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"evil" one percent capitalists that you admire?

The system is evil and will, if not properly regulated, lead to a self sustaining aristocracy of money.

Individuals within the corrupt system are not the problem, nor do they lead to a solution.

But the system permits the rare genius to shine.

There is the occasional flower that grows in the dung heap.
 
The system is evil and will, if not properly regulated, lead to a self sustaining aristocracy of money.

Individuals within the corrupt system are not the problem, nor do they lead to a solution.

But the system permits the rare genius to shine.

There is the occasional flower that grows in the dung heap.

I'm looking for a list of the "occasional flowers" not an economic debate.
 
The system is evil and will, if not properly regulated, lead to a self sustaining aristocracy of money.

Individuals within the corrupt system are not the problem, nor do they lead to a solution.

But the system permits the rare genius to shine.

There is the occasional flower that grows in the dung heap.

I'm looking for a list of the "occasional flowers" not an economic debate.

There is innovation going on all the time.

Most of the people behind it are invisible because they work for some corporation that owns the innovation.
 
I'm looking for a list of the "occasional flowers" not an economic debate.

There is innovation going on all the time.

Most of the people behind it are invisible because they work for some corporation that owns the innovation.

Then they are NOT capitalists. They use their brilliance to get a safe paycheck. This thread is not about innovation, can't you read?
 
Thomas Edison: Most noted for the light bulb. Had a long string of inventions. Created the first research lab, Menlo Park. Probably an atheist. I think he had some goofy ideas on commodity money...no one is perfect.

When I was in second grade I saw the recreation of Menlo Park at the Henry Ford Museum. It was the greatest thing I'd seen up to that point in my life.
 
There is innovation going on all the time.

Most of the people behind it are invisible because they work for some corporation that owns the innovation.

Then they are NOT capitalists. They use their brilliance to get a safe paycheck. This thread is not about innovation, can't you read?

So if you get a paycheck it isn't innovation?

Most innovation is not owned by the innovators.

That is capitalism. It seeks to exploit all things.
 
Are you brain damaged? I never said you can't be innovative by getting a pay check. If you want a debate start another thread.
 
Thomas Edison: Most noted for the light bulb. Had a long string of inventions. Created the first research lab, Menlo Park. Probably an atheist. I think he had some goofy ideas on commodity money...no one is perfect.

When I was in second grade I saw the recreation of Menlo Park at the Henry Ford Museum. It was the greatest thing I'd seen up to that point in my life.

I agree that Thomas Edison was more good than bad. He stooped very low, though, in his propaganda and lies against alternating current.
 
I admire Warren Buffet. His actions have helped strengthen and improve companies that everyone else has considered boring. He has a good philosophy and has dedicated to donating almost all his wealth to charity and foundations when he passes away.
 
^^^ Did that involve Nikola Tesla? I know he did AC and got screwed somehow. There seems to be a cloud of conspiracy shit around Tesla...what's up with that?
 
In history: Rockefeller, Vanderbilt and especially J.P. Hill. Ford. Coors.

Today: Koch brothers. Jamie Dimon. Steve Wynn.
 
^^^ Did that involve Nikola Tesla? I know he did AC and got screwed somehow. There seems to be a cloud of conspiracy shit around Tesla...what's up with that?

There are stories involving Tesla and his role in improving AC and a supposed promise to reward Tesla when he was a GE employee for his improvements to GE technology that were never fulfilled (Tesla would later move on to work for Westinghouse after being screwed by GE), but it's primarily a story of GE vs Westinghouse. Westinghouse was promoting and selling AC generators and transmission infrastructure for AC, while GE was doing the same for DC. Objectively, AC is way superior for transmission, yet the propaganda and lies from GE with the authorization of Edison delayed it's widespread implementation. It went as far as GE publicly electrocuting several animals to death to demonstrate the "dangers" of AC and heavily lobbying government to implement laws and regulations that would favor DC over AC.
 
