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Ilhan Omar vs. Colorism

First, reading white men debate black women's beauty aesthetic is hysterical.
Saying that white men should not debate certain topics because of our race and gender is racist.

And if you really want to understand why this is political, pick up a copy of this book and read it.
Oh, I understand that the Left wants to make everything political. That does not mean everything should be.

I stand by my statement. It is hysterical.

What do you know about being names like high-yella, and red-bone? Porch monkey or Tar Baby? Or the paper bag test or the ruler test? Are you now or have you ever been color struck?

What do you know of prominent black families like the Proctors, the Newmans, or the Butlers?

Or about the children's rhyme,

If you're light, you're alright.
If you're brown, stick around.
If you're black, get back

These are personal traumas of color, but let's talk more broadly.

Light skinned people are most likely to be hired and promoted than darker skinned people.
If you're an actor, producers would rather higher a light skinned actor for a role and then, if needed, put that actor in black face rather that hire a darker skinned actor.
Women and girls are still sent home from work and school for wearing their hair naturally.

Athletes have had braids cut at sporting events, and been applauded for what for the athletes was a public scalping.

Dark skinned children are more likely to be deemed in need of remedial learning, be labelled problem students and have physical problems like bad eyesight and hearing be written up as behavioral problems and/or "mental retardation."

Black kids aren't dumb, they are targeted. And the darker a child is, the earlier he's targeted, ground down and pushed into a stereotype.

And it's not just white folk who do this.

Black folk can be just as color-struck.

When Hattie McDaniel won the Oscar for Best Supporting Actress for GWTW, Walter White, president of the NAACP and the whitest looking black man you'll probably ever see, mounted a campaign to stop Hattie McDaniel from working and somehow to replace her with Lena Horne. Lena was lighter, prettier, more desirable and therefore a better representation of black womanhood than the darker, fatter, less lyrically voiced McDaniels.

Roles for McDaniels grew scarce, but no one would believe Lena Horne would be allowed by any white woman to be a maid around a white husband, so she didn't work much either. What roles she did get were usually singing spots that could be and often were cut out movies when shown in the South.

In the sixties when black is beautiful become a rallying cry, light-skinned black people fell out of favor for about ten minutes and were made to spend time and treasure trying to prove to people of all colors they were black enough.

It was and is insanity.

From light skinned slaves working in the big house and dark skinned slaves working in the fields to Zoe Saldana playing Nina Simone in black face and facial prosthetics, colorism has put limits on both the life chances and life expectancy of black people ever since Bacon's Rebellion and even further back.

Now I'm just a brown skinned woman who has lived with being favored or dismissed for no other reason than this pecan tan skin I've got. I've been hearing about, reading about, debating about and crying about colorism for the entire 56 year I've been on this planet.

What could I possibly know about this subject more than any white man?

Colorism is a subject deep and wide. It's political, it's personal, it is both blatant and nuanced.

But like I said

What do I know?


From the Harriet T and Ida B Gun Club and Sewing Circle this is me and I'm jessayin'.
 
The fact that you do not see product safety as a legitimate concern of the government as it relates to health concerns for women/women of color does indeed certainly give the appearance of bigotry.

Product safety itself is of course legitimate concern. But that's not the way the issue was framed in the thread and by Omar. She would be opposed to it regardless of any safety issues, and I still think cosmetic choices of people are not the purview of government.
There are also safety issues with tanning beds and such. But Omar hasn't been saying anything about that.
Are you saying that unless someone talks about all safety problems associated with an issue they cannot be taken seriously? If not, then your last 2 sentence are pointless whataboutism. If so, your last two sentences cannot be taken seriously.
 
The fact that you do not see product safety as a legitimate concern of the government as it relates to health concerns for women/women of color does indeed certainly give the appearance of bigotry.

Product safety itself is of course legitimate concern. But that's not the way the issue was framed in the thread and by Omar. She would be opposed to it regardless of any safety issues, and I still think cosmetic choices of people are not the purview of government.
There are also safety issues with tanning beds and such. But Omar hasn't been saying anything about that.

It is customary for background as to the necessity of legislation being proposed be given, as well as background on who is most affected. Product safety is one issue but so is its target consumers, in this case, persons, especially women of color, are the major group experiencing negative effects from these products.

Even today, women of color are negatively impacted by racial stereotypes that favor light skin over dark skin, straighter hair over textured hair. These perceptions affect children from cradle throughout life, with negative impacts in school, employment, social relationships and medical care and policing, to name a few. Not only is product safety a legitimate concern of government but so is racism and discrimination in American society.

Because our society is still very largely segregated, it is unlikely that most legislators (usually white and male and often older, having grown up when such things were never considered) will be aware of either the safety or the social issues.
 
The fact that you do not see product safety as a legitimate concern of the government as it relates to health concerns for women/women of color does indeed certainly give the appearance of bigotry.

Product safety itself is of course legitimate concern. But that's not the way the issue was framed in the thread and by Omar. She would be opposed to it regardless of any safety issues, and I still think cosmetic choices of people are not the purview of government.
There are also safety issues with tanning beds and such. But Omar hasn't been saying anything about that.

It is customary for background as to the necessity of legislation being proposed be given, as well as background on who is most affected. Product safety is one issue but so is its target consumers, in this case, persons, especially women of color, are the major group experiencing negative effects from these products.

Even today, women of color are negatively impacted by racial stereotypes that favor light skin over dark skin, straighter hair over textured hair. These perceptions affect children from cradle throughout life, with negative impacts in school, employment, social relationships and medical care and policing, to name a few. Not only is product safety a legitimate concern of government but so is racism and discrimination in American society.

