California May Have a Random Celebrity Republican as Governor Soon

[Shadowy Man]

If you think a culture has to be prefect before you settle down you will be moving a lot.

California has its negatives for sure but clearly its positives outweigh those for many, many people.

 

[Swammerdami]

Here's what you don't seem to understand. It's basic economics.

California culture(liberalism) made it an attractive place to live. Capitalism made that attractive place to live expensive, because that's what capitalism does. Liberals made California living an attractive commodity. Capitalism made getting that commodity expensive.

You seem to think that liberalism made California expensive, when it just made California "worth the money", that capitalism expects to gain.
Tom

That's probably the most on-point and straightforward breakdown of california's economy I have ever seen.

What?? You mean songs like "On Broadway" or "New York New York" complaining about how tough life can be in an essential nexus of civilization are NOT laments by a singer who's taking the next bus back to Oklahoma so he can continue his life's dream of peanut farming?

 

[RVonse]

. Capitalism made that attractive place to live expensive, because that's what capitalism does.
Tom

Then you do not understand capitalism. At least not the free market capitalism I'm familiar with.

Free market capitalism always seeks the highest quality product for the lowest cost for both the consumer and the producer. If it is not doing that effectively, then it is not free market capitalism. The high cost of living in California has not been caused by free market capitalism anyway. It is mostly caused by mismanageed real estate, property tax rate, and zoning laws.

 

[RVonse]

If you think a culture has to be prefect before you settle down you will be moving a lot.

California has its negatives for sure but clearly its positives outweigh those for many, many people.

It appears to be the ultimate paradise of good weather and geography. Almost all undone by the riff raff and sewers of liberal governments, policies, and politicians.

 

[TomC]

Then you do not understand capitalism. At least not the free market capitalism I'm familiar with.

Free market capitalism always seeks the highest quality product for the lowest cost for both the consumer and the producer.

Clearly you don't understand free market capitalism.

Free market capitalists don't rent an apartment for $500/mo if they can get $1500. Doesn't matter if $500 is profitable, $1500 is much more profitable. With that kind of money, you can buy the zoning board and protect your profits.

Sorry. You don't understand capitalism and democracy.
Tom

 

[TSwizzle]

And whether you want to admit or not, the ultra high cost of living the average Californian can no longer afford were caused by liberalism. Meaning the best cure is to be less liberal, although I have no idea about the other choices. But they could probably not be any worse than what is now in place.

Hmmm some of it, homeless encampments for example certainly. Most of the problems are down to corruption, incompetence and Newsom’s arrogance. Some of the highest taxes in the nation are a huge burden for many Californians. Getting rid of Newsom won’t solve much but it’s a step in the right direction. But then again Californians seem to blindly vote these clowns in.

 

[Shadowy Man]

If you think a culture has to be prefect before you settle down you will be moving a lot.

California has its negatives for sure but clearly its positives outweigh those for many, many people.

It appears to be the ultimate paradise of good weather and geography. Almost all undone by the riff raff and sewers of liberal governments, policies, and politicians.

Pros and cons for everybody. If they don’t like it they can move. Or they can elect new politicians.

 

[Politesse]

Critiques of California liberalism and California governors are always vague emotional accusations, rather than concrete, cogent arguments about what policies should change and how those changes will help. This is partly because it is easier to criticize than to improve, and partly because conservatives are sadly brainless and have no idea how to run a state government effectively, let alone that of a state whose problems are as unique and complex as California's. I'll believe that electing a Republican governor is a good idea when I see some actual evidence that life is better somehow in states with Republican governors. The truth is that life is pretty sad and short in Republican-led states (On average, you will add five years to your life by moving to California from Alabama or Mississippi!)

 

[TomC]

If you think a culture has to be prefect before you settle down you will be moving a lot.

California has its negatives for sure but clearly its positives outweigh those for many, many people.

It appears to be the ultimate paradise of good weather and geography. Almost all undone by the riff raff and sewers of liberal governments, policies, and politicians.

Pros and cons for everybody. If they don’t like it they can move. Or they can elect new politicians.

Let me give you a personal glimpse.

I'm a gay atheist living in semi-rural Trumpistan Indiana. My family and roots are here. I can't just move. The costs would be huge. I'm not talking about the money, I'm talking about everything!

Nor can I just "vote someone else" in. Trump swept every district in this state in 2016 in the Republican primaries. Trumpistas are legion around here. It's a "low vaccination rate" area of a "low vaccination rate" state.


I'm stuck with America. I'm not as portable as many Americans are. So don't say "Well, you could just move". "You're free".
No I'm not!
Tom

 

[Shadowy Man]

Pros and cons for everybody. If they don’t like it they can move. Or they can elect new politicians.

Let me give you a personal glimpse.

I'm a gay atheist living in semi-rural Trumpistan Indiana. My family and roots are here. I can't just move. The costs would be huge. I'm not talking about the money, I'm talking about everything!

Nor can I just "vote someone else" in. Trump swept every district in this state in 2016 in the Republican primaries. Trumpistas are legion around here. It's a "low vaccination rate" area of a "low vaccination rate" state.


