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California May Have a Random Celebrity Republican as Governor Soon

Politesse

Sapere aude
I don't know how many of our posters here will be interested in such a local political question, but California's governor is facing a recall election next month. My ballot just arrived in the mail. The whole affair is giving me very bad vibes; the conditions are similar to when Grey Davis was recalled in 2003, one of the first elections I had ever voted in, and one which resulted in Arnold Schwarzenegger leading the state into fiscal and humanitarian disaster for six years. I'm still traumatized, obviously. Why do the Republicans always nominate random clowns for very important offices? This time, it's Caitlyn Jenner taking Schwarzenegger's place as the "inconsistent moderate who is not particularly liked by any faction but whose name/brand is recognizable due to being a celebrity" slot. The only person the RNC has as back up if not Jenner is shock jock radio host Larry Elder, likewise a local celebrity with no actual credentials or experience for the role, who thinks slavery should be "ideally" re-legalized in the state. And the Democratic Party is making many of the same mistakes now that they did then: allowing the election board to phrase the recall question on the ballot confusingly ("yes" means boot him, "no" means keep him) and encouraging voters to leave the second side of the ballot, which names Newsom's possible successor, blank rather than clearly endorsing a backup candidate. The stage is set for successful political takeover in which the majority are actually against the recall, but may lose the vote anyway, and we end up with yet another f*cking reality show star in a powerful and influential position. We're fighting a serious outbreak of the Delta variant right now, and you know the first or second thing any Republican is going to do is outlaw PPE and force all public and commercial institutions to open.

This will end in disaster. I don't like Newsom as a person any more than the next guy, and his inept handling of this recall is an excellent example of the customary political empty-headedness that has characterized his entire career, but recalling him and replacing him with some damn Hollywood buffoon is not going to help anything at all.

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^ Some typical supporters. Note that they aren't backing any specific replacement governor, because the person they really want to be in charge of the state is the guy whose flag they're waving. One Flag, one Party, one Leader. And they accuse Newsom of totalitarianism. At least he's never promised to answer directly to the White House/Mar-A-Lago.
 

TSwizzle

Well-known member
I'll be glad when that insufferable prick Newsom is gone.

Jenner has no chance of winning and you know it.

Larry Elder is a celebrity ? Not hardly. I did read somewhere Elder was doing pretty well in the polls and I see his campaign ads here and there.

I got the ballot the other day and there are three pages of candidates and with it being California, plenty of kooks ! I have not made up my mind on who to vote for to replace that insufferable prick Newsom. But I will be voting "yes" to recall Newsom for sure.
 

Politesse

Sapere aude
Sounds like CA's recall is gaining momentum just because it exists.

Recall elections have that way about them. California Republicans are are always furious with whomever is the current Democratic governor, they need no specific reason.They literally copy-paste the same arguments they made about the last one onto the new one, decade after decade.
 

Politesse

Sapere aude
I'll be glad when that insufferable prick Newsom is gone.

Jenner has no chance of winning and you know it.

Larry Elder is a celebrity ? Not hardly. I did read somewhere Elder was doing pretty well in the polls and I see his campaign ads here and there.

I got the ballot the other day and there are three pages of candidates and with it being California, plenty of kooks ! I have not made up my mind on who to vote for to replace that insufferable prick Newsom. But I will be voting "yes" to recall Newsom for sure.

He's no Brad Pitt, but my point is that his recognizability as an entertainer is his only qualification for office; he has no actual political experience.
 

TSwizzle

Well-known member
I'll be glad when that insufferable prick Newsom is gone.

Jenner has no chance of winning and you know it.

Larry Elder is a celebrity ? Not hardly. I did read somewhere Elder was doing pretty well in the polls and I see his campaign ads here and there.

I got the ballot the other day and there are three pages of candidates and with it being California, plenty of kooks ! I have not made up my mind on who to vote for to replace that insufferable prick Newsom. But I will be voting "yes" to recall Newsom for sure.

He's no Brad Pitt, but my point is that his recognizability as an entertainer is his only qualification for office; he has no actual political experience.

Looking through the three pages of candidates, most of them have no actual experience. That's the beauty of the system.

