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Then about the successes of an activist organization, Stand Up Nashville, that Odessa Kelly participates in.
Stand Up Nashville was also active in fighting a proposed satellite headquarters for Amazon in Nashville, part of the company’s HQ2 sweepstakes. Amazon received $102 million in state and local economic-development subsidies to locate offices in Nashville for 5,000 workers, at the same time that the fast-growing city was crying so poor that it reneged on $38 million in promised cost-of-living increases for 9,300 city workers. A “Do Better” ordinance that Stand Up Nashville helped pass forces companies like Amazon to disclose information about worker wages and local hires, which the coalition is using to hold companies accountable to their promises.
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The Democrats’ Secret Weapon for 2022: Republican Primary Challenges - The American Prospect
Especially to Congresspeople who voted for impeaching Trump. Trump wants them primaried and he calls them RINO's. Their challengers are likely to be supporters of QAnon kookishness, challengers like Lauren Boebert and Marjorie Taylor Greene.


More candidates:
Bold, Progressive Leadership for Louisiana’s 2nd District. — Karen Carter Peterson - M4A, GND, etc.
In the special election to fill this seat, KCP made the runoff, and the final election is on April 24 That seat was vacated when Rep. Cedric Richmond joined the Biden Admin.

Swanson for Congress - IL-18 (central, western IL) - M4A, GND, etc.

Elizabeth Moreira for Congress | Linktree - CA-38 (eastern LA, Orange Counties) - M4A, GND, etc.

Ruth Luevanos for Congress | Home - CA-25 (Santa Clarita - Palmdale) - not clear about her platform

CA-25 is the district where Katie Hill was elected in 2018. After she resigned in disgrace, the state had a special election and a Republican, Mark Garcia, got into it.
 
The  Justice Democrats are now Nina Turner and Odessa Kelly. JD is an offshoot of  Brand New Congress, AOC's recruiter. Both Wikipedia pages list the amount of success that the two PAC's have had with each of their candidates.
  • 2018 successfully primaried - AOC NY-14 (1st time): 20-yr inc Joe Crowley - Ayanna Pressley MA-07 (1st time): 20-yr inc Mike Capuano
  • 2020 successfully primaried - Marie Newman IL-03 2nd time): 16-yr inc Dan Lipinski - Jamaal Bowman NY-16 (1st time): 32-yr inc Eliot Engel - Cori Bush MO-01 (2nd time): 20-yr inc Lacy Clay
  • 2020 failed to primary - Jessica Cisneros TX-28 (1st time): 16-yr inc Henry Cuellar - Alex Morse MA-01 (1st time): 32-yr inc Richard Neal
  • 2020 lost general election - Kara Eastman NE-02 (2nd time): 4-yr inc Don Bacon (R)

Which Reps Will Progressives Look to Unseat in 2022? - The American Prospect

Listing Henry Cuellar TX-28, Jake Auchincloss MA-04, David Scott GA-13, Kurt Schrader OR-05, Bobby Rush IL-01, Alcee Hastings FL-20

HC:
... widely seen as perhaps the most conservative Democrat in the House, ... Cuellar routinely voted against the Democratic agenda; early in the Trump administration, he was voting with the disgraced Republican president a startling 75 percent of the time and rocking an A rating from the now-bankrupt NRA. This, despite representing a district with a D+15 partisan lean.
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JA is a former registered Republican, someone who voted R as late as 2015.

DS:
... an extremely Wall Street–friendly representative, has been a notorious and unapologetic co-sponsor of Republican bills to deregulate derivatives markets. ... Scott was famously the only Democrat to co-sponsor all seven Republican bills that aimed to water down the Dodd-Frank Wall Street reform package.
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KS:
Schrader hasn’t been particularly high-profile, but he inexplicably pledged to vote against Trump’s second impeachment in the wake of the Capitol insurrection, before eventually flip-flopping. He referred to the vote as a “lynching” in a House caucus call, in a exceptionally tone-deaf display. Schrader was also one of just two Democrats to vote against a bill that would have increased stimulus checks in last December’s COVID relief bill to $2,000, in defiance of a signature pledge of the Biden administration. The only other Democrat to do that is no longer in Congress, thanks to a progressive primary challenger.
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BR:
"Rush, now 74 years old, endorsed Michael Bloomberg in the Democratic presidential primary."

