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southernhybrid

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I just subscribed to the AJC for six months, so I look for information regarding the upcoming run off elections. I will try to share anything interesting that I find.


https://www.ajc.com/politics/politics-blog/stacey-abrams-group-finances-grassroots-efforts-to-win-senate-runoffs/QMFV4NKV6VHHFMQVBTSKQSS2NA/


The voting rights group founded by Stacey Abrams is pumping $2.7 million to boost the work of a network of grassroots organizations ahead of the Jan. 5 runoffs – not to finance more TV ads but to strengthen their get-out-the-vote apparatus.


Fair Fight announced Saturday it was contributing to 13 groups to “build the infrastructure to ensure voters are empowered and informed” said Fair Fight senior adviser Lauren Groh Wargo.

If anybody can get out the vote, it's Stacey.

Abrams helped raise more than $10 million to boost Senate Democratic candidates Jon Ossoff and Raphael Warnock in the opening days of the runoff, and a gusher of money is being spent on the push to oust or defend U.S. Sens. Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue.

I've seen posters on the NYTimes and WaPo websites say they will or have been sending money to Warnock and Ossoff, but imo, it's more helpful to support Fair Fight. If you can't get out the vote, giving money to candidates isn't going to help.

Already we are being constantly blasted with ads from all 4 candidates, but Warnock and Ossoff seem to have the most frequent ads. I've even seen some on CNBC, which was surprising to me. Right now, I'm watching an add for Ossoff, which is blasting Purdue for things he said about the virus. This was immediately followed by an ad by Warnock. These were on MSNBC, which seems like preaching to the choir. But, hey. If they have the money.....Still, I doubt that these ads are what matters as much as efforts to get out the vote.

My hope is that Stacey will once again be successful in getting out the vote, but in the past, Democrats haven't been reliable voters in run off elections so she certainly has her work cut out for her.
 

southernhybrid

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https://www.ajc.com/politics/breaking-loeffler-self-isolating-after-positive-then-inconclusive-coronavirus-tests/HXXONSSQ7RAODKO2OPSYFHHMSY/


U.S. Sen. Kelly Loeffler’s campaign said Saturday she is self-isolating after she tested positive for the coronavirus and later received an inconclusive result.


It’s not yet known how the diagnosis will affect her campaign schedule ahead of a nationally-watched Jan. 5 runoff, one of two Georgia races that will determine control of the U.S. Senate.

Nor is it immediately clear whether Vice President Mike Pence or U.S. Sen. David Perdue, whom she campaigned with on Friday, would have to quarantine. The three appeared together, without wearing masks, at two outdoor rallies in north Georgia.

Perhaps this will keep her off the campaign trail for a couple of weeks.

I also heard a commentator claim that about 100,000 Republicans in Georgia voted for Biden instead of Trump. Considering that there were a couple of Republicans for Biden signs in my neighborhood, this might be true. The concern is that these same voters won't vote for the two Democrats in the Senate runoff. That is probably likely. Some Republicans have found Trump repulsive but they are still sticking with other Republican candidates.
 

Jimmy Higgins

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I just subscribed to the AJC for six months, so I look for information regarding the upcoming run off elections. I will try to share anything interesting that I find.


https://www.ajc.com/politics/politi...in-senate-runoffs/QMFV4NKV6VHHFMQVBTSKQSS2NA/


The voting rights group founded by Stacey Abrams is pumping $2.7 million to boost the work of a network of grassroots organizations ahead of the Jan. 5 runoffs – not to finance more TV ads but to strengthen their get-out-the-vote apparatus.


Fair Fight announced Saturday it was contributing to 13 groups to “build the infrastructure to ensure voters are empowered and informed” said Fair Fight senior adviser Lauren Groh Wargo.

If anybody can get out the vote, it's Stacey.
Boots, she understands boots. That got Biden Georgia (well that and a Libertarian who finally impacted an election!).

I've seen posters on the NYTimes and WaPo websites say they will or have been sending money to Warnock and Ossoff, but imo, it's more helpful to support Fair Fight. If you can't get out the vote, giving money to candidates isn't going to help.
Yeah, she gets what is require to turnout votes.
 

TomC

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Yeah, she gets what is require to turnout votes.