Newsom has political experience and he's an incompetent, arrogant fool. He's shitting in his pants.
 

TomC

Well-known member
I'll be glad when that insufferable prick Newsom is gone.

Jenner has no chance of winning and you know it.

Larry Elder is a celebrity ? Not hardly. I did read somewhere Elder was doing pretty well in the polls and I see his campaign ads here and there.

I got the ballot the other day and there are three pages of candidates and with it being California, plenty of kooks ! I have not made up my mind on who to vote for to replace that insufferable prick Newsom. But I will be voting "yes" to recall Newsom for sure.

He's no Brad Pitt, but my point is that his recognizability as an entertainer is his only qualification for office; he has no actual political experience.

I'm not from California and I'm not sure what reason [I]s[/I]he has for expectes.
he's the trans version of Trump. No credentials other than name recognition. But that works in the modern American political system. Complete idiot, from the political point of view, but that doesn't matter if enough people vote from you. It's like voting people on or off The Island.
Tom

ETA ~added the bold for TFT rules purposes~

ETA~I've been trying to fix the pronouns by adding s's but it's not working~
 

Politesse

Sapere aude
Looking through the three pages of candidates, most of them have no actual experience. That's the beauty of the system.
What is remotely beautiful about that? I will never understand why Republicans think plucky cluelessness will somehow save us all from tyranny. Historically, dictators have often, even predictably come from "outside the system", not from rising slowly up the ranks.

But I guess if you all read your history books, you wouldn't be Republicans to begin with.
 

Politesse

Sapere aude
I'll be glad when that insufferable prick Newsom is gone.

Jenner has no chance of winning and you know it.

Larry Elder is a celebrity ? Not hardly. I did read somewhere Elder was doing pretty well in the polls and I see his campaign ads here and there.

I got the ballot the other day and there are three pages of candidates and with it being California, plenty of kooks ! I have not made up my mind on who to vote for to replace that insufferable prick Newsom. But I will be voting "yes" to recall Newsom for sure.

He's no Brad Pitt, but my point is that his recognizability as an entertainer is his only qualification for office; he has no actual political experience.

I'm not from California and I'm not sure what reason [I]s[/I]he has for expecting votes.

From what I can see Thread: Afghan "train, advise and assist" 1984 style
Agreed, with a tiny discrepency, everyone upon becoming the president of the USA is responsible for everything the US has done from its founding until today. My opinion is it is a great responsibility that can't be blamed on the previous or next dudehe's the trans version of Trump. No credentials other than name recognition. But that works in the modern American political system. Complete idiot, from the political point of view, but that doesn't matter if enough people vote from you. It's like voting people on or off The Island.
Tom

ETA ~added the bold for TFT rules purposes~

"He" was in reference to Larry Elder, who as far as I know self-identifies as male. So you are, in fact, violating TFTs rules with your bolded term.
 

TSwizzle

Well-known member
"Angelyne" is on the ballot for christ's sake !! I thought she died years ago. Maybe she is always on the ballot.
 

TomC

Well-known member
I'm not from California and I'm not sure what reason [I]s[/I]he has for expecting votes.

From what I can see Thread: Afghan "train, advise and assist" 1984 style
Agreed, with a tiny discrepency, everyone upon becoming the president of the USA is responsible for everything the US has done from its founding until today. My opinion is it is a great responsibility that can't be blamed on the previous or next dudehe's the trans version of Trump. No credentials other than name recognition. But that works in the modern American political system. Complete idiot, from the political point of view, but that doesn't matter if enough people vote from you. It's like voting people on or off The Island.
Tom

ETA ~added the bold for TFT rules purposes~

"He" was in reference to Larry Elder, who as far as I know self-identifies as male. So you are, in fact, violating TFTs rules with your bolded term.

No, actually it wasn't.
Tom
 

Politesse

Sapere aude
I'm not from California and I'm not sure what reason [I]s[/I]he has for expecting votes.

