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So, First Nations are burning down churches in Canada, and I can't find a reason to not condone the violence.
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Canadian authorities are investigating multiple fires that destroyed four Catholic churches on Indigenous land in the past week.

They are the latest in a string of recent events affecting the country's Indigenous communities. The churches were destroyed as Canada confronts its history of systemic abuse of Indigenous communities with the recent discoveries of hundreds of human remains at the sites of two former boarding schools, which were operated by Catholic religious groups.
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In general, violence begets violence, but the near silence from the Vatican regarding the open secret about what happened at Aboriginal schools run by the Catholic Church, in light of the discovery of unmarked graves and mass graves really makes one think that a pound of metaphorical flesh is called for.

The fires have occurred late, and I'm not aware of any injuries. The dehumanizing treatment of aboriginal populations at these schools, where children were sent after being torn from their homes, in the US and Canada in the 19th and 20th centuries was reprehensible. And there is little the Catholic Church can do to make it right because the whole point was to dehumanize these people and make them reborn to Christianity. That was what they thought was a noble goal.

I think violence is wrong, burning down buildings is wrong, and the Catholic Church has it coming from a population segment that they did so much wrong to, and appear content on remaining silent in response and action.
 
While the Church's conduct is atrocious I don't see how simply being silent about it now warrants burning down churches. (Now, if the problem were ongoing that would be another matter.)
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
In general, violence begets violence, but the near silence from the Vatican regarding the open secret about what happened at Aboriginal schools run by the Catholic Church, in light of the discovery of unmarked graves and mass graves really makes one think that a pound of metaphorical flesh is called for.
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It does not make "one" think any such thing, it makes you think that.
 
Metaphor said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
In general, violence begets violence, but the near silence from the Vatican regarding the open secret about what happened at Aboriginal schools run by the Catholic Church, in light of the discovery of unmarked graves and mass graves really makes one think that a pound of metaphorical flesh is called for.
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It does not make "one" think any such thing, it makes you think that.
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Not just JH. I strongly suspect the arsonist(s) think it as well.
 
Loren Pechtel said:
While the Church's conduct is atrocious I don't see how simply being silent about it now warrants burning down churches. (Now, if the problem were ongoing that would be another matter.)
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They murdered children either through neglect or abuse. That was the mission statement. The children were stolen from their families and murdered. Then buried like inconvenient refuse.

Some lucky ones were just tortured by systemic neglect and abuse.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
Loren Pechtel said:
While the Church's conduct is atrocious I don't see how simply being silent about it now warrants burning down churches. (Now, if the problem were ongoing that would be another matter.)
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They murdered children either through neglect or abuse. That was the mission statement. The children were stolen from their families and murdered. Then buried like inconvenient refuse.

Some lucky ones were just tortured by systemic neglect and abuse.
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Which is why a “meh” or “it’s hard to feel bad” is an understandable reaction.
 
Loren Pechtel said:
While the Church's conduct is atrocious I don't see how simply being silent about it now warrants burning down churches. (Now, if the problem were ongoing that would be another matter.)
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The OP states that these churches are on indigenbous land. I feel that removing symbols of the trauma is probably a healthy reaction.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
So, First Nations are burning down churches in Canada, and I can't find a reason to not condone the violence.
article said:
Canadian authorities are investigating multiple fires that destroyed four Catholic churches on Indigenous land in the past week.

They are the latest in a string of recent events affecting the country's Indigenous communities. The churches were destroyed as Canada confronts its history of systemic abuse of Indigenous communities with the recent discoveries of hundreds of human remains at the sites of two former boarding schools, which were operated by Catholic religious groups.
Click to expand...

In general, violence begets violence, but the near silence from the Vatican regarding the open secret about what happened at Aboriginal schools run by the Catholic Church, in light of the discovery of unmarked graves and mass graves really makes one think that a pound of metaphorical flesh is called for.

The fires have occurred late, and I'm not aware of any injuries. The dehumanizing treatment of aboriginal populations at these schools, where children were sent after being torn from their homes, in the US and Canada in the 19th and 20th centuries was reprehensible. And there is little the Catholic Church can do to make it right because the whole point was to dehumanize these people and make them reborn to Christianity. That was what they thought was a noble goal.

I think violence is wrong, burning down buildings is wrong, and the Catholic Church has it coming from a population segment that they did so much wrong to, and appear content on remaining silent in response and action.
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It was one of the great crimes of the 19th and 20th century.

You know the Spanish were pretty damn bad. But in South America, you could at least argue the end result was ethnic syncretism, not ethnic cleansing like in North America.
 
Burning a church is a tactic.

If it accomplishes something it is a good tactic.

It is accomplishes nothing it is violent revenge.

The morality of tactics must be considered also.
 
Metaphor said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
In general, violence begets violence, but the near silence from the Vatican regarding the open secret about what happened at Aboriginal schools run by the Catholic Church, in light of the discovery of unmarked graves and mass graves really makes one think that a pound of metaphorical flesh is called for.
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It does not make "one" think any such thing, it makes you think that.
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Ah, yes. You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make him think.
 
Toni said:
Metaphor said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
In general, violence begets violence, but the near silence from the Vatican regarding the open secret about what happened at Aboriginal schools run by the Catholic Church, in light of the discovery of unmarked graves and mass graves really makes one think that a pound of metaphorical flesh is called for.
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It does not make "one" think any such thing, it makes you think that.
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Ah, yes. You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make him think.
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Yes, surprisingly not everyone shares your impulses for violent, extra-judicial vengeance.
 
Metaphor said:
Toni said:
Ah, yes. You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make him think.
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Yes, surprisingly not everyone shares your impulses for violent, extra-judicial vengeance.
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True. Those hundreds of children are not going to get any more dead than they are now.

It's not like the plight of children being abused by the church is known to move the church to acknowledge such abuse, much less apologize, make amends, change.

I mean, what would move the church to do anything about its long history of abusing and even killing children?

Because that would cost the church money.
 
Burning a few churches isn't going to change anything.

It will take more than just a few to get the attention of the Vatican.

A global hostile occupying force, that doesn't blink at genocide in pursuit of their agenda, should eventually see violent revolt. It's embarrassing that it's taken so long.
 
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Derec said:
untermensche said:
Burning a church is a tactic.
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It is not a "tactic", it is arson. And the perps need to be brought to justice.
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The perps ARE BEING brought to justice. If you don't understand that the Catholic Church are the perps, then you haven't been paying attention.

Justice isn't the same thing as obedience, lawfulness, or compliance.

Right wing Americans don't have clue one what justice and freedom even mean, do they?
 
Derec said:
TV and credit cards said:
Take the time to walk a mile in their moccasins.
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Gladly, if I also get to receive all the casino moneys as well as other benefits and preferential treatment Indians receive today.
I mean, all that is worth walking a mile in some sandals.
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You want to be paid to empathize with another’s distress and anger?
Or is it your position that financial success today is recompense for the attempts at cultural extermination of yesterday?
 
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