You and lots of other people obviously have a high opinion of Stacey Abrams. Does she have an opinion on popular election of the POTUS?
Tom
 

Elixir

Content Thief
Yeah, she gets what is require to turnout votes.

You and lots of other people obviously have a high opinion of Stacey Abrams. Does she have an opinion on popular election of the POTUS?
Tom

Google is your friend:


Abrams, Feb. 17: [The Electoral College] is a classist, racist system whose time has passed and we need to get rid of it.

Joy Behar: But it’s going to be very hard to do, especially with Republicans in power.

Abrams: And I want to be clear, I’ve been opposed to the Electoral College for a very long time. I introduced legislation when I was in the state legislature. I co-sponsored it with a Republican to eliminate the Electoral College and to do the national popular vote. Because I don’t care if it’s a Democrat or a Republican, I’m an American and my voice should count and my vote should count and I don’t need anyone to intercede.

Behar: It requires an amendment though, it’s a big deal.

Abrams: It does. It does. Although the National Popular Vote movement, what that would do is get each state to agree to just cast their electors based on the national vote, so we can basically jerry-rig the system and go around the Constitution. I would prefer we actually fix it at the source but, you know, I don’t have that kind of time.
 

TomC

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Behar: It requires an amendment though, it’s a big deal.

Abrams: It does. It does.

OK.
Abrams isn't very well informed.

Good to know.
Tom

Oh really? What do you know about it that she doesn't?

It does. It does.

You are the one who appears uninformed, Tom.

That the USA doesn't need a Constitutional Amendment to give the electorate the ability to vote for President.

She doesn't seem to know that. I quoted her.
From a blurb that you posted.
Tom
 

Jarhyn

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I am fully for a campaign to say "Don't vote in the runoff! tRump isn't even allowed to get his name on it! It's a sham!" And see how that fares. Apparently some right wing group has already tried similar, to boycott the election so, high hopes?
 

Copernicus

Industrial Grade Linguist
https://www.ajc.com/politics/breaking-loeffler-self-isolating-after-positive-then-inconclusive-coronavirus-tests/HXXONSSQ7RAODKO2OPSYFHHMSY/


U.S. Sen. Kelly Loeffler’s campaign said Saturday she is self-isolating after she tested positive for the coronavirus and later received an inconclusive result.


It’s not yet known how the diagnosis will affect her campaign schedule ahead of a nationally-watched Jan. 5 runoff, one of two Georgia races that will determine control of the U.S. Senate.

Nor is it immediately clear whether Vice President Mike Pence or U.S. Sen. David Perdue, whom she campaigned with on Friday, would have to quarantine. The three appeared together, without wearing masks, at two outdoor rallies in north Georgia.

Perhaps this will keep her off the campaign trail for a couple of weeks.

I also heard a commentator claim that about 100,000 Republicans in Georgia voted for Biden instead of Trump. Considering that there were a couple of Republicans for Biden signs in my neighborhood, this might be true. The concern is that these same voters won't vote for the two Democrats in the Senate runoff. That is probably likely. Some Republicans have found Trump repulsive but they are still sticking with other Republican candidates.

This is what makes me pessimistic about the runoff. Biden won the popular vote by the slimmest of margins, so Ossoff and Warnock need all the votes they can possibly get. Even that may not be enough, given that Biden did not really "win" Georgia. Trump lost it. Georgia is a purple state right now, not a blue state, and the election machinery is still firmly in the hands of Republicans. Most Republicans want to keep control of the Senate, so Georgia Republicans will be highly motivated to vote. Many Democrats are not as excited about who controls the Senate, and both Republicans are incumbents. Of the two, I suspect that Loeffler is the more vulnerable Republican, but she is still a Republican. And Republicans only need one of those two to win in order to keep Mitch McConnell in a position to block any meaningful legislative progress.
 

Elixir

Content Thief
Oh really? What do you know about it that she doesn't?

That the USA doesn't need a Constitutional Amendment to give the electorate the ability to vote for President.
She doesn't seem to know that. I quoted her.

Fer crissakes...

Here's Stacey again:

"Although the National Popular Vote movement, what that would do is get each state to agree to just cast their electors based on the national vote, so we can basically jerry-rig the system and go around the Constitution. I would prefer we actually fix it at the source but, you know, I don’t have that kind of time."


