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I can't tell you if I'm vaccinated. That would violate HIPAA rules.' What an Idiot!

FFS with the quibbling.
- No one violated any rights by asking if she got the vaccine.
- As the patient, she can divulge any damn thing about her own medical information that she wants.
- The woman doesn't know what HIPAA even entails. She's fantasizing herself being on moral high ground when the reality is she's just a dumb zealot with nothing relevant or factual to say.
 
TomC said:
untermensche said:
How is it personal if 100 people watched me get it?
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It doesn't matter how many people know about it. It's personal medical information that is illegal for medical professionals to divulge.
Tom
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There is nothing personal about it.

If you go out and don't wear a mask and are honest you are telling everyone you've had the vaccine.
 
untermensche said:
Keith&Co. said:
untermensche said:
It is not personal medical information.
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No, it is. But HIPAA only applies to HIPAA-covered entities. Not to, say, the press.
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How is it personal if 100 people watched me get it?
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It's part of your medical history, so any of those people WHO ARE SUBJECT TO HIPAA RULES cannot discuss it, reveal it, hint at it.
The rest of the 100 can say all they want about seeing you there, seeing you stuck, seeing you faint at the sight of the needle, suddenly get WiFi reception thru your iinjection site, anything.
The nurse or doctor can neither confirm nor deny. Or the guy out front that directed parking. Or the guy that set up the LAN for the burse to record your appt.
 
Keith&Co. said:
untermensche said:
How is it personal if 100 people watched me get it?
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It's part of your medical history, so any of those people WHO ARE SUBJECT TO HIPAA RULES cannot discuss it, reveal it, hint at it.
The rest of the 100 can say all they want about seeing you there, seeing you stuck, seeing you faint at the sight of the needle, suddenly get WiFi reception thru your iinjection site, anything.
The nurse or doctor can neither confirm nor deny. Or the guy out front that directed parking. Or the guy that set up the LAN for the burse to record your appt.
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Since I did not hide the fact I was getting the vaccine from them and they are not in a medical relationship with me they are free to say what they saw to anyone.

They can say they saw a nurse stick a needle into a bottle and then stick that needle into me.

Can they say for certain I got the vaccine?
 
untermensche said:
Keith&Co. said:
untermensche said:
How is it personal if 100 people watched me get it?
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It's part of your medical history, so any of those people WHO ARE SUBJECT TO HIPAA RULES cannot discuss it, reveal it, hint at it.
The rest of the 100 can say all they want about seeing you there, seeing you stuck, seeing you faint at the sight of the needle, suddenly get WiFi reception thru your iinjection site, anything.
The nurse or doctor can neither confirm nor deny. Or the guy out front that directed parking. Or the guy that set up the LAN for the burse to record your appt.
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Since I did not hide the fact I was getting the vaccine from them and they are not in a medical relationship with me they are free to say what they saw to anyone.
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thsst's what we are saying, yes.
They can say they saw a nurse stick a needle into a bottle and then stick that needle into me.
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Sure
Can they say for certain I got the vaccine?
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They can say they saw you get microchipped, or vaccinated, or that the Lady Of The Vace drew the Syringe of Excaliber out of your arm, as long as by 'they' you mean anyone except those specified by HIPAA.
 
funinspace said:
TomC said:
untermensche said:
How is it personal if 100 people watched me get it?
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It doesn't matter how many people know about it. It's personal medical information that is illegal for medical professionals to divulge.
Tom
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Not just 'medical professionals', it's anyone involved with said entity...IT professionals included. That's a dozen plus years working on HR IT systems, as well as working in the IT shop of a medical insurance company, which all required annual refresher training. Fun with HIPAA, PHI, PII
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My sympathies.
I complete annual refresher training on
computer security (company),
computer security, (DoD)
other security (DoD)
HAZMAT,
and how to fill out my timesheet.

We covered PII once. Fun fun fun.
 
Keith&Co. said:
untermensche said:
Since I did not hide the fact I was getting the vaccine from them and they are not in a medical relationship with me they are free to say what they saw to anyone.
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thsst's what we are saying, yes.
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Who is this "we"?