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I admire Warren Buffet. His actions have helped strengthen and improve companies that everyone else has considered boring. He has a good philosophy and has dedicated to donating almost all his wealth to charity and foundations when he passes away.
I hate him and it seems people select capitalists which created something which he is not.
I like Musk, he seems no bullshit kind of guy, but he is a bit overrated. He is a great 1-percenter capitalist but he is no inventor like Tesla or Edison were.
 
I admire Warren Buffet. His actions have helped strengthen and improve companies that everyone else has considered boring. He has a good philosophy and has dedicated to donating almost all his wealth to charity and foundations when he passes away.
I hate him and it seems people select capitalists which created something which he is not.
I like Musk, he seems no bullshit kind of guy, but he is a bit overrated. He is a great 1-percenter capitalist but he is no inventor like Tesla or Edison were.

Hate? Why? I like Buffet for all the reasons Axulus noted. You can "create" a company or "invent" a business method.
 
I hate him and it seems people select capitalists which created something which he is not.
I like Musk, he seems no bullshit kind of guy, but he is a bit overrated. He is a great 1-percenter capitalist but he is no inventor like Tesla or Edison were.

Hate? Why? I like Buffet for all the reasons Axulus noted. You can "create" a company or "invent" a business method.
Buffet did neither. He has not made life better in any way. He is a glorified stock market monkey.
 
About a year ago I had a heated disagreement with a conservative friend, and successful "creative capitalist", on a similar subject. While he (wrongly) insisted that market success is the only criteria for admiring someone's accomplishments, I insisted that presumes that the market (the many) is the final moral definer of who is admirable. Bibly, who is someone I rarely agree with, is on the right track.

For 'the most admirable' I tend to discount those in the 1 percent who:

- Made money in hedge funds and the stock market. While there are some very bright fellows who are traders, skilled gambling and shrewd trades of 'shares' is less than inspiring for those seeking something truly admirable.

- Made money in currency speculation and/or manipulation. I rate these fellows BELOW the stock market sharpies.

- Made money by guessing the latest Internet - Technology trend, and getting rich 'overnight' with a venture capitalist sugar daddy.

- Made money in "soft" cyber products such as search engines, phone apps, etc. These 'intangible' products, are often widely profitable NOT because they are intellectually challenging but because of a single seed idea and fortuitous timing.


I do tend to admire those who earned their wealth in tangible and difficult products and services, especially in mature economic sectors. Rather than falling ass backwards into a pile of money, folks who become wealthy from years of sweat and risk in energy production, transportation, shipping, construction, retail, etc. are far more likely to have 'paid their dues'. They faced years of risk, difficult management and company building, usually in the face of fierce competition.

I would tend to admire the first guy to develop a profitable fraking technology a heck of a lot more than the first guy who developed the first social media page.
 
I admire Warren Buffet. His actions have helped strengthen and improve companies that everyone else has considered boring. He has a good philosophy and has dedicated to donating almost all his wealth to charity and foundations when he passes away.
I hate him and it seems people select capitalists which created something which he is not.
I like Musk, he seems no bullshit kind of guy, but he is a bit overrated. He is a great 1-percenter capitalist but he is no inventor like Tesla or Edison were.
Edison was hardly a Tesla! Edison used other people's ideas. Tesla was a scientist and an engineer. Musk is a visionary and able to put teams together to accomplish great tasks. Creating an automobile company as quickly as he did is nothing short of a miracle.

And we aren't talking 1%ers here. We are talking the 0.01%ers, maybe even richer. A doctor is a 1%er.

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I admire none of the 1% any more than I admire anybody else with a serious addiction problem.
Doctors?
 
My favorite 1%er is the single mom or dad that doesn't give up in the struggle to keep themselves and their kids fed, clothed and sheltered without any fanfare.

Oh . . . you meant the top 1%?

Fuck those guys . . . except maybe the doctors as Jimmy pointed out.
 
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