ACLU's staggering dishonesty on trans girls in sports

[Metaphor]

This page has been active since April 2020, but the ACLU recently re-tweeted the 'myths' on its Twitter feed.

I started this post earlier. My response had a number of 'lying fucking cunts' in it, so I deleted it and counted to ten.

This post will talk about some of the logical fallacies, misrepresentations, and blatant lies that the ACLU continues to peddle. This is an organisation that once had the bravery to defend the KKK's free speech. Now it uses its own free speech to lie daily.

In 2020, lawmakers zeroed in on sports and introduced 20 bills seeking to ban trans people from participating in athletics.

False. Banning biological males from competing in the girls category is not banning trans people from participating in athletics.

[h=2]FACT: Including trans athletes will benefit everyone.[/h][h=4]MYTH: The participation of trans athletes hurts cis women.[/h]Many who oppose the inclusion of trans athletes erroneously claim that allowing trans athletes to compete will harm cisgender women. This divide and conquer tactic gets it exactly wrong. Excluding women who are trans hurts all women.

Begging the question.

It invites gender policing that could subject any woman to invasive tests or accusations of being “too masculine” or “too good” at their sport to be a “real” woman. In Idaho, the ACLU represents two young women, one trans and one cis, both of whom are hurt by the law that was passed targeting trans athletes.

Further, this myth reinforces stereotypes that women are weak and in need of protection. Politicians have used the “protection” trope time and time again, including in 2016 when they tried banning trans people from public restrooms by creating the debunked “bathroom predator” myth. The real motive is never about protection — it’s about excluding trans people from yet another public space. The arena of sports is no different.

False. Trans people are not excluded from sport.

On the other hand, including trans athletes will promote values of non-discrimination and inclusion among all student athletes.

Incoherent. Sports are separated by sex and age and weight class. Discrimination is built into sport.

As longtime coach and sports policy expert Helen Carroll explains, efforts to exclude subsets of girls from sports, “can undermine team unity and also encourage divisiveness by policing who is ‘really’ a girl.” Dr. Mary Fry adds that youth derive the most benefits from athletics when they are exposed to caring environments where teammates are supported by each other and by coaches. Banning some girls from athletics because they are transgender undermines this cohesion and compromises the wide-ranging benefits that youth get from sports.

False, incoherent, begging the question, and fluff. No girls are banned from athletics.

[h=2]FACT: Trans athletes do not have an unfair advantage in sports.[/h][h=4]MYTH: Trans athletes’ physiological characteristics provide an unfair advantage over cis athletes.[/h]

Partly false. Trans men don't have an advantage over 'cis' men, because trans men are female.

Trans women have enormous physical advantages over 'cis' women, because trans women are male.

Women and girls who are trans face discrimination and violence that makes it difficult to even stay in school. According to the U.S. Trans Survey, 22 percent of trans women who were perceived as trans in school were harassed so badly they had to leave school because of it. Another 10 percent were kicked out of school. The idea that women and girls have an advantage because they are trans ignores the actual conditions of their lives.

Trans women and trans girls have the advantage of having male bodies.

Trans athletes vary in athletic ability just like cisgender athletes.

Irrelevant. Men vary in height just like women do, but men are taller than women.

“One high jumper could be taller and have longer legs than another, but the other could have perfect form, and then do better,” explains Andraya Yearwood, a student track athlete and ACLU client. “One sprinter could have parents who spend so much money on personal training for their child, which in turn, would cause that child to run faster,” she adds. In Connecticut, where cisgender girl runners have tried to block Andraya from participating in the sport she loves, the very same cis girls who have claimed that trans athletes have an “unfair” advantage have consistently performed as well as or better than transgender competitors.

“A person’s genetic make-up and internal and external reproductive anatomy are not useful indicators of athletic performance,”according to Dr. Joshua D. Safer. “For a trans woman athlete who meets NCAA standards, “there is no inherent reason why her physiological characteristics related to athletic performance should be treated differently from the physiological characteristics of a non-transgender woman.”

Misleading. The ACLU does not want any trans girl to have to meet NCAA standards. They want any male who identifies as a girl to compete on girls teams.

Also, a lie. Transwomen, who are male, retain superior male strength for years and possibly forever after transitioning.

[h=2]FACT: Trans girls are girls.[/h]

Begging the question.

[h=4]MYTH: Sex is binary, apparent at birth, and identifiable through singular biological characteristics.[/h]

Sex is binary in mammals. Sex is apparent and easily identified at birth.

Girls who are trans are told repeatedly that they are not “real” girls and boys who are trans are told they are not “real” boys. Non-binary people are told that their gender is not real and that they must be either boys or girls. None of these statements are true. Trans people are exactly who we say we are.

There is no one way for women’s bodies to be. Women, including women who are transgender, intersex, or disabled, have a range of different physical characteristics.

“A person’s sex is made up of multiple biological characteristics and they may not all align as typically male or female in a given person,” says Dr. Safer. Further, many people who are not trans can have hormones levels outside of the range considered typical of a cis person of their assigned sex.