AH:
"... and Hastings, one of Congress’s leading supporters of the predatory payday-lending sector, is now 84 years old."
While some Democrats might be disinclined to retire, looking to the example set by the ancient House leadership, the prospect of a lengthy primary battle can be a powerful motivator. Last year, the announcement of Mondaire Jones’s candidacy in New York’s 17th Congressional District was enough to push incumbent Nita Lowey, then 82 years old, into retirement. Jones won the open primary in the district and cruised to victory in November. “The Mondaire Jones race might be the blueprint going forward,” said Sean McElwee, co-founder of Data for Progress.
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Which Reps Will Progressives Look to Unseat in 2022? - The American Prospect - in Feb 12 of this year, author Alexander Sammon speculated on what Rep. Alcee Hastings might want to do.

Then,

U.S. Rep. Alcee Hastings of Florida dies at 84 - South Florida Sun-Sentinel
He was in FL-20.
n late 2018, Hastings was diagnosed with Stage 4 pancreatic cancer. For much of the ensuing two years, he continued public appearances between medical treatments, but more recently he hadn’t been in public. In recent days, he had been in hospice care. “Alcee was a fighter, and he fought this terrible disease longer than most. He faced it fearlessly, and at times even made fun of it,” said Broward County Commissioner Dale Holness.
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Top Republicans offer warm words on Hastings. Not DeSantis. - South Florida Sun-Sentinel
The Republican governor’s statement was as perfunctory and impersonal as possible. DeSantis said he and his wife were “saddened” to learn of the death and Hastings’ “service to our state will be remembered.”

By contrast, Republican U.S. Sens. Marco Rubio and Rick Scott issued more compassionate statements in which they exhibited some warmth toward Hastings, who died at 84 after serving in Congress for more than 28 years.
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Special Election will decide replacement for Alcee Hastings, but redistricting looms
Sheila Cherfilus-McCormick and Barbara Sharief both filed to run for the Democratic nomination in CD 20 before Hastings’ death. Cherfilus-McCormick ran against Hastings last cycle, though was unsuccessful. Sharief is running as she faces term limits for her seat on the Broward County Commission.

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What we do know is that Hastings’ seat will remain open for a few months, likely until summer, and that a Democrat is almost certain to serve out the remainder of Hastings’ term.
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Tammy Allison for TX-06 - a member of the NAACP and the National Rifle Association

She is campaigning on restoring gun rights to those convicted of crimes.


TheRagtagBand🏴*☠️ on Twitter: "The election wasn’t great, but we must get back up. The Ragtag Band is here to stay! From here on out, we’re promoting progressive policy and the candidates who rep it! Together.
What we stand for:
M4A
Green New Deal
Wealth Tax
Living Wage
FreeEd4All
Legalize Marijuana
& more (link)" / Twitter
Then a lot of tweets on its endorsed candidates, national, state, and local.

D. LIAM DORRIS for U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES - INDIANA'S NINTH
His positions:
Political Position: I am a social democrat who doesn’t currently agree with the limitations of a duopoly. In a duopoly, we are forced to vote for politicians who have a standard set of positions, many of which we don’t agree with. I appreciate the idea of mixing and matching some of the best policy positions from a number of sources; parties, coalitions, and groups that fit the average American better than what’s currently being offered.

Ideological Influences: I am ideologically aligned with current politicians such as Bernie Sanders and Nina Turner. Some of my influences are people such as Rev. Cornel West, Rev. Martin Luther King Jr, Albert Eisenstein, and Eugene V. Debs.