From what I can see Thread: Afghan "train, advise and assist" 1984 style
Agreed, with a tiny discrepency, everyone upon becoming the president of the USA is responsible for everything the US has done from its founding until today. My opinion is it is a great responsibility that can't be blamed on the previous or next dudehe's the trans version of Trump. No credentials other than name recognition. But that works in the modern American political system. Complete idiot, from the political point of view, but that doesn't matter if enough people vote from you. It's like voting people on or off The Island.
Tom

ETA ~added the bold for TFT rules purposes~

"He" was in reference to Larry Elder, who as far as I know self-identifies as male. So you are, in fact, violating TFTs rules with your bolded term.

No, actually it wasn't.
Tom

Please read the post I was quoting. TSwizzle questioned whether radio shock jock and current front-runner Larry Elder was a "celebrity", and I responded that celebrity or no, he is an entertainer by profession and solely known for that career as opposed to any sort of political experience. The question wasn't whether Caitlyn Jenner is a celebrity, everyone agrees that she is a celebrity.
 

TomC

Well-known member
No, actually it wasn't.
Tom

Please read the post I was quoting. TSwizzle questioned whether Larry Elder was a "celebrity", and I responded. The question wasn't whether Caitlyn Jenner is a celebrity, everyone agrees that she is a celebrity.

I mostly quoted [MENTION=346]Gospel[/MENTION];.
The TFT machine is difficult to make work on my phone. I tried to edit, several times. Then I tried to delete, but it wouldn't do that either.
Tom
 

Politesse

Sapere aude
No, actually it wasn't.
Tom

Please read the post I was quoting. TSwizzle questioned whether Larry Elder was a "celebrity", and I responded. The question wasn't whether Caitlyn Jenner is a celebrity, everyone agrees that she is a celebrity.

I mostly quoted [MENTION=346]Gospel[/MENTION];.
The TFT machine is difficult to make work on my phone. I tried to edit, several times. Then I tried to delete, but it wouldn't do that either.
Tom

Well, who you actually quoted and accused of misconduct was me, and Gospel hasn't posted in this thread, so I wanted to clarify, in case my post was somehow unclear.
 

Gospel

Aethiopian
That is another Typo. TomC was talking with me in PM and must have copypasted my name here instead. :p
 

funinspace

Well-known member
That is another Typo. TomC was talking with me in PM and must have copypasted my name here instead. :p

This.

TFT is difficult to manage on my phone.
Tom
Throwing your smartphone into the river should solve the problem :D


FWIW, I didn't think Pete Wilson was that bad of a governor...but then again I think that could have been in another geologic period. Fortunately, I left before the Sperminator took office.
 

Trausti

Well-known member
That he makes the lefties this hysterical means we should support him; at least for the entertainment value.

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ZiprHead

Loony Running The Asylum
Staff member
So another stick-it-to-the-libtards post by trausti.

Do you have a source for the above or have you been scammed by your lack of fact checking again?
 

TSwizzle

Well-known member
That he makes the lefties this hysterical means we should support him; at least for the entertainment value.

I don't really care who wins, as long as Newsom is booted out. But this Elder character seems to have them all riled up. So far his campaign is the one you see the most. Possibly more than Newsom.
 

Trausti

Well-known member
That he makes the lefties this hysterical means we should support him; at least for the entertainment value.

I don't really care who wins, as long as Newsom is booted out. But this Elder character seems to have them all riled up. So far his campaign is the one you see the most. Possibly more than Newsom.

Let’s hope that the racists don’t stop California from electing it’s first black governor.
 

Shadowy Man

Well-known member
That he makes the lefties this hysterical means we should support him; at least for the entertainment value.

I don't really care who wins, as long as Newsom is booted out. But this Elder character seems to have them all riled up. So far his campaign is the one you see the most. Possibly more than Newsom.

Let’s hope that the racists don’t stop California from electing it’s first black governor.

I thought Republicans were against identity politics. It shouldn’t matter what his race is, only that he should be the best qualified, right?
 

untermensche

Well-known member
So another stick-it-to-the-libtards post by trausti.

Do you have a source for the above or have you been scammed by your lack of fact checking again?

https://www.latimes.com/california/...larry-elder-is-a-threat-to-black-californians

What I don't like is this from the author's biography.

She is a recipient of the Sigma Delta Chi award for column writing, a graduate of Ohio University and a native of the long-suffering sports town of Cleveland.