Irrelevant. Gender identity can be anything. It has zero bearing on the sex of a person.

When a person does not identify with the sex they were assigned at birth,

A sex is not 'assigned' at birth. A doctor (or anybody, really), correctly names the sex of the baby after it is born, and in many cases, before the person was born.

they must be able to transition socially — and that includes participating in sports consistent with their gender identity.

Even if true, nothing to do with sex not being binary.

According to Dr. Deanna Adkins, excluding trans athletes can be deeply harmful and disruptive to treatment. “I know from experience with my patients that it can be extremely harmful for a transgender young person to be excluded from the team consistent with their gender identity.”

That does not make their inclusion fair.

[h=2]FACT: Trans people belong on the same teams as other students.[/h][h=4]MYTH: Trans students need separate teams.[/h]

Trans girls of course should compete on the same teams as other students. They must compete with other males, because they are male.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Hey, anything that ultimately leads us to communism is a good thing.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The best fact checking is fact checking with a clear bias and suffering from paranoia.

 

[repoman]

I really hope that a huge amount of cisgender girls who file legal claims are suspended from school, blackballed by college enrollment , HR departments from meaningful employment and maybe even arrested for hate crimes.

 

[thebeave]

I have a little personal bet with myself that Biden's executive order on transgenders in sports is going to backfire badly, and will be reversed within 2 years, if not sooner. I think the proponents of it live in some sort of unicorns & rainbows world wherein men and women can compete competitively in sports. They have no idea.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

If medical science eventually allows people to become donkeys, cows, sheep, etc- and it eventually will, given the exponential rate at which technology is progressing (another thing to be afraid of, conservatives!)- and two or more consenting adults want to have sex as the animal of their choice, who am I to judge? Conservatives don't think far ahead enough with this stuff. They never do. *sighs*



**Moderator comment**
this comment is post is relevant, pointing out that medical advances in changing human biology will become more and more weird and broad as time goes on, so whatever decisions and judgments we make now about transexual changes will reverberate into the future. BUT any further exploration of the animal consent issue leaves the topic - the posts going that direction were split into a new thread here and if you wish to pursue, please go to that thread

 

[thebeave]

If medical science eventually allows people to become donkeys, cows, sheep, etc- and it eventually will, given the exponential rate at which technology is progressing (another thing to be afraid of, conservatives!)- and two or more consenting adults want to have sex as the animal of their choice, who am I to judge? Conservatives don't think far ahead enough with this stuff. They never do. *sighs*

You are mistaken if you think this is mostly a conservative issue. I assure you there is no shortage of dyed-in-the-wool liberals who think this policy is batshit insane.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

If medical science eventually allows people to become donkeys, cows, sheep, etc- and it eventually will, given the exponential rate at which technology is progressing (another thing to be afraid of, conservatives!)- and two or more consenting adults want to have sex as the animal of their choice, who am I to judge? Conservatives don't think far ahead enough with this stuff. They never do. *sighs*

You are mistaken if you think this is mostly a conservative issue. I assure you there is no shortage of dyed-in-the-wool liberals who think this policy is batshit insane.

Au contraire, neither is there no shortage of communist SJWs such as myself, who want to destroy society as we know it!

 

[Gospel]

I have a little personal bet with myself that Biden's executive order on transgenders in sports is going to backfire badly, and will be reversed within 2 years, if not sooner. I think the proponents of it live in some sort of unicorns & rainbows world wherein men and women can compete competitively in sports. They have no idea.

I'm actually looking forward to seeing a transgender linebacker affectionally embrace the tight end. So maybe it's not a bad thing for every sport?

 

[thebeave]

I have a little personal bet with myself that Biden's executive order on transgenders in sports is going to backfire badly, and will be reversed within 2 years, if not sooner. I think the proponents of it live in some sort of unicorns & rainbows world wherein men and women can compete competitively in sports. They have no idea.

I'm actually looking forward to seeing a transgender linebacker affectionally embrace the tight end. So maybe it's not a bad thing for every sport?

Hey, whatever floats your boat man. Who am I to judge?

 

[Metaphor]

Hey, anything that ultimately leads us to communism is a good thing.

My parents fled communism in Europe and even the communist countries separated males and females in sport.

 

[Metaphor]

The best fact checking is fact checking with a clear bias and suffering from paranoia.

If you disagree with some of my rebuttals I'm sure you can quote which ones and explain why you disagree.

 

[Metaphor]

I have a little personal bet with myself that Biden's executive order on transgenders in sports is going to backfire badly, and will be reversed within 2 years, if not sooner. I think the proponents of it live in some sort of unicorns & rainbows world wherein men and women can compete competitively in sports. They have no idea.

I am not that optimistic. It already takes staggering denial of reality to have made the executive order. What evidence or events could persuade somebody to revoke it?