Aligned Organizations: I am aligned with the following organizations: A Movement for a People’s Party, Democratic Socialists of America, Justice Democrats, and Our Revolution.
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No hint as to whether or not he will be running as a Democrat. But late last year, he tweeted
D. Liam Dorris 🦅🌎⚓️ on Twitter: "The absolute worst part of politics is having to work within the 2 party system. I really don’t like having to be a part of either. I run as Democrat because I am a leftie, and I run on social policy and substance.

My personal preference would be to run as a #Socialist." / Twitter
 
The Justice Democrats are supporting another challenger, Rana Abdelhamid in NY-12. Her campaign page: Rana for Congress

Rana Abdelhamid (@RanaForCongress) / Twitter

Progressive Activist Rana Abdelhamid Announces Run Against Rep. Carolyn Maloney | HuffPost - "The founder of a women’s self-defense group from Queens takes on a Manhattan Democrat with a mixed record on progressive priorities."

If RAH is elected, she will be 27, making her the youngest woman ever elected to the US House, beating AOC at 29 in 2018, and before her, Elise Stefanik at 30 in 2014, and then Elizabeth Holtzman at 31 in 1972.
“She’s had nearly three decades to try to make some change and she hasn’t,” Abdelhamid said. “This is a really crucial moment as we’re thinking about the future of New York City, as we’re thinking about the future of this country, and I think we need new leadership — leadership that is going to think about what could be possible for so many of our communities.”

Abdelhamid is a human rights activist, the founder of the women’s self-defense group Malikah, and a Google marketing professional. She is the second candidate this election cycle to earn the support of Justice Democrats, a left-wing group that has played a key role in five successful primary challenges over the last two election cycles.

Alexandra Rojas, the executive director of Justice Democrats, said in a statement that the group endorsed Abdelhamid because she has “fought tirelessly for her community against racism and economic insecurity.”
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How Carolyn Maloney Has Become the New Target of NY's Ascendant Left - The New York Times - "Justice Democrats, a left-wing group that fueled the rise of Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, is backing Rana Abdelhamid’s primary bid."
Ms. Abdelhamid, a 27-year-old member of the Democratic Socialists of America who is keenly focused on matters of housing access and equity, officially announced her candidacy for the 2022 primary on Wednesday.

“We strongly believe in Rana’s leadership capabilities to build a coalition like we’ve been able to in some of our previous elections,” said Alexandra Rojas, the executive director of Justice Democrats, adding that she believed Ms. Abdelhamid could connect with younger voters, working-class voters of color, some older white liberals and those inspired by left-wing leaders like Senator Bernie Sanders and Ms. Ocasio-Cortez.

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Ms. Abdelhamid, a daughter of Egyptian immigrants, is a 2015 graduate of Middlebury College and 2017 graduate of the Harvard Kennedy School, with a day job at Google. A first-degree black belt in karate, she founded a nonprofit called “Malikah” — “queen” in multiple languages — that offers self-defense training and other efforts to empower women, an initiative she launched after a man tried to yank off her hijab when she was a teenager.
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“Congresswoman Maloney has been in office for 28 years, for longer than I’ve been alive,” she said in an interview this week, sitting outside a restaurant on a crowded street in the Little Egypt enclave of Astoria, Queens. “Under her leadership, rent has only skyrocketed, our public schools have only gotten more segregated and more underfunded.

“The progressive case against Carolyn Maloney,” she charged, “is that Carolyn Maloney is not a progressive.”
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Rep. Carolyn Maloney:
Ms. Maloney describes herself as “a recognized progressive national leader,” and her allies say that she has a long record of delivering for constituents — indeed, a map on her congressional website offers a detailed guide to the funding she says she has procured for projects across the district.
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Statement from NYS Democratic Chairman on the Socialists Challenge to Congresswoman Carolyn Maloney | New York State Democratic Party
NASSAU COUNTY, NY: New York State Democratic Party Chairman Jay S. Jacobs has released the following statement:

... However, the argument that she and her "Justice Democrats" and "Democratic Socialists of America" allies put forth that Carolyn Maloney is not progressive enough is just pure nonsense.
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Then about CM's legislative successes and her delivering for her district.
Make no mistake about it. This challenge is not about progressive causes. This challenge is about one thing: power. Maloney has it and the DSA wants it. ...