Lebron gave Cleveland a championship.

This fake news has to end.
 

Politesse

Sapere aude
That he makes the lefties this hysterical means we should support him; at least for the entertainment value.

I don't really care who wins, as long as Newsom is booted out. But this Elder character seems to have them all riled up. So far his campaign is the one you see the most. Possibly more than Newsom.

Let’s hope that the racists don’t stop California from electing it’s first black governor.

Why would electing an overt racist into the governor's mansion be an outcome that racists would wish to prevent?
 

Swammerdami

Squadron Leader
Staff member
Fun to see how right-wingers soil their pants in glee whenever they see a Black right-winger! (At the risk of seeming cynical, I note that being black and right-wing is a sure-fire path to success at places like FoxNews.)


Latest poll shows the top three candidates to be
* 49% Gavin Newsom (D), incumbent
* 19% Larry Elder (R), talk-show radio host
* 9% Kevin Paffrath (D), 29 yr-old YouTuber

Under the rules, this makes it a neck-and-neck race, Newsom v. Elder.

Wikipedia said:
[Larry Elder] calls for abolishing the IRS; passing a national sales tax, reducing government by 80%; ending welfare and entitlements, abolishing the minimum wage, and eliminating corporate taxes.

I just telephoned with my sister, who asked for advice. She's voting No of course, but misleading ads tell her that voting for any of the candidates will invalidate her No vote!

Both Elder and Paffrath seem like unusually poor choices to be Governor. (Amusing(?) how right-wingers are delighted to hear that "blue states" might get incompetent government.)
 

Elixir

Content Thief
I'm not from California and I'm not sure what reason [I]s[/I]he has for expecting votes.

From what I can see Thread: Afghan "train, advise and assist" 1984 style
Agreed, with a tiny discrepency, everyone upon becoming the president of the USA is responsible for everything the US has done from its founding until today. My opinion is it is a great responsibility that can't be blamed on the previous or next dudehe's the trans version of Trump. No credentials other than name recognition. But that works in the modern American political system. Complete idiot, from the political point of view, but that doesn't matter if enough people vote from you. It's like voting people on or off The Island.
Tom

ETA ~added the bold for TFT rules purposes~

"He" was in reference to Larry Elder, who as far as I know self-identifies as male. So you are, in fact, violating TFTs rules with your bolded term.

No, actually it wasn't.
Tom

Ah.... newbie Tom will henceforth tell us what each of us refers to.
:rolleyes:
 

BH

Super Moderator
Staff member
Looking through the three pages of candidates, most of them have no actual experience. That's the beauty of the system.
What is remotely beautiful about that? I will never understand why Republicans think plucky cluelessness will somehow save us all from tyranny. Historically, dictators have often, even predictably come from "outside the system", not from rising slowly up the ranks.

But I guess if you all read your history books, you wouldn't be Republicans to begin with.

But you have to understand plenty of backroom deals were made for that outsider to advance before going anywhere.
 

RVonse

Well-known member
Both Elder and Paffrath seem like unusually poor choices to be Governor. (Amusing(?) how right-wingers are delighted to hear that "blue states" might get incompetent government.)
Regardless of how this vote turns out, you do have to admit that the current management of California sucks in a most horrible way right now. It is in the national news that even someone like myself from Missouri can notice it is not without merit that this recall is taking place. As we speak, long term business are picking up and moving from California to Florida and Texas. And the California population is declining too, for its first time in history mostly due to homelessness and the high cost of living. In case you can not figure this out...this is bad.

And whether you want to admit or not, the ultra high cost of living the average Californian can no longer afford were caused by liberalism. Meaning the best cure is to be less liberal, although I have no idea about the other choices. But they could probably not be any worse than what is now in place.
 

Shadowy Man

Well-known member
California sucks in a most horrible way right now. It is in the national news that even someone like myself from Missouri can notice it is not without merit that this recall is taking place. As we speak, long term business are picking up and moving from California to Florida and Texas.

Luckily for those business, Texas and Florida are being managed by their governors swimmingly right now.
 