 

[Metaphor]

If medical science eventually allows people to become donkeys, cows, sheep, etc- and it eventually will, given the exponential rate at which technology is progressing (another thing to be afraid of, conservatives!)- and two or more consenting adults want to have sex as the animal of their choice, who am I to judge? Conservatives don't think far ahead enough with this stuff. They never do. *sighs*

I don't know in what meaningful sense someone would be themselves if their body was altered enough to become another species (presumably, the brain would have to be more or less intact for psychological continuity). Nor, I assume, would the sports of the future allow a trans-cheetah to compete with humans, but then, we're already letting males compete with females and calling it 'fair'.

 

[thebeave]

I have a little personal bet with myself that Biden's executive order on transgenders in sports is going to backfire badly, and will be reversed within 2 years, if not sooner. I think the proponents of it live in some sort of unicorns & rainbows world wherein men and women can compete competitively in sports. They have no idea.

I am not that optimistic. It already takes staggering denial of reality to have made the executive order. What evidence or events could persuade somebody to revoke it?

I have a feeling he was pressured into signing that order, without understanding the magnitude of the impact to women's sports. Or perhaps he acquainted himself with the issue by reading biased and false information (similar to the ACLU). Now that the transwomen have been given the green light to compete in women's sports, the reality and magnitude of the situation is going to be very apparent pretty quickly. I predict a rather vocal lobbying effort from female athletes themselves, parents, coaches, etc. to revert back to the way it was before too long. Of course with Covid putting a damper on athletics these days, perhaps the process will take longer until momentum builds.

 

[repoman]

I wanna ask the pro MTF in women's sports, if you were an HR manager for a company and a woman who had filed suit against this provision applied for a job...

What would you do in consideration of employing her?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

If medical science eventually allows people to become donkeys, cows, sheep, etc- and it eventually will, given the exponential rate at which technology is progressing (another thing to be afraid of, conservatives!)- and two or more consenting adults want to have sex as the animal of their choice, who am I to judge? Conservatives don't think far ahead enough with this stuff. They never do. *sighs*

I don't know in what meaningful sense someone would be themselves if their body was altered enough to become another species (presumably, the brain would have to be more or less intact for psychological continuity). Nor, I assume, would the sports of the future allow a trans-cheetah to compete with humans, but then, we're already letting males compete with females and calling it 'fair'.

It would be a lot easier to make a 100% accurate gender change than to make a trans-cheetah.

For the most part I support trans rights but gender-segregated sports are an exception--the change isn't 100% and makes it an unfair competition.

 

[Metaphor]

If medical science eventually allows people to become donkeys, cows, sheep, etc- and it eventually will, given the exponential rate at which technology is progressing (another thing to be afraid of, conservatives!)- and two or more consenting adults want to have sex as the animal of their choice, who am I to judge? Conservatives don't think far ahead enough with this stuff. They never do. *sighs*

I don't know in what meaningful sense someone would be themselves if their body was altered enough to become another species (presumably, the brain would have to be more or less intact for psychological continuity). Nor, I assume, would the sports of the future allow a trans-cheetah to compete with humans, but then, we're already letting males compete with females and calling it 'fair'.

It would be a lot easier to make a 100% accurate gender change than to make a trans-cheetah.

For the most part I support trans rights but gender-segregated sports are an exception--the change isn't 100% and makes it an unfair competition.

Changing sex--actually changing sex--might be possible in the far future, though I confess I don't know exactly what it would entail. Almost every cell in my body (except my sperm and blood) is XY. How could that become XX? Where would the second lot of information come from?

And how on earth would XX become XY?

Remember that the ACLU and other trans activists do not want to restrict males in girls sports to 'transitioned' males. The ACLU, and Biden's executive order, makes it explicit that self identification alone is enough.

 

[Jarhyn]

If medical science eventually allows people to become donkeys, cows, sheep, etc- and it eventually will, given the exponential rate at which technology is progressing (another thing to be afraid of, conservatives!)- and two or more consenting adults want to have sex as the animal of their choice, who am I to judge? Conservatives don't think far ahead enough with this stuff. They never do. *sighs*

I don't know in what meaningful sense someone would be themselves if their body was altered enough to become another species (presumably, the brain would have to be more or less intact for psychological continuity). Nor, I assume, would the sports of the future allow a trans-cheetah to compete with humans, but then, we're already letting males compete with females and calling it 'fair'.

It would be a lot easier to make a 100% accurate gender change than to make a trans-cheetah.

For the most part I support trans rights but gender-segregated sports are an exception--the change isn't 100% and makes it an unfair competition.

In fact, most liberals will tend to agree with that assessment with a particular exception: when someone has not actually gone through any developmentally meaningful period of testosterone exposure.

The issue is, the ones who claim this will hurt sports are the same ones who scream BLOODY MURDER when we suggest that maybe people not be forced to undergo the "wrong" puberty in the first place, and thus not be so fucked out of participating in sports with their hormonally matched peers.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Hey, anything that ultimately leads us to communism is a good thing.

My parents fled communism in Europe and even the communist countries separated males and females in sport.

Oh, then I must be even more evil than I realised, then! Muahahaha.