The DSA and Justice Democrats have a long history of cherry-picking the districts they compete in, the opponents they believe they can beat and the issues that they choose to talk about. Well, with Carolyn Maloney, this time, they have picked the wrong opponent. It’s about time we let the voters know what the DSA really stands for – and if they were truly FOR the progressive values of the overwhelming majority of mainstream Democrats – they would be supporting Maloney."
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RAH responded
Rana Abdelhamid on Twitter: "If my primary job was defending Andrew Cuomo, I'd be looking for an excuse to talk about literally anything else too.

This unhinged statement is beneath anyone claiming to represent Democrats -- it could have been written by Donald Trump. #NY12 (link)" / Twitter
 
Democratic Socialist Rana Abdelhamid Takes On a New York Incumbent | The Nation
“Rising rent costs in our neighborhood also pushed us out of our home and so I came to organizing both from a class perspective and also just growing up post-9/11 as a Muslim New Yorker,” Abdelhamid said. “My neighborhood community was a community that was targeted specifically by the NYPD. We had informants in our community centers and mosques, we had stop-and-frisk, we had surveillance and deportations and random detentions, so for me, a lot of that really politicized me at a young age.”

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Maloney isn’t as outwardly conservative as some of the other Democratic incumbents the left has targeted. She’s a member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus and touts that she’s a “proud longtime supporter” of Medicare for All. But many aspects of her congressional career, like her strong support of aggressive policing tactics and tough-on-crime legislation and her opposition to the 2015 Iran nuclear agreement have become political liabilities in recent years. Abdelhamid is also trying to make the case that Maloney, who is a millionaire and rakes in cash from a range of corporate interests, isn’t fighting for the interests of working-class people.
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The New York Post has an article on her that calls her anti-cop.

Back in 2020, CM won the primary by 42.7%. The others were Suraj Patel 39.3%, Lauren Ashcraft 13.6%, and Peter Harrison 4.2%.

In 2018, CM got 49.6%, SP 40.4%.

Neither LA nor PH seem to be running this time around, though Indiana Catfish SP is doing so.
 
 
In LA-02, Karen Carter Peterson got an impressive set of progressive endorsements.
KarenCarterPeterson on Twitter: "Flex Your Right New Orleans... Vote TODAY! See you at the polls 👋🏽 #LA02 #OrleansParish (links)" / Twitter

Several local and state politicians, and also Sen. Elizabeth Warren, Rep. AOC, Nina Turner, Stacey Abrams, and Donna Brazile.

(from:TeamKCP) AOC - Twitter Search / Twitter

KarenCarterPeterson on Twitter: "I'm so grateful to have @AOC's endorsement, a fighter for working people who inspires me daily.
She knows that it's not enough to keep electing Democrats who will nibble at the edges of change.
This is our time for the bold action we need for #LA02. (link)" / Twitter

KarenCarterPeterson on Twitter: "I’m honored to have the support of Congresswoman @CoriBush, a progressive champion on the front lines for people. She is a sister in the work and knows complacency cannot be the standard. Let’s shatter this ceiling together. #LA02 (link)" / Twitter

Jamaal Bowman on Twitter: "I'm proud to endorse @TeamKCP for Congress in Louisiana's 2nd District.
She's a fighter for Medicare for All, for gender equity, and for all of us.
Let's go! (link)" / Twitter

Ed Markey on Twitter: "I am endorsing Louisiana State Senator Karen Carter Peterson because she is a bold progressive who will fight for Medicare for All, a $15 minimum wage, and the Green New Deal in Congress. Help get out the vote with @TeamKCP today: (links)" / Twitter

Primary School (Now Fully 5G) on Twitter: "here it is. @AsInMarx found that dozens of Republican politicians and big donors have funded Dem state Sen. Troy Carter's campaign to the tune of over $100,000—a very different image than Carter would like to present as he faces progressive @TeamKCP (link)" / Twitter

