Woke is white arrogance

[TomC]

This Forums own Politesse makes plenty of Woke posts.

I've pointedly avoided naming names. P is not the only one.
Tom

 

[Politesse]

Accusing me of social awareness is the weirdest "insult"! Will you try to hurt my widdle feelings by calling me a social justice warrior, next? Or anti-fascist?

I don't believe most of the nonsense you claim that "Woke" people do, but if you think I'm scared or offended by the word itself, I am not.

 

[TomC]

Accusing me of social awareness is the weirdest "insult"! Will you try to hurt my widdle feelings by calling me a social justice warrior, next? Or anti-fascist?

I don't believe most of the nonsense you claim that "Woke" people do, but if you think I'm scared or offended by the word itself, I am not.

Your smug self righteousness isn't news.
Tom

 

[ZiprHead]

I'm pretty sure that native Americans are more upset about being relegated to reserves and having their ancestors murdered rather than what words you use to call them. There's no culturally sensitive way to paper over that lil' transgression.

Are you trying to out-woke me? If I was a better woke I probably would have used this idiotic red-herring on you when you brought up the topic of "Indian" vs "Native American" in the first place.

You put your finger on the issue. Woke is competitive consciousness. It's about who can show they're the most empathic. Because it's a competition they reduce everything to that which can be compared and quantified, and then they use that as a proxy for being the most empathic and compassionate. Missing the entire point of empathy and compassion. They're so busy being empathic that they stop actually being empathic. Instead they become mean and petty. They become everything they're supposed to NOT be. That's why woke is a social poison.

Can you provide a real life example of this? Something that can be verified.

 

[Gospel]

Maybe DrZoidberg saw this video and instead of posting in the Youtube comments section, decided to make a thread here about being woke for clout? If so I can hardly blame him.
[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxMRBKvVplM[/YOUTUBE]

 

[Emily Lake]

I'd argue that wokeism has nothing to do with awereness and empathy for other ethicities and cultures. If they did that they'd ask representatives of these other ethnicities and cultures what they'd like. But that's not as fun using them as a baseball bat in a political proxy battle among priviliged whites. It's just something woke people say they care about. I've yet to see any evidence woke people actually care about brown people. What's their action plan? Awareness alone doesn't fix shit.

The action plan seems to be "defund the police", which is something generally NOT supported by minorities in the US.

 

[Emily Lake]

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I see the woke and the proud boys as symptoms of the same problem. Just because wokes aren't murdering people doesn't mean they aren't causing damage. Free speech and free expression is the foundation of western democracy. Wokes are often attacking this. That's not harmless.

This is where the influence of critical theory comes into the mix. One of the underlying objectives of critical theory is to challenge and revoke the foundations of liberal democracy.

 

[Emily Lake]

I'm pretty sure that native Americans are more upset about being relegated to reserves and having their ancestors murdered rather than what words you use to call them. There's no culturally sensitive way to paper over that lil' transgression.

Are you trying to out-woke me? If I was a better woke I probably would have used this idiotic red-herring on you when you brought up the topic of "Indian" vs "Native American" in the first place.

All of you fail. The truly enlightened know that it's "first nations peoples". <smug face>

 

[Politesse]

Accusing me of social awareness is the weirdest "insult"! Will you try to hurt my widdle feelings by calling me a social justice warrior, next? Or anti-fascist?

I don't believe most of the nonsense you claim that "Woke" people do, but if you think I'm scared or offended by the word itself, I am not.

Your smug self righteousness isn't news.
Tom

"Smug"? But also self-hating according to the conservative portrayal of the Wokes, yes? So I hate myself and want myself and all other white people to be enslaved to the whims of an evil Black/Jewish/atheist conspiracy, but am also smug and self-righteous about it? Is that the claim?

I'm curious, how would I prove that I wasn't "smug"?

 

[Gospel]

Accusing me of social awareness is the weirdest "insult"! Will you try to hurt my widdle feelings by calling me a social justice warrior, next? Or anti-fascist?

I don't believe most of the nonsense you claim that "Woke" people do, but if you think I'm scared or offended by the word itself, I am not.

Your smug self righteousness isn't news.
Tom

"Smug"? But also self-hating according to the conservative portrayal of the Wokes, yes? So I hate myself and want myself and all other white people to be enslaved to the whims of an evil Black/Jewish/atheist conspiracy, but am also smug and self-righteous about it? Is that the claim?

That sounds awfully kinky.

 

[Politesse]

"Smug"? But also self-hating according to the conservative portrayal of the Wokes, yes? So I hate myself and want myself and all other white people to be enslaved to the whims of an evil Black/Jewish/atheist conspiracy, but am also smug and self-righteous about it? Is that the claim?

That sounds awfully kinky.

If you think that's kinky, you should see my clubbing boots.

 

[RVonse]

Because as a rule the type of people who use such terms get all their opinions from youtube clips and are pretty monolithic. Honestly, when you talk about political correctness or being woke you are pretty much quoting Jordan Peterson or Eric Weinstein verbatim. And it's the same shitty fucking arguments. Much like the tired freedom of speech arguments, criticism against "woke" can be boiled down to, "I want to be an offensive cunt with zero consequences and people are calling me out. Waagh!"

I don't think I am. I think Jordan Peterson is a clown. I'm in the opposite ideological corner. Same deal with Eric Weinstein. I think conservatives suck. What I dislike about wokes and SJW's is that they're making my side look bad.

I think you've completely misunderstood who I am and why I'm saying the things I am. I'm a left progressive.

