, and that this is to be expected; the availability of a firearm in these situations turns what would be a mere Karen-esque public freakout into a blood bath.

I wonder when we're going to figure out that when you add deadly weapons to ANY situation, the situation merely becomes more deadly.

 

[J842P]

So, I've been seeing numerous reports now of various fuckwads whipping out their perfectly legal, permitted firearms and shooting and killing people amid frustrations over perfectly reasonable closures.

I have said for a long time that the availability of a gun in an emotional situation will often lead to the use of said gun for absolutely unacceptable purposes. Most recently, https://abcnews.go.com/US/mcdonalds-employees-shot-angry-customer-told-dining-room/story?id=70553451 this story wherein an angry gun owner, in the heat of his anger, leveraged the immediate availability of his firearm to shoot two.

But on showcase here is the fact that humans sometimes just go off the rails crazy for short periods of time, and that this is to be expected; the availability of a firearm in these situations turns what would be a mere Karen-esque public freakout into a blood bath.

I wonder when we're going to figure out that when you add deadly weapons to ANY situation, the situation merely becomes more deadly.

Guns don't kill people. Freedom ain't free. From my cold, dead hands.

Blah blah blah.

 

[Worldtraveller]

Yeah, the usual ammosexual gun fetishists have been strangely (not) quiet about these incidences.

I think they are all in their heavily armored think (hah!) tanks trying to come up with talking points that don't contradict all their previous talking points, at least not too obviously.

 

[Jarhyn]

Yeah, the usual ammosexual gun fetishists have been strangely (not) quiet about these incidences.

I think they are all in their heavily armored think (hah!) tanks trying to come up with talking points that don't contradict all their previous talking points, at least not too obviously.

I mean shit, I remember a video of a Karen dropping trow and shitting in a fast food restaurant. I can only imagine how much more legal things would have gotten if she had been armed. And of course, these particular Karens are, at least in part, men.

The existence of Karen behavior in general is, I think, one of the best reasons to reconsider allowing people to be armed with deadly weapons during normal public interactions.

I don't believe the standard line that there is a real difference between a crazy person with a gun and a sane person with a gun, when the only difference between crazy and sane seems to be the immediate context the person is in rather than the object of the person themselves

 

[ideologyhunter]

For the benefit of users like me, who'd need to google the slang use of 'Karen': it's shorthand for entitled, pushy, ultra-obnoxious white women. From what I gathered, it also carries connotations of blonde & middle-aged. How to keep all this from my born-again cousin, Karen??? (She's really Karen, but she's not too much of a Karen.)

 

[ZiprHead]

For the benefit of users like me, who'd need to google the slang use of 'Karen': it's shorthand for entitled, pushy, ultra-obnoxious white women. From what I gathered, it also carries connotations of blonde & middle-aged. How to keep all this from my born-again cousin, Karen??? (She's really Karen, but she's not too much of a Karen.)

It comes from the Karen character on Will & Grace.

 

[Harry Bosch]

As an aside, my wife and I have always disagreed about guns. Sorry, but I'm an Indian. We hunt. It's in our blood. I started hunting with my grandfather when I was 5. I've been around guns my whole life. My wife hates them. Always has. She refused for me to have any guns in our house. I'd leave all my guns at my brother's homes. Over the years, I've hunted less. No big deal. Anyway, as soon as this COVID crisis started, we started hording certain household goods, assuming the worse. She had me buy a gun, just in case!

 

[ideologyhunter]

It has also been attributed to a Dane Cook routine called The Friend Nobody Likes.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

As an aside, my wife and I have always disagreed about guns. Sorry, but I'm an Indian. We hunt. It's in our blood. I started hunting with my grandfather when I was 5. I've been around guns my whole life. My wife hates them. Always has. She refused for me to have any guns in our house. I'd leave all my guns at my brother's homes. Over the years, I've hunted less. No big deal. Anyway, as soon as this COVID crisis started, we started hording certain household goods, assuming the worse. She had me buy a gun, just in case!

In decent times most people are not in a position to need a defense gun. In bad times they suddenly realize the situation has changed--and unfortunately that means a bunch of unskilled people with guns. But why have you buy one if you have guns stored with your brothers?

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Yeah, the usual ammosexual

Ammosexual? Is that one of the 200 tumbler sexual identities?

That puts them on the top of the progressive stack and they must therefore be catered to.

 

[ZiprHead]

It has also been attributed to a Dane Cook routine called The Friend Nobody Likes.

The W&G Karen came way, way before the Dane Cook routine.

 

[Jarhyn]

Yeah, the usual ammosexual

Ammosexual? Is that one of the 200 tumbler sexual identities?

That puts them on the top of the progressive stack and they must therefore be catered to.

Hey, I think we finally found a Tumblr identity you can really get behind.

But no, just being open about your identity is not enough; you actually have to demonstrate your deviance doesn't actually harm people. Pedophiles, for example, can fuck right off just like the ammosexuals can.

Edit: your desire to be armed with a deadly weapon when you inevitably have a Karen moment is duly noted.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Yeah, the usual ammosexual

Ammosexual? Is that one of the 200 tumbler sexual identities?

That puts them on the top of the progressive stack and they must therefore be catered to.

Hey, I think we finally found a Tumblr identity you can really get behind.

But no, just being open about your identity is not enough; you actually have to demonstrate your deviance doesn't actually harm people. Pedophiles, for example, can fuck right off just like the ammosexuals can.