Louisiana Republicans Might Win a Democratic Runoff - Primary School (formerly Primaries for Progress)
We’re not going to bury the lede here: Republicans are trying to win a special election for Louisiana's 2nd Congressional District, a gerrymandered tentacle that collects every Black voter in the New Orleans and Baton Rouge areas, and which voted for Biden by a margin of over 50%. It's not that they're trying to put a Republican in this seat (though that did actually happen in this district’s predecessor, after one of the weirdest congressional elections of the 2000s.) Instead, they're coalescing behind one of the Democrats in the race: state Senator Troy Carter. With a House majority narrow enough to make every vote crucial to the Biden administration’s ability to pass things like its infrastructure package and DC statehood, the Biden orbit’s preferred candidate in a deep-blue district is eagerly accepting Republican money and Republican endorsements. House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn, who by virtue of his 2020 primary endorsement probably bears more responsibility than any other individual for Biden becoming president, decided to get involved in this race on Carter’s behalf; erstwhile incumbent Cedric Richmond was a longtime Biden booster and confidante before his appointment to a role in the Biden administration, and he endorsed Carter before he even got around to actually resigning his seat. Maybe the White House is okay with this; Biden, after all, is no progressive. But Carter’s Republican support calls into question whether he can even be counted on to back Biden administration priorities such as corporate tax hikes and green infrastructure, both of which have already enraged the Republican-aligned corporate and fossil fuel interests investing heavily in Carter’s campaign.
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Louisiana Special Election: What To Know About The House Race : NPR
Two Louisiana state senators will go head-to-head in a runoff election Saturday that will determine who will succeed a White House adviser in the U.S. House.

State Sens. Karen Carter Peterson and Troy Carter, both Democrats, will compete for the 2nd Congressional District seat left vacant by Cedric Richmond, whom President Biden tapped to serve as the White House's director of public engagement.

The majority-Black district includes most of New Orleans.
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TC got 36% and KCP 23%, barely above activist Gary Chambers Jr.

Endorsements - Troy Carter for Congress - mainly centrists with somewhat progressive ones like Ro Khanna.
 
TC's support:
Three members of the Louisiana state Senate's Republican caucus contributed to Carter's campaign: "Big Mike" Fesi, a zealous supporter of the oil and gas industry even by Louisiana standards, who is currently trying to prevent the Biden administration from enacting environmental regulations; J. Rogers Pope, has previously described disability rights enforcement as “intimidation”, and who took the time in his most recent election to let voters know that a one-time procedural vote to advance a bill doesn’t change his opposition to Medicaid expansion; and Tea Party-affiliated Bodi White, who held a rally with Trump as a candidate. Ex-State Rep. Joe Toomy left the legislature a while ago, but has stayed active in right-wing causes. Three more donors— Kirk Lepine, Clint Cointment, and Ricky Templet—have parish-level elected positions. (Parishes, we should note, are the Louisiana equivalent of counties.)

That’s just the actual elected Republican officials. There’s also the Republican donor class. Troy Carter’s campaign fillings are riddled with regular Republican donors.
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KCP lost, sad to say. In the election last Saturday, TC got 55.2% and KCP 44.8%.

In the first round, the candidates got these vote pcts:
TC 36.4%, KCP 22.9%, GC 21.3%, others 9.8%, 3.4%, 2.5%, 0.8%, 0.7%, 0.6%, 0.4%, 0.3%, 0.3%, 0.3%, 0.1%, 0.1%

Scaling TC's and KCP's votes for them alone, I find TC 61.4%, KCP 38.6%. So KCP did a little better in the second election than in the first one.
 
Primary School (formerly Primaries for Progress)
Mondaire Jones NY-17 now has his own PAC:
Mondaire Jones on Twitter: "For too long, our elected representatives have not looked like us, loved like us, or fought for us, because they don’t live like us.

Today, I'm launching Policy Is Personal PAC to help elect more leaders who will pursue bold policy solutions to our nation's greatest challenges." / Twitter
Endorsing KCP and Nina Turner.

EMILY's List also endorsed KCP.