Bruh, you're in a different country so you gotta say it like "I'm a left progressive, Denmark style" then do a dance or something.

 

[RVonse]

I love Zizek. Here's a great video where he puts the finger on the problem of woke. Since only the priviliged need to humble themselves in the woke ideology, acting humble and virtue signalling is just another way to say that you are superior. That's of course why it's so popular. Who doesn't want to go around telling everybody how awesome they are? What could possibly be more of an ego boost. other than to literally do it?

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIeZZ3vNsvM[/YOUTUBE]

Sweden has an extreme equality culture (called the law of Jante). You can always tell whoever has the most status by that they're the ones kissing the most ass and humbling themselves the most. It's the same logic behind woke.

It's 100% fake and disingenuous.

Woke IS racism.

These have also been called luxury beliefs, as material items no longer distinguish the rich from the poor. Those who espouse these beliefs don’t bear the costs of these beliefs; e.g., the “defund the police” crowd who live in safe or gated communities or who have personal security; or the White liberal who publicly bemoans the lack of racial diversity in his profession or field but never offers to resign so a non-White can take his place.

In addition to what you just said, these beliefs are also heavily taught in liberal institutions. And today there are far too many over educated people competing for too few good paying jobs. These people really can't brag about their money or their penis size (which they really don't have that much of anyway) so they brag to each other about what they learned in school.

 

[Elixir]

today there are far too many over educated people competing for too few good paying jobs.

Yeah we be needs MORE IGNERINTS!
How else ya gonna git 'em to vote fer Trump or any other paytreet?

It is funny how stupid people want more people to be stupid, smart people want more people to be smart, ignorant people want more people to be ignorant and educated people want more people to be educated...

oh ... who to believe, who to believe...???

(HINT: if this is a problem for you, you have given away the category to which you belong)

 

[RVonse]

today there are far too many over educated people competing for too few good paying jobs.

Yeah we be needs MORE IGNERINTS!
How else ya gonna git 'em to vote fer Trump or any other paytreet?

It is funny how stupid people want more people to be stupid, smart people want more people to be smart, ignorant people want more people to be ignorant and educated people want more people to be educated...

oh ... who to believe, who to believe...???

(HINT: if this is a problem for you, you have given away the category to which you belong)

Following your logic I should want more educated people since I am highly educated. But I did not say there should be less education anyway. I said there are too many educated people competing for too few high paying jobs. And I was (and am) right about that.

 

[untermensche]

Some people like to label having a coherent morality as having smug self-righteousness.

I am opposed to rapists. I don't take any of their arguments seriously.

I am not being smug or self-righteous.

I am expressing a morality that recognizes harm.

The same with people opposed to universal health care.

I don't take their immorality seriously.

Like I don't take anti-vaxxers (irresponsible children) seriously.

Morality gives one ground to stand on to make judgments.

Having a morality and condemning those without one is not self righteousness.

 

[Elixir]

today there are far too many over educated people competing for too few good paying jobs.

Yeah we be needs MORE IGNERINTS!
How else ya gonna git 'em to vote fer Trump or any other paytreet?

It is funny how stupid people want more people to be stupid, smart people want more people to be smart, ignorant people want more people to be ignorant and educated people want more people to be educated...

oh ... who to believe, who to believe...???

(HINT: if this is a problem for you, you have given away the category to which you belong)

Following your logic I should want more educated people since I am highly educated.

Oh? It didn't seem to take. You might be a font of knowledge, but you're still vulnerable to the appeal of simplistic propaganda.
Of all the stuff "they" taught you, discerning truth doesn't appear to have been one of them.
That you don't want more educated people, looks like a straightforward wish to deny people an advantage that you have had, excused by a fallacious assumption that we need more participants in the "serf" class. Quite a bit of that can be expected from the elite "overeducated" on the far right.
But I'm sure you believe you have the collective "good" in mind.

 

[Elixir]

I said there are too many educated people competing for too few high paying jobs. And I was (and am) right about that.

Sorry - was called away... to finish my last post:
Too many educated people competing for too few high paying jobs can logically be solved by either reducing the number of educated people, or by paying more to people. You said you don't want fewer educated people - even though you said there were too many of them competing. Either you don't want them educated or you don't want them competing. You just said you are not opposing education, so... you don't want them competing. Paying them more to do the jobs they can get is the only other solution. Fantasizing that your right wing unfettered capitalist approach will somehow give all those educated people CEO pay is ... fantasizing.
You must favor a high minimum wage and taxing high income individuals, right?
Or do you favor the right wing Betsy DeVos approach to "educating" people (i.e. keeping them ignorant)?

 

[KeepTalking]

These people really can't brag about their money or their penis size (which they really don't have that much of anyway) so they brag to each other about what they learned in school.

Good to know nothing has changed since I was in college. A young man has to get laid some how, and what else you got at that point? Of course in my experience, shit like politics was not the way to go if you really wanted to get laid. You had to learn something about poetry and literature, and brag about that.

I am actually fascinated that you find bragging about what you learned in school to be a negative trait. What in your mind is worth bragging about, if not educating one self?

 

[lpetrich]

... or the White liberal who publicly bemoans the lack of racial diversity in his profession or field but never offers to resign so a non-White can take his place.

That's like defending antebellum-South plantation slavery by saying that its opponents are all well-off people who can easily pay more for cotton clothes. Something like "I work for my living. I've never seen any of those so-called abolitionists do a day's work in their lives. Those lazy whiners live off of inheritances and they can easily afford to pay more for clothes, but I can't."