I'm stuck with America. I'm not as portable as many Americans are. So don't say "Well, you could just move". "You're free".
No I'm not!
Tom

You yourself just said the costs would be huge. Which means you are free to choose something else but don’t want to pay the costs. You’ve weighed the pros and cons of your situation and chosen to stay.

In California people are also weighing their pros and cons. I have lived in multiple places all around the country, ranging from Baltimore to Wisconsin to the Bay Area. Cost of living is incredibly high out here, yes, but in many ways I am getting things for this cost.

Everybody is going to whinge about where they are for one reason or another. Certain posters seem to be making it out like this is unique to California. Some people may be moving to Florida or Texas from California. that will improve their lives in some ways and likely be worse in others. I, personally, would never move to either of those states given my desires and situation even if it improved the cost of living. RVonse is making it out to be a choice between conservatism and low cost of living or liberalism and high cost of living. Even granting that to be true I know my choice.

 

[Jarhyn]

Pros and cons for everybody. If they don’t like it they can move. Or they can elect new politicians.

Let me give you a personal glimpse.

I'm a gay atheist living in semi-rural Trumpistan Indiana. My family and roots are here. I can't just move. The costs would be huge. I'm not talking about the money, I'm talking about everything!

Nor can I just "vote someone else" in. Trump swept every district in this state in 2016 in the Republican primaries. Trumpistas are legion around here. It's a "low vaccination rate" area of a "low vaccination rate" state.


I'm stuck with America. I'm not as portable as many Americans are. So don't say "Well, you could just move". "You're free".
No I'm not!
Tom

You yourself just said the costs would be huge. Which means you are free to choose something else but don’t want to pay the costs. You’ve weighed the pros and cons of your situation and chosen to stay.

In California people are also weighing their pros and cons. I have lived in multiple places all around the country, ranging from Baltimore to Wisconsin to the Bay Area. Cost of living is incredibly high out here, yes, but in many ways I am getting things for this cost.

Everybody is going to whinge about where they are for one reason or another. Certain posters seem to be making it out like this is unique to California. Some people may be moving to Florida or Texas from California. that will improve their lives in some ways and likely be worse in others. I, personally, would never move to either of those states given my desires and situation even if it improved the cost of living. RVonse is making it out to be a choice between conservatism and low cost of living or liberalism and high cost of living. Even granting that to be true I know my choice.

Like, tom hit the nail on the head though... Liberals make places great to live, capitalists swoop in and ride the high demand by controlling supply to high prices.

It's cheap to live in conservative places because nobody wants to!

 

[Shadowy Man]

You yourself just said the costs would be huge. Which means you are free to choose something else but don’t want to pay the costs. You’ve weighed the pros and cons of your situation and chosen to stay.

In California people are also weighing their pros and cons. I have lived in multiple places all around the country, ranging from Baltimore to Wisconsin to the Bay Area. Cost of living is incredibly high out here, yes, but in many ways I am getting things for this cost.

Everybody is going to whinge about where they are for one reason or another. Certain posters seem to be making it out like this is unique to California. Some people may be moving to Florida or Texas from California. that will improve their lives in some ways and likely be worse in others. I, personally, would never move to either of those states given my desires and situation even if it improved the cost of living. RVonse is making it out to be a choice between conservatism and low cost of living or liberalism and high cost of living. Even granting that to be true I know my choice.

Like, tom hit the nail on the head though... Liberals make places great to live, capitalists swoop in and ride the high demand by controlling supply to high prices.

It's cheap to live in conservative places because nobody wants to!

To be fair, there are likely some policies that could be changed to help with the cost of living here. One example is that single family homes shouldn’t be sold to foreign companies with no plan to have any one actually live there. Chinese groups, for example, came and bought $1M+ homes with full cash offers and then let the homes sit until they sell on their investment.

 

[TomC]

You yourself just said the costs would be huge. Which means you are free to choose something else but don’t want to pay the costs. You’ve weighed the pros and cons of your situation and chosen to stay.

You're reminding me of the local covidiots.

"If you don't like it here, move!"
Tom

 

[Jarhyn]

You yourself just said the costs would be huge. Which means you are free to choose something else but don’t want to pay the costs. You’ve weighed the pros and cons of your situation and chosen to stay.

You're reminding me of the local covidiots.

"If you don't like it here, move!"
Tom

So, I'm having a real hard time, and maybe if you feel like it you could fill me in in private, but I just can't wrap my head around someone being unable to relocate.

I've relocated several times in my life, sometimes chaotically, sometimes planned, but it has always been possible, if occasionally isolating, to do so.

As it is, I've also acted as a port in the storms of a number of people's lives. I wouldn't mind doing the same for you, except that my husband is literally driving someone else here, from Michigan, right now, and that's the last bedroom short of cannibalizing our living room back into a bedroom again.

If you are ever willing to accept the cost, I, or one of many others, am willing to make the monetary price attainable.

 

[TomC]

You yourself just said the costs would be huge. Which means you are free to choose something else but don’t want to pay the costs. You’ve weighed the pros and cons of your situation and chosen to stay.