Because our society is still very largely segregated, it is unlikely that most legislators (usually white and male and often older, having grown up when such things were never considered) will be aware of either the safety or the social issues.

Skin-whitening products do not cause colourism; colourism caused skin-whitening products. Neither did big bad white people cause colourism. White skin was prized in Japanese society over a thousand years ago.

The point is that banning, or making harder to get, products that whiten skin will not reduce colourism. It will merely make life slightly more miserable for people who want to lighten their skin.
 
Skin-whitening products do not cause colourism; colourism caused skin-whitening products. Neither did big bad white people cause colourism. White skin was prized in Japanese society over a thousand years ago.

The point is that banning, or making harder to get, products that whiten skin will not reduce colourism. It will merely make life slightly more miserable for people who want to lighten their skin.

This. There is a very real problem as the most effective, cheapest approach to skin lightening is hazardous and should not be used. However, those products don't cause the problem.
 
Skin-whitening products do not cause colourism; colourism caused skin-whitening products. Neither did big bad white people cause colourism. White skin was prized in Japanese society over a thousand years ago.

The point is that banning, or making harder to get, products that whiten skin will not reduce colourism. It will merely make life slightly more miserable for people who want to lighten their skin.

This. There is a very real problem as the most effective, cheapest approach to skin lightening is hazardous and should not be used. However, those products don't cause the problem.

The "problem" is evolutionary sexual selection. Women of every race tend to be a shade or so lighter than men. Probably the same reason why non-pregnant human women have enlarged breasts, as well as softer skin and softer facial features. It's what the boys want.
 
Skin-whitening products do not cause colourism; colourism caused skin-whitening products. Neither did big bad white people cause colourism. White skin was prized in Japanese society over a thousand years ago.

The point is that banning, or making harder to get, products that whiten skin will not reduce colourism. It will merely make life slightly more miserable for people who want to lighten their skin.

This. There is a very real problem as the most effective, cheapest approach to skin lightening is hazardous and should not be used. However, those products don't cause the problem.

The "problem" is evolutionary sexual selection. Women of every race tend to be a shade or so lighter than men. Probably the same reason why non-pregnant human women have enlarged breasts, as well as softer skin and softer facial features. It's what the boys want.

I thought race theory was a bad thing...hmm
 
The "problem" is evolutionary sexual selection. Women of every race tend to be a shade or so lighter than men. Probably the same reason why non-pregnant human women have enlarged breasts, as well as softer skin and softer facial features. It's what the boys want.

I thought race theory was a bad thing...hmm

What "race theory"? If men desire women with lighter skin regardless of race, that is not a "race theory". It's a sexual selection theory.
 
The "problem" is evolutionary sexual selection. Women of every race tend to be a shade or so lighter than men. Probably the same reason why non-pregnant human women have enlarged breasts, as well as softer skin and softer facial features. It's what the boys want.

I thought race theory was a bad thing...hmm

What "race theory"? If men desire women with lighter skin regardless of race, that is not a "race theory". It's a sexual selection theory.

Again you didn't parse sensibly.
 
My mother has vitiligo. Vitiligo is hereditary which means I may get it also. If I got it, I would probably choose to whiten the parts of my skin that did not show the outward signs of vitiligo.

Should I have that choice taken away from me?
 
My mother has vitiligo. Vitiligo is hereditary which means I may get it also. If I got it, I would probably choose to whiten the parts of my skin that did not show the outward signs of vitiligo.

Should I have that choice taken away from me?

I dunno are you untested?
 
My mother has vitiligo. Vitiligo is hereditary which means I may get it also. If I got it, I would probably choose to whiten the parts of my skin that did not show the outward signs of vitiligo.

Should I have that choice taken away from me?

I dunno are you untested?

"Untested"? For what?
Well if you go to the pharmacy are they supposed to say sir or ma'am.
Can't be too certain with these birth certificate modifications.
Heck how are they supposed to trust you if you are untested?
You could just be trying to work for the ACLU and fired for being fake black.
Why start that balls rolling?
 
"Untested"? For what?
Well if you go to the pharmacy are they supposed to say sir or ma'am.
Can't be too certain with these birth certificate modifications.
Heck how are they supposed to trust you if you are untested?
You could just be trying to work for the ACLU and fired for being fake black.
Why start that balls rolling?

I have no fucking idea what you are talking about.
 
"Untested"? For what?
Well if you go to the pharmacy are they supposed to say sir or ma'am.
Can't be too certain with these birth certificate modifications.
Heck how are they supposed to trust you if you are untested?
You could just be trying to work for the ACLU and fired for being fake black.
Why start that balls rolling?

I have no fucking idea what you are talking about.

Outward appearances.
Dude, or ma'am.
 
I have no fucking idea what you are talking about.

Outward appearances.
Dude, or ma'am.

No idea why it is relevant whether I am called 'dude' or 'ma'am' when I buy skin-lightenging products for vitiligo, but you do you, luv.
I was commenting on outward appearances.
Your presentation could be deceitful but to you outward appearances govern gender and variations of pigment dictate race.
Completely fluid classifications.
But you you didn't parse sensibly.
Duh
 
No idea why it is relevant whether I am called 'dude' or 'ma'am' when I buy skin-lightenging products for vitiligo, but you do you, luv.
I was commenting on outward appearances.
Your presentation could be deceitful but to you outward appearances govern gender and variations of pigment dictate race.
Completely fluid classifications.
But you you didn't parse sensibly.
Duh

Um, no. Gender identity is a thought in someone's head, so outward appearances have nothing to do with it.

Variations of pigment do not govern 'race', since my mother's vitiligo did not change her race.

Try again, none. Eventually you'll transcend your screen name, and get at least one thing right.
 
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