Edit: your desire to be armed with a deadly weapon when you inevitably have a Karen moment is duly noted.

Karens don't like guns.

 

[Jarhyn]

Hey, I think we finally found a Tumblr identity you can really get behind.

But no, just being open about your identity is not enough; you actually have to demonstrate your deviance doesn't actually harm people. Pedophiles, for example, can fuck right off just like the ammosexuals can.

Edit: your desire to be armed with a deadly weapon when you inevitably have a Karen moment is duly noted.

Karens don't like guns.

Whatever, Karen.

 

[Harry Bosch]

As an aside, my wife and I have always disagreed about guns. Sorry, but I'm an Indian. We hunt. It's in our blood. I started hunting with my grandfather when I was 5. I've been around guns my whole life. My wife hates them. Always has. She refused for me to have any guns in our house. I'd leave all my guns at my brother's homes. Over the years, I've hunted less. No big deal. Anyway, as soon as this COVID crisis started, we started hording certain household goods, assuming the worse. She had me buy a gun, just in case!

In decent times most people are not in a position to need a defense gun. In bad times they suddenly realize the situation has changed--and unfortunately that means a bunch of unskilled people with guns. But why have you buy one if you have guns stored with your brothers?

Social distancing! But very much agree that guns in unskilled hands is very dangerous.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

As an aside, my wife and I have always disagreed about guns. Sorry, but I'm an Indian. We hunt. It's in our blood. I started hunting with my grandfather when I was 5. I've been around guns my whole life. My wife hates them. Always has. She refused for me to have any guns in our house. I'd leave all my guns at my brother's homes. Over the years, I've hunted less. No big deal. Anyway, as soon as this COVID crisis started, we started hording certain household goods, assuming the worse. She had me buy a gun, just in case!

In decent times most people are not in a position to need a defense gun. In bad times they suddenly realize the situation has changed--and unfortunately that means a bunch of unskilled people with guns. But why have you buy one if you have guns stored with your brothers?

Social distancing! But very much agree that guns in unskilled hands is very dangerous.

What's the distancing problem? They put the gun in a box in their backyard, tell you where it's hidden. You come pick it up out of their back yard. Once you bring the box in give it a week's quarantine as it's metal. Alternately, they leave the box in your yard, you retrieve it.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Social distancing! But very much agree that guns in unskilled hands is very dangerous.

What's the distancing problem? They put the gun in a box in their backyard, tell you where it's hidden. You come pick it up out of their back yard. Once you bring the box in give it a week's quarantine as it's metal. Alternately, they leave the box in your yard, you retrieve it.

You got me. The fact of the matter is that I haven't hunted for years. I've mostly given my guns to my brothers and their families. When I take time off, I prefer doing activities that my daughters want to do: skiing, sailing, kayaking, and etc. They don't enjoy hunting, so I don't hunt anymore. But back to my point, as soon as things started getting a little scary, my wife wanted a gun in the house. Now, it's locked. I can get it, my wife and my oldest. However, both my wife and my oldest have taken extensive classes on gun safety, and have shot it many times. The biggest threat to gun owners are their own guns most of the time.

 

[ZiprHead]

Social distancing! But very much agree that guns in unskilled hands is very dangerous.

What's the distancing problem? They put the gun in a box in their backyard, tell you where it's hidden. You come pick it up out of their back yard. Once you bring the box in give it a week's quarantine as it's metal. Alternately, they leave the box in your yard, you retrieve it.

You got me. The fact of the matter is that I haven't hunted for years. I've mostly given my guns to my brothers and their families. When I take time off, I prefer doing activities that my daughters want to do: skiing, sailing, kayaking, and etc. They don't enjoy hunting, so I don't hunt anymore. But back to my point, as soon as things started getting a little scary, my wife wanted a gun in the house. Now, it's locked. I can get it, my wife and my oldest. However, both my wife and my oldest have taken extensive classes on gun safety, and have shot it many times. The biggest threat to gun owners are their own guns most of the time.

I haven't gone hunting in 25 years, at least. Even my brother, who lives way, way out in the sticks and was a regular hunter, gave it up a few years ago. Just easier to buy meat from the butcher.



That's me on the left in Newberry in the UP. And that's not my deer.

 

[prideandfall]

But very much agree that guns in unskilled hands is very dangerous.

or a skilled hand that isn't paying attention. or... really, any time a gun is present, it's very dangerous.

just last week the idiot living in the condo across the hall from me was showing off his gun to his new bimbo and 'didn't realize it was loaded' and it went off, came in through my exterior wall, and exploded my TV about 9 inches from my head.
that being the first interaction i've had with guns in my life, i can say with certainty that my lifelong opinion that guns are a dick replacement therapy for impotent sacks of shit trying to get their nipples hard has been resoundingly proven correct.

 

[ZiprHead]

But very much agree that guns in unskilled hands is very dangerous.

or a skilled hand that isn't paying attention. or... really, any time a gun is present, it's very dangerous.

just last week the idiot living in the condo across the hall from me was showing off his gun to his new bimbo and 'didn't realize it was loaded' and it went off, came in through my exterior wall, and exploded my TV about 9 inches from my head.
that being the first interaction i've had with guns in my life, i can say with certainty that my lifelong opinion that guns are a dick replacement therapy for impotent sacks of shit trying to get their nipples hard has been resoundingly proven correct.

Wow!

Is the idiot going to pay for the damages?