You're reminding me of the local covidiots.

"If you don't like it here, move!"
Tom

So, I'm having a real hard time, and maybe if you feel like it you could fill me in in private, but I just can't wrap my head around someone being unable to relocate.

I've relocated several times in my life, sometimes chaotically, sometimes planned, but it has always been possible, if occasionally isolating, to do so.

As it is, I've also acted as a port in the storms of a number of people's lives. I wouldn't mind doing the same for you, except that my husband is literally driving someone else here, from Michigan, right now, and that's the last bedroom short of cannibalizing our living room back into a bedroom again.

If you are ever willing to accept the cost, I, or one of many others, am willing to make the monetary price attainable.

OK, you don't understand what having roots means. It's very American to be rootless, but I'm not.

From elderly relatives to almost born great grandkids, we(Doug and I) are part of an interdependent web of people. Those people matter to us!
Tom

 

[Jarhyn]

So, I'm having a real hard time, and maybe if you feel like it you could fill me in in private, but I just can't wrap my head around someone being unable to relocate.

I've relocated several times in my life, sometimes chaotically, sometimes planned, but it has always been possible, if occasionally isolating, to do so.

As it is, I've also acted as a port in the storms of a number of people's lives. I wouldn't mind doing the same for you, except that my husband is literally driving someone else here, from Michigan, right now, and that's the last bedroom short of cannibalizing our living room back into a bedroom again.

If you are ever willing to accept the cost, I, or one of many others, am willing to make the monetary price attainable.

OK, you don't understand what having roots means. It's very American to be rootless, but I'm not.

From elderly relatives to almost born great grandkids, we(Doug and I) are part of an interdependent web of people. Those people matter to us!
Tom

Oh, I'm not without people who matter. I just don't always have to be near them and immediate in their lives, nor am I expected to be.

It's nice to have people, but the way you put it it felt like there was something along the lines of being trapped by that, and that's not OK either. I am not adrift, but I am more of a traveller. It IS ok to be a traveller. Or to like where you are.

And in all honesty, you're better situated to be a positive force in the lives of the family around you. Maybe make some additional atheists happen, gay or otherwise? Just, I would hope you never feel trapped, either. At any rate, you seem rather geriatric if you have great grandkids on the way. I'm not running an old folks home either.

 

[TomC]

And in all honesty, you're better situated to be a positive force in the lives of the family around you. Maybe make some additional atheists happen, gay or otherwise? Just, I would hope you never feel trapped, either. At any rate, you seem rather geriatric if you have great grandkids on the way. I'm not running an old folks home either.

That's the thing. We aren't trapped by finances or the government. We aren't rich, but even if we won a lottery we wouldn't move.
My mom is pushing 100. His mom, who I take care of on a daily basis, is about 80. His granddaughter, left an orphan as a toddler by a drunk driver, just got married to the father of Doug's great grandson.
We can't leave here. We just can't.
Tom

 

[Jarhyn]

And in all honesty, you're better situated to be a positive force in the lives of the family around you. Maybe make some additional atheists happen, gay or otherwise? Just, I would hope you never feel trapped, either. At any rate, you seem rather geriatric if you have great grandkids on the way. I'm not running an old folks home either.

That's the thing. We aren't trapped by finances or the government. We aren't rich, but even if we won a lottery we wouldn't move.
My mom is pushing 100. His mom, who I take care of on a daily basis, is about 80. His granddaughter, left an orphan as a toddler by a drunk driver, just got married to the father of Doug's great grandson.
We can't leave here. We just can't.
Tom

Well, you can. You just won't, and frankly you shouldn't ever have to. But, we all know the world changes as it will. I don't think having practice at changing up my life on the regular will be badly spent.

 

[scombrid]

You yourself just said the costs would be huge. Which means you are free to choose something else but don’t want to pay the costs. You’ve weighed the pros and cons of your situation and chosen to stay.

In California people are also weighing their pros and cons. I have lived in multiple places all around the country, ranging from Baltimore to Wisconsin to the Bay Area. Cost of living is incredibly high out here, yes, but in many ways I am getting things for this cost.

Everybody is going to whinge about where they are for one reason or another. Certain posters seem to be making it out like this is unique to California. Some people may be moving to Florida or Texas from California. that will improve their lives in some ways and likely be worse in others. I, personally, would never move to either of those states given my desires and situation even if it improved the cost of living. RVonse is making it out to be a choice between conservatism and low cost of living or liberalism and high cost of living. Even granting that to be true I know my choice.

Like, tom hit the nail on the head though... Liberals make places great to live, capitalists swoop in and ride the high demand by controlling supply to high prices.

It's cheap to live in conservative places because nobody wants to!

Yep. Make all you money in a nice expensive liberal place and then sell out and move to a shithole country (rural south) where your money stretches further. It works as long as you have enough money to be self sufficient and isolate yourself from the shitholeness.

 

[Trausti]

That’s was bait. And a quick catch.

And yet still accurate.

Thomas Sowell: “I cannot understand people who say that minorities should be represented everywhere and yet are upset when there are blacks represented in the conservative movement.”