Tell me again what you know that she doesn't?
(Hint: she probably knows a lot of things. I quote her saying everything she knows here, but those blue words are links to pages where more of her quotes reside.)
At least I answered your original question.

ABOLISHING the electoral college would require an amendment.
 

Copernicus

Industrial Grade Linguist
Although I like the NPV movement, it may not actually work without Congressional approval. The Constitution forbids states to enter into a "compact" on their own, and any attempt to use these state laws to force a popular election of a president would almost certainly be challenged on that basis. And I think that the Republican-heavy Supreme Court would block it, unless the outcome would produce a Republican president.
 

southernhybrid

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https://www.ajc.com/politics/breaking-loeffler-self-isolating-after-positive-then-inconclusive-coronavirus-tests/HXXONSSQ7RAODKO2OPSYFHHMSY/


U.S. Sen. Kelly Loeffler’s campaign said Saturday she is self-isolating after she tested positive for the coronavirus and later received an inconclusive result.


It’s not yet known how the diagnosis will affect her campaign schedule ahead of a nationally-watched Jan. 5 runoff, one of two Georgia races that will determine control of the U.S. Senate.

Nor is it immediately clear whether Vice President Mike Pence or U.S. Sen. David Perdue, whom she campaigned with on Friday, would have to quarantine. The three appeared together, without wearing masks, at two outdoor rallies in north Georgia.

Perhaps this will keep her off the campaign trail for a couple of weeks.



I also heard a commentator claim that about 100,000 Republicans in Georgia voted for Biden instead of Trump. Considering that there were a couple of Republicans for Biden signs in my neighborhood, this might be true. The concern is that these same voters won't vote for the two Democrats in the Senate runoff. That is probably likely. Some Republicans have found Trump repulsive but they are still sticking with other Republican candidates.

This is what makes me pessimistic about the runoff. Biden won the popular vote by the slimmest of margins, so Ossoff and Warnock need all the votes they can possibly get. Even that may not be enough, given that Biden did not really "win" Georgia. Trump lost it. Georgia is a purple state right now, not a blue state, and the election machinery is still firmly in the hands of Republicans. Most Republicans want to keep control of the Senate, so Georgia Republicans will be highly motivated to vote. Many Democrats are not as excited about who controls the Senate, and both Republicans are incumbents. Of the two, I suspect that Loeffler is the more vulnerable Republican, but she is still a Republican. And Republicans only need one of those two to win in order to keep Mitch McConnell in a position to block any meaningful legislative progress.

I am not at all optimistic about the runoff election either, mostly because Democrats in Georgia have never been reliable voters in runoff elections. In fact, I've known some Democrats who only vote in the presidential elections. This past election was an exception as hundreds of thousands of new voters made it to the polls.

The two Republican candidates are corrupt. I will try and find some articles later today that shows some of the sleazy things that have done in regards to their stock sales.

And, to be honest, none of these four candidates are very appealing imo. Perhaps the thought of Georgia having its first Black senator will motivate a huge number of newer Black voters to vote in the runoff election. Plus, there are many Trump voters in Georgia who only seem interested in Trump. His loss might make them feel apathetic about the runoff election. There are a lot of possibilities, but I do agree that there isn't much reason to be optimistic about a Democratic win in the runoff election.
 

southernhybrid

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https://www.ajc.com/politics/election/reports-say-perdue-sought-to-boost-campaign-donors-and-company-in-which-he-purchased-stock/DOTVHMOQVNGYNLSGJ7XRCV4SW4/


Sen. David Perdue faced fresh questions this week about whether he used his position in Washington to try to secure lucrative tax breaks for pro sports owners and to boost a defense contractor in which he had purchased stock.


The revelations came in separate reports by national media outlets and renewed focus on questions that have followed the Georgia Republican this election year. Perdue’s campaign said he’s done nothing wrong.

ProPublica, a non-profit news outlet, on Friday reported that Perdue has collected more than $425,000 in campaign contributions from pro sports owners and their families, including from fellow Georgia Sen. Kelly Loeffler, according to campaign finance records. Loeffler is a co-owner of the Atlanta Dream of the WNBA.


On Wednesday, a report in The Daily Beast detailed Perdue’s role on a powerful Senate subcommittee that has oversight of the U.S. Navy. It detailed his influence in the military budgeting process that benefited a submarine contractor in which Perdue had invested.