TomC

Well-known member
Both Elder and Paffrath seem like unusually poor choices to be Governor. (Amusing(?) how right-wingers are delighted to hear that "blue states" might get incompetent government.)
Regardless of how this vote turns out, you do have to admit that the current management of California sucks in a most horrible way right now. It is in the national news that even someone like myself from Missouri can notice it is not without merit that this recall is taking place. As we speak, long term business are picking up and moving from California to Florida and Texas. And the California population is declining too, for its first time in history mostly due to homelessness and the high cost of living. In case you can not figure this out...this is bad.

And whether you want to admit or not, the ultra high cost of living the average Californian can no longer afford were caused by liberalism. Meaning the best cure is to be less liberal, although I have no idea about the other choices. But they could probably not be any worse than what is now in place.

Here's what you don't seem to understand. It's basic economics.

California culture(liberalism) made it an attractive place to live. Capitalism made that attractive place to live expensive, because that's what capitalism does. Liberals made California living an attractive commodity. Capitalism made getting that commodity expensive.

You seem to think that liberalism made California expensive, when it just made California "worth the money", that capitalism expects to gain.
Tom
 

Jarhyn

Well-known member
Both Elder and Paffrath seem like unusually poor choices to be Governor. (Amusing(?) how right-wingers are delighted to hear that "blue states" might get incompetent government.)
Regardless of how this vote turns out, you do have to admit that the current management of California sucks in a most horrible way right now. It is in the national news that even someone like myself from Missouri can notice it is not without merit that this recall is taking place. As we speak, long term business are picking up and moving from California to Florida and Texas. And the California population is declining too, for its first time in history mostly due to homelessness and the high cost of living. In case you can not figure this out...this is bad.

And whether you want to admit or not, the ultra high cost of living the average Californian can no longer afford were caused by liberalism. Meaning the best cure is to be less liberal, although I have no idea about the other choices. But they could probably not be any worse than what is now in place.

Here's what you don't seem to understand. It's basic economics.

California culture(liberalism) made it an attractive place to live. Capitalism made that attractive place to live expensive, because that's what capitalism does. Liberals made California living an attractive commodity. Capitalism made getting that commodity expensive.

You seem to think that liberalism made California expensive, when it just made California "worth the money", that capitalism expects to gain.
Tom

That's probably the most on-point and straightforward breakdown of california's economy I have ever seen.
 

Shadowy Man

Well-known member
If you think a culture has to be prefect before you settle down you will be moving a lot.

California has its negatives for sure but clearly its positives outweigh those for many, many people.
 

Swammerdami

Squadron Leader
Staff member
Here's what you don't seem to understand. It's basic economics.

California culture(liberalism) made it an attractive place to live. Capitalism made that attractive place to live expensive, because that's what capitalism does. Liberals made California living an attractive commodity. Capitalism made getting that commodity expensive.

You seem to think that liberalism made California expensive, when it just made California "worth the money", that capitalism expects to gain.
Tom

That's probably the most on-point and straightforward breakdown of california's economy I have ever seen.

What?? You mean songs like "On Broadway" or "New York New York" complaining about how tough life can be in an essential nexus of civilization are NOT laments by a singer who's taking the next bus back to Oklahoma so he can continue his life's dream of peanut farming?
 

RVonse

Well-known member
. Capitalism made that attractive place to live expensive, because that's what capitalism does.
Tom
Then you do not understand capitalism. At least not the free market capitalism I'm familiar with.

Free market capitalism always seeks the highest quality product for the lowest cost for both the consumer and the producer. If it is not doing that effectively, then it is not free market capitalism. The high cost of living in California has not been caused by free market capitalism anyway. It is mostly caused by mismanageed real estate, property tax rate, and zoning laws.
 

RVonse

Well-known member
If you think a culture has to be prefect before you settle down you will be moving a lot.

California has its negatives for sure but clearly its positives outweigh those for many, many people.
It appears to be the ultimate paradise of good weather and geography. Almost all undone by the riff raff and sewers of liberal governments, policies, and politicians.
 

TomC

Well-known member
Then you do not understand capitalism. At least not the free market capitalism I'm familiar with.

Free market capitalism always seeks the highest quality product for the lowest cost for both the consumer and the producer.

Clearly you don't understand free market capitalism.