That page has an article on Jim Cooper, the TN-02 incumbent that Odessa Kelly is now challenging. He helped kill Clintoncare back in 1994.

OK may have more success than a previous challenger, but the article points out that TN-02 may end up gerrymandered out of recognition.
 
lpetrich said:
Primary School (formerly Primaries for Progress)
Mondaire Jones NY-17 now has his own PAC:
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Not that guy again! Btw, I though he was a woman at first, based on the name. It really sounds like a chick's name!


Mondaire Jones on Twitter: "For too long, our elected representatives have not looked like us, loved like us, or fought for us, because they don’t live like us.
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Racist much? Or why else is he obsessed with "elected representatives" looking like him?
As to "not living like us", who is he trying to bullshit? First off, he is now living like a Congressman as he is one of them, with all the benefits of the position. And second, it's not like this lawyer was not enjoying a fancy standard of living even before bamboozling people of NY-17 to vote for him.


Today, I'm launching Policy Is Personal PAC to help elect more leaders who will pursue bold policy solutions to our nation's greatest challenges." / Twitter[/url]
Endorsing KCP and Nina Turner.

EMILY's List also endorsed KCP.
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Kentavious Caldwell-Pope?

That page has an article on Jim Cooper, the TN-02 incumbent that Odessa Kelly is now challenging. He helped kill Clintoncare back in 1994.

OK may have more success than a previous challenger, but the article points out that TN-02 may end up gerrymandered out of recognition.
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I thought Odessa Kelly was challenging Jim Cooper in the 5th.

Also, isn't naming your kid "Odessa" blatant cultural appropriation of Ukrainian culture?
 
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Democratic Socialist Rana Abdelhamid Takes On a New York Incumbent | The Nation
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I have noticed that there are SOOOOO many Muslims among the ranks of Democratic Socialists. Of course the alliance of political Islam and Leftism has a long history. Marxist and Islamist groups worked together to overthrow the pro-Western Shah government in Iran, resulting in the theocracy that is running the place today. Leftist German terrorists worked with Palestinian terrorists to hijack an El Al plane to Entebbe, Uganda. And so on.

“Rising rent costs in our neighborhood also pushed us out of our home and so I came to organizing both from a class perspective and also just growing up post-9/11 as a Muslim New Yorker,” Abdelhamid said.
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The rent prices are a result of supply and demand. If the rent is too damn high in Manhattan, move to Westchester County or something and take the Hudson Line or New Haven Line or something.

“My neighborhood community was a community that was targeted specifically by the NYPD. We had informants in our community centers and mosques, we had stop-and-frisk, we had surveillance and deportations and random detentions, so for me, a lot of that really politicized me at a young age.”
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Your community also blew up the World Trade Center after trying to blow it up before. Your community also committed a number of terrorist attacks since:
2017 - bombing in the Times Square subway station - the perpetrator survived and was sentenced to life in federal prison last week
2017 - a "truck of peace" attack in the Lower Manhattan
2016 - pressure cooker bombs in Chelsea/Manhattan and also NJ
2015 - two separate attempted pressure cooker bombing that did not get past the planning stage apparently
2014 - stabbing murder of two police officers (this one overlaps with #BLM)
2014 - hatchet attack on police officers in Queens
2010 - attempted car bombing in Times Square
2009 - planned bombings of synagogues and Stinger attack against a air force base in suburban NYC
2004 - attempted bombing of a Manhattan subway station

And probably others, just in NYC and its environs. Quite a resume for a community that is only a few percent of the population. If anything, we are not surveilling mosques, etc. enough!

But many aspects of her congressional career, like her strong support of aggressive policing tactics and tough-on-crime legislation and her opposition to the 2015 Iran nuclear agreement have become political liabilities in recent years.
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Both of these are quite sensible positions though, as unpopular as they are among fauxgressives.

Abdelhamid is also trying to make the case that Maloney, who is a millionaire and rakes in cash from a range of corporate interests,
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As opposed to those, like Patrisse Cullors, who have become millionaires by raking in cash from supposedly non-profit ventures?