In the weeks before he became chairman of the Senate Armed Services Subcommittee on Seapower in January 2019, Perdue started purchasing stock totaling up to $190,000 in BWX Technologies, a Virginia-based firm with millions in contracts to develop high-tech components for the Navy’s nuclear submarines.

To me, it appears as if Purdue is in politics to enrich himself as well as for the power. I doubt his will matter to Republicans in Georgia, as most of them simply vote for the person with the R after their name. Plus, I am voting for the Dems in hopes of keeping the Republicans from controlling the Senate. I imagine that Republicans who don't like Purdue will vote for him to keep the Democrats from controlling the Senate, since a 50/50 Senate leaves the tie breaking vote to the VP.
 

James Brown

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In a Government class I took decades ago, it was explained to me that the reason we have the Electoral College is to help create various degrees of distance from "the mob" and the branches of government. Thus:

The common voter is one step removed from Congress, two steps removed from the Executive branch (via the Electoral college) and three steps removed from the Judicial branch (nominated and ratified by the other two branches) I forget the rationale behind this setup, but it made a queer sort of sense to me at the time.

Thus, we should be on an intimate, even first-name basis with our Representative, whereas in my circle of friends people are hard pressed to even name our Rep. It's all about Trump or Biden, and that's all that they'll think of until 2024.

If we "fix" this by directly voting for the President, will we want to directly elect Supreme Court justices too? Why not?



Also, I keep thinking about these two blog posts written by an American historian.

The Founding Fathers Did Not Trust You: The Electoral College (Part 1)


The Founding Fathers Did Not Trust You: The Electoral College (Part 2)



Even if you could figure out a good way for the Many to pick the One on their own, the Founding Fathers simply did not believe that the Many could be trusted with such a decision without oversight. The Founders firmly believed that the Common Man (and now Woman) would be easily led astray by silver-tongued demagogues and fear mongers pandering to the worst instincts of the insensate rabble, rousing the mob to dangerous and violent excesses which, left unchecked, would destroy the republic. There is no “vox populi, vox dei” in republicanism. The people are fickle, subject to irrational passions and inexplicable enthusiasms, and easily herded by those who would prey on their anxieties and appeal to their base nature.

If you doubt that, please cast your mind back over the 2016 presidential campaign and then try to tell me the Founders were wrong.


Go ahead. I dare you.
 

southernhybrid

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https://www.ajc.com/politics/politics-blog/ethics-complaints-target-loeffler-after-she-solicited-donations-in-us-capitol/YV6NF3ILHBG7VIAEYRAUANZSQU/


U.S. Sen. Kelly Loeffler is facing a pair of ethics complaints after she solicited campaign contributions for her runoff campaign during an on-camera interview at the U.S. Capitol.


The Democratic Party of Georgia and the American Democracy Legal Fund both filed complaints with the Senate ethics committee focused on her Wednesday interview with Fox News, when she told the audience to visit her campaign website to “chip in $5 or $10 to get involved, volunteer.”

State Democrats also asked the Justice Department to investigate, accusing her of “using her power as an elected official to support her own campaign” in violation of rules that prohibit members of Congress from soliciting contributions in federal buildings.

I doubt this will go anywhere, considering who is running the Justice Department. She's also made some questionable stock transactions. When I have time, I will find the articles that explain that.

Warnock is being demonized by the Republicans, including ads that show him preaching, comparing him to Rev. Wright, and some similar Black pastors. He's being called a radical who will damage families etc. I have no idea what that's supposed to be about. Are they worried that he will vote for bills that improve the safety net or social programs to help the lower/socioeconomic classes? WTF!
 

TomC

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Tell me again what you know that she doesn't?
That we don't need to "go around the Constitution", for starters.

Yes, it would be nice to update our election methods at the source. Like her, I recognize that a Constitutional Amendment would be a huge undertaking, fraught with peril in the modern political climate. The USA has changed greatly in the last couple of centuries. The Founders couldn't possibly have anticipated the current situation. I'm sure that they never expected women voting, much less blacks and injuns and Mexicans.

And the issues are beyond their comprehension. Three of the biggest issues in 2016 were federal policies concerning health care reform, income taxes, and immigration. Those issues didn't even exist in the late 18th century, much less the president meddling in such state affairs.