Free market capitalists don't rent an apartment for $500/mo if they can get $1500. Doesn't matter if $500 is profitable, $1500 is much more profitable. With that kind of money, you can buy the zoning board and protect your profits.

Sorry. You don't understand capitalism and democracy.
Tom
 

TSwizzle

Well-known member
And whether you want to admit or not, the ultra high cost of living the average Californian can no longer afford were caused by liberalism. Meaning the best cure is to be less liberal, although I have no idea about the other choices. But they could probably not be any worse than what is now in place.

Hmmm some of it, homeless encampments for example certainly. Most of the problems are down to corruption, incompetence and Newsom’s arrogance. Some of the highest taxes in the nation are a huge burden for many Californians. Getting rid of Newsom won’t solve much but it’s a step in the right direction. But then again Californians seem to blindly vote these clowns in.
 

Shadowy Man

Well-known member
If you think a culture has to be prefect before you settle down you will be moving a lot.

California has its negatives for sure but clearly its positives outweigh those for many, many people.
It appears to be the ultimate paradise of good weather and geography. Almost all undone by the riff raff and sewers of liberal governments, policies, and politicians.
Pros and cons for everybody. If they don’t like it they can move. Or they can elect new politicians.
 

Politesse

Sapere aude
Critiques of California liberalism and California governors are always vague emotional accusations, rather than concrete, cogent arguments about what policies should change and how those changes will help. This is partly because it is easier to criticize than to improve, and partly because conservatives are sadly brainless and have no idea how to run a state government effectively, let alone that of a state whose problems are as unique and complex as California's. I'll believe that electing a Republican governor is a good idea when I see some actual evidence that life is better somehow in states with Republican governors. The truth is that life is pretty sad and short in Republican-led states (On average, you will add five years to your life by moving to California from Alabama or Mississippi!)
 

TomC

Well-known member
If you think a culture has to be prefect before you settle down you will be moving a lot.

California has its negatives for sure but clearly its positives outweigh those for many, many people.
It appears to be the ultimate paradise of good weather and geography. Almost all undone by the riff raff and sewers of liberal governments, policies, and politicians.
Pros and cons for everybody. If they don’t like it they can move. Or they can elect new politicians.

Let me give you a personal glimpse.

I'm a gay atheist living in semi-rural Trumpistan Indiana. My family and roots are here. I can't just move. The costs would be huge. I'm not talking about the money, I'm talking about everything!

Nor can I just "vote someone else" in. Trump swept every district in this state in 2016 in the Republican primaries. Trumpistas are legion around here. It's a "low vaccination rate" area of a "low vaccination rate" state.


I'm stuck with America. I'm not as portable as many Americans are. So don't say "Well, you could just move". "You're free".
No I'm not!
Tom
 

Shadowy Man

Well-known member
Pros and cons for everybody. If they don’t like it they can move. Or they can elect new politicians.

Let me give you a personal glimpse.

I'm a gay atheist living in semi-rural Trumpistan Indiana. My family and roots are here. I can't just move. The costs would be huge. I'm not talking about the money, I'm talking about everything!

Nor can I just "vote someone else" in. Trump swept every district in this state in 2016 in the Republican primaries. Trumpistas are legion around here. It's a "low vaccination rate" area of a "low vaccination rate" state.


I'm stuck with America. I'm not as portable as many Americans are. So don't say "Well, you could just move". "You're free".
No I'm not!
Tom
You yourself just said the costs would be huge. Which means you are free to choose something else but don’t want to pay the costs. You’ve weighed the pros and cons of your situation and chosen to stay.

In California people are also weighing their pros and cons. I have lived in multiple places all around the country, ranging from Baltimore to Wisconsin to the Bay Area. Cost of living is incredibly high out here, yes, but in many ways I am getting things for this cost.

Everybody is going to whinge about where they are for one reason or another. Certain posters seem to be making it out like this is unique to California. Some people may be moving to Florida or Texas from California. that will improve their lives in some ways and likely be worse in others. I, personally, would never move to either of those states given my desires and situation even if it improved the cost of living. RVonse is making it out to be a choice between conservatism and low cost of living or liberalism and high cost of living. Even granting that to be true I know my choice.
 
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