Neither LA nor PH seem to be running this time around, though Indiana Catfish SP is doing so.
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Indiana catfish? What? Did he use fake photos? Or what makes him a catfish?
In any case, I hope he runs and splits the far left vote. Maloney may not be perfect, but she is by far the lesser of the evils.
 
Derec said:
As to "not living like us", who is he trying to bullshit? First off, he is now living like a Congressman as he is one of them, with all the benefits of the position. And second, it's not like this lawyer was not enjoying a fancy standard of living even before bamboozling people of NY-17 to vote for him.
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Let's see. AOC is bad because she was a bartender -- lower middle class. MJ is bad because he was a lawyer -- upper middle class.

Derec, what class origin will you not object to?
Today, I'm launching Policy Is Personal PAC to help elect more leaders who will pursue bold policy solutions to our nation's greatest challenges." / Twitter[/url]
Endorsing KCP and Nina Turner.

EMILY's List also endorsed KCP.
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Kentavious Caldwell-Pope?
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Karen Carter Peterson

I thought Odessa Kelly was challenging Jim Cooper in the 5th.
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Oops. Typo.
 
lpetrich said:
Let's see. AOC is bad because she was a bartender -- lower middle class.
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That doesn't make her bad. Perhaps underqualified, but not bad per se.
What is bad about her resume is that she went to a very expensive school to get an economics degree and then did not use it, preferring a bartending job that allowed her to gallivant all over the place (e.g. driving 2000 miles to North Dakota to protest against oil) being an activist. She also doesn't seem to have understood any of the material she supposedly learned, or else she would not be a socialist.

MJ is bad because he was a lawyer -- upper middle class.
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That doesn't make him bad. What makes him bad is pretending he was somehow of the working class and wasn't already living the high-on-the-hog lifestyle years before joining Congress.

Derec, what class origin will you not object to?
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I am not objecting to anybody's class origin, but Modare Jones plays fast and lose with his background, pretending he was some kind of working class hero with his "[they] don't live like us". Who is "us", Modaire? He was already living like them long before he ran for Congress!

Kentavious Caldwell-Pope?
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Karen Carter Peterson
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Thanks. I googled "KCP" and all I got was the basketball player for top results. Even the wiki page for  KCP only gives his, a couple of communist parties (how fitting!) and some other irrelevant things.
 
About AOC,
Derec said:
She also doesn't seem to have understood any of the material she supposedly learned, or else she would not be a socialist.
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Define "socialism".

I know that AOC calls herself a socialist, but what she calls "socialism" is working people having dignity in the workplace. She also calls "capitalism" an ideology that makes acquiring profit a priority above everything else. Rather atypical uses of those words, it must be pointed out.
 
lpetrich said:
About AOC,
Define "socialism".
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An economic system where, in the main, means of production are publicly owned. It can involve direct state ownership and control of means of production or something more convoluted, like  workers' self-management, which is I think the model of socialism favored by Democratic Socialists of America.
Marxist socialism generally involves the belief that socialist societies will eventually evolve into communist ones, where the very notion of a state has withered into non-existence and irrelevance. That explains jokes like these:
Radio Yerevan said:
Q: "When the final phase of socialism, namely communism, is built, will there still be thefts and pilfering?"
A: "No, because everything will be already pilfered during socialism."

Q: "We are told that the communism is already seen at the horizon. Then, what is a horizon?"
A: "Horizon is an imaginary line which moves away each time you approach it."
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I know that AOC calls herself a socialist, but what she calls "socialism" is working people having dignity in the workplace. She also calls "capitalism" an ideology that makes acquiring profit a priority above everything else. Rather atypical uses of those words, it must be pointed out.
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Yes, but she is also a member of the Democratic Socialists of America, and they believe in socialism as public ownership of means of production. AOC may be confused, but people pulling the strings at DSA most certainly are not.

And this is another reason why I think AOC is not very bright. Very good formal education, sure, but not really very intelligent. That's what you get when college admissions are decided by race, ethnicity and gender instead of just by individual merit.
 
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