That's not what some people are saying.

They are saying me getting a shot in public in front of people who do not have a professional relationship with me is a personal matter.

By getting the vaccine in public I have made it public knowledge.

When Biden got his shot in front of camera's he made the matter public.

Anybody can talk about it.
 
Keith&Co. said:
funinspace said:
Not just 'medical professionals', it's anyone involved with said entity...IT professionals included. That's a dozen plus years working on HR IT systems, as well as working in the IT shop of a medical insurance company, which all required annual refresher training. Fun with HIPAA, PHI, PII
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My sympathies.
I complete annual refresher training on
computer security (company),
computer security, (DoD)
other security (DoD)
HAZMAT,
and how to fill out my timesheet.

We covered PII once. Fun fun fun.
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LOL...yep, all fun stuff there, CACs and all, but I haven't done HAZMAT refreshers...the Civi Navy didn't care back when I was dabbling there.

I hated security refreshers, as the Security Weenies generally annoyed me. Gee, why the fuck did I have to explain to one of these certified...idiot...Infosec types that it wouldn't be a good idea to just uninstall OpenSSL/OpenSSH even though we had to patch it several times a year. WTF...go back to telnet? Or maybe just take all the servers off the network? I also luved the 60 day changing 15+ char passwords, with at least one CAP, one Meta char, and one numeric. But oh, keyboard patterns are not a problem...security nitwits.
 
Trausti said:
ideologyhunter said:
In a little over a year, the US has suffered about as many deaths from covid as we experienced in the entire Civil War, which is usually cited as the most traumatic tragedy in our entire history. And we STILL have these righties who spread the most ignorant notions about covid and the supposed government overreach on masks and vaccines. They show utter contempt for the health care providers. Their orange hero was covid's best friend. How does America produce these people? If I shared the beliefs of the Trumpies on guns, abortion, taxation, the election system, gay rights, and civil rights (a solid no on all 6), I would still -- hopefully -- have to reject the movement because of what they've done to America since the virus landed here. How would you like to be a nurse, doctor, or intern who had to treat one of these idiots as a fresh covid case? Marjorie: forget HIPAA and report directly to your death panel.
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Anti-Vaxxers Feed Off Democrats' Skepticism of COVID Vaccine
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% of Dems who have received at least their first covid vaccine shot: 86%
% of Repubs: 45%
Pretty slick point shaving, huh?
 
untermensche said:
Who is this "we"?
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everyone who is saying that your vaccination is Personal Medical Information covered by HIPAA
That's not what some people are saying.

They are saying me getting a shot in public in front of people who do not have a professional relationship with me is a personal matter.
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You're blurring the pronouns, then.
By getting the vaccine in public I have made it public knowledge.
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which does not change the fact that it's classified as PMI by the HIPAA rules
When Biden got his shot in front of camera's he made the matter public.
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Yep. But his vaccination status is still PMI.
Anybody can talk about it.
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Anybody not subject to HIPAA.
 
funinspace said:
I hated security refreshers, as the Security Weenies generally annoyed me. Gee, why the fuck did I have to explain to one of these certified...idiot...Infosec types that it wouldn't be a good idea to just uninstall OpenSSL/OpenSSH even though we had to patch it several times a year. WTF...go back to telnet? Or maybe just take all the servers off the network? I also luved the 60 day changing 15+ char passwords, with at least one CAP, one Meta char, and one numeric. But oh, keyboard patterns are not a problem...security nitwits.
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I do most of my govt work with Advanced Instruction Management software. My whole team does.
For years, every new hire in IT would see AIM on someone's laptop and freak that we had installed AOL Instant Messenger on a work computer
Luckily, no one in IT today has ever used AOL, and we stopped having to threaten their lives....
 
Keith&Co. said:
which does not change the fact that it's classified as PMI by the HIPAA rules
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HIPPA only applies to people that have a professional relationship to me.

Strangers that I let witness me get a vaccine have no restrictions under HIPPA.

Anybody can talk about it.
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Anybody not subject to HIPAA.
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No, anybody. He made it a public matter.

It is not personal information.
 
untermensche said:
HIPPA only applies to people that have a professional relationship to me.

Strangers that I let witness me get a vaccine have no restrictions under HIPPA.



Anybody not subject to HIPAA.
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No, anybody. He made it a public matter.

It is not personal information.
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The people who define HIPAA rules and PMI, with respect to HIPAA, say it's PMI. I do not understand the difficulty, here.
But, hey, you know, at some point you just gotta say, if it's that important to you that 2+2=5, you do you.
 
Keith&Co. said:
untermensche said:
HIPPA only applies to people that have a professional relationship to me.

Strangers that I let witness me get a vaccine have no restrictions under HIPPA.



Anybody not subject to HIPAA.
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No, anybody. He made it a public matter.

It is not personal information.
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The people who define HIPAA rules and PMI, with respect to HIPAA, say it's PMI. I do not understand the difficulty, here.
But, hey, you know, at some point you just gotta say, if it's that important to you that 2+2=5, you do you.
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I don't understand your difficulty.

Public acknowledgement of something makes it not personal information.

2 + 2 = 4
 
untermensche said:
Keith&Co. said:
The people who define HIPAA rules and PMI, with respect to HIPAA, say it's PMI. I do not understand the difficulty, here.
But, hey, you know, at some point you just gotta say, if it's that important to you that 2+2=5, you do you.
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I don't understand your difficulty.

Public acknowledgement of something makes it not personal information.

2 + 2 = 4
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Yep. You're absolutely right.
 
ideologyhunter said:
Trausti said:
ideologyhunter said:
In a little over a year, the US has suffered about as many deaths from covid as we experienced in the entire Civil War, which is usually cited as the most traumatic tragedy in our entire history. And we STILL have these righties who spread the most ignorant notions about covid and the supposed government overreach on masks and vaccines. They show utter contempt for the health care providers. Their orange hero was covid's best friend. How does America produce these people? If I shared the beliefs of the Trumpies on guns, abortion, taxation, the election system, gay rights, and civil rights (a solid no on all 6), I would still -- hopefully -- have to reject the movement because of what they've done to America since the virus landed here. How would you like to be a nurse, doctor, or intern who had to treat one of these idiots as a fresh covid case? Marjorie: forget HIPAA and report directly to your death panel.
Click to expand...

Anti-Vaxxers Feed Off Democrats' Skepticism of COVID Vaccine
Click to expand...

% of Dems who have received at least their first covid vaccine shot: 86%
% of Repubs: 45%
Pretty slick point shaving, huh?
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Now imagine an alternate timeline where Pfizer didn’t deliberately halt development to throw the election, the vaccine came out when expected, and Trump wins. Those numbers would be flipped.
 
Keith&Co. said:
For years, every new hire in IT would see AIM on someone's laptop and freak that we had installed AOL Instant Messenger on a work computer
Luckily, no one in IT today has ever used AOL, and we stopped having to threaten their lives....
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Say wut...about the Air Intercept Missile?
 
funinspace said:
Keith&Co. said:
For years, every new hire in IT would see AIM on someone's laptop and freak that we had installed AOL Instant Messenger on a work computer
Luckily, no one in IT today has ever used AOL, and we stopped having to threaten their lives....
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Say wut...about the Air Intercept Missile?
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Ssssssst! I didn't say ANYTHING about the AIcM! Senator Bumblebutt mentioned it on TV, but _i_ am still bound by classification rules, and can neither confirm nor deny any rumor thst we're working on it!
So, shush!
 
untermensche said:
Keith&Co. said:
untermensche said:
It is not personal medical information.
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No, it is. But HIPAA only applies to HIPAA-covered entities. Not to, say, the press.
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How is it personal if 100 people watched me get it?
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Assuming those 100 people aren't medical people they're free to talk about it. Anyone in the line who saw me could legally say that I got my shot. (And both times it was far more than a mere 100.) However, if any of the workers there leaked my name they could be in deep doo-doo if I chose to make an issue out of it. They would not even be allowed to substantiate what someone else said.
 
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