It's just a whole different world. The president is now expected to lead people as disparate as black urban professionals and single mothers in Mississippi and semi-rural gay people like myself, as well as the wealthy educated elite. But the EC is designed to cater to the wealthy elites. By propping up the "two" party system that keeps them in power.
Tom
 

southernhybrid

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Trump and his merry band of dumbasses want another recount in GA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAwTznTXi08

yes, of course he doesn't care about how much it will cost the tax payers in Georgia. It's just a rerun of the initial count, not another hand count. It's not going to change a thing. The Georgia election has already been certified and it doesn't need to be certified again unless this stupid recount changes anything, which it won't.


But, here's something hopeful, maybe.

https://www.ajc.com/politics/politics-blog/the-jolt-the-georgia-based-conspiracy-that-could-cost-loeffler-perdue-on-election-day/RME7ZMNFBZDYRPWS3IHG3QK7GE/

The road to demise came straight through Georgia for Powell - and could mean trouble for Sens. Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue, both up for reelection in the Jan. 5th runoff and both in need of Trump supporters’ votes to win.


Powell endorsed Collins in his run against Loeffler and Collins is now also an active member of the Trump legal team questioning Georgia’s vote count.

Former New Jersey governor Chris Christie told ABC News that Powell’s claims are “outrageous conduct by any lawyer” and called the overall Trump legal strategy to overturn the election results “a national embarrassment.”

Not only that, the claim also puts Loeffler and Perdue in the incredibly tight spot of having to back the Trump legal team’s recent call for a recount in Georgia, which both did on Sunday, even when one member of that legal team was suggesting that Loeffler’s election could be suspect, too.


The worry for Republicans, of course, is that attacking not only the voting system, but also one of the Republicans on the ballot, will turn off Trump’s most loyal followers from voting in January.

So, some hard core Trumpers are saying that they might sit out the January runoff. I have no idea how high their numbers are, but there are some Trump idiots who were crazy about TRump, but not so much about the other Republicans.

Perhaps our only chance of winning these seats is for disgruntled Trump voters to sit out this election while energized Democrats come out in large numbers. Stacey Abrams is already raising huge amounts of money for her organization to get out the vote. While I'm not overly optimistic, I suppose there is a ray of hope among all of this mess.
 

hurtinbuckaroo

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I am fully for a campaign to say "Don't vote in the runoff! tRump isn't even allowed to get his name on it! It's a sham!" And see how that fares. Apparently some right wing group has already tried similar, to boycott the election so, high hopes?

https://www.writeintrumpforgeorgiasenate.com/

Of course, there's no write-in spot on the ballot, but just tell the MAGAdiots to write his name in any available blank space.
 

Jimmy Higgins

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I am fully for a campaign to say "Don't vote in the runoff! tRump isn't even allowed to get his name on it! It's a sham!" And see how that fares. Apparently some right wing group has already tried similar, to boycott the election so, high hopes?

https://www.writeintrumpforgeorgiasenate.com/

Of course, there's no write-in spot on the ballot, but just tell the MAGAdiots to write his name in any available blank space.
That website could very well be a fake site by others that want to screw with our democracy.

Or it could the legit website of a bunch of people that want to give Trump blowjobs.

That we can't tell implies Trump has broken the GOP.
 

hurtinbuckaroo

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I am fully for a campaign to say "Don't vote in the runoff! tRump isn't even allowed to get his name on it! It's a sham!" And see how that fares. Apparently some right wing group has already tried similar, to boycott the election so, high hopes?

https://www.writeintrumpforgeorgiasenate.com/

Of course, there's no write-in spot on the ballot, but just tell the MAGAdiots to write his name in any available blank space.
That website could very well be a fake site by others that want to screw with our democracy.

Or it could the legit website of a bunch of people that want to give Trump blowjobs.

That we can't tell implies Trump has broken the GOP.

I'd say there's a significant probability that it was created by an enterprising Democrat who realizes there's a good chance of getting some Trump cultists to waste their vote. I wouldn't expect foreign intervention, because the best way to keep the country tied up in knots is for the Republicans to maintain control of the Senate.
 

lpetrich

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Conservatives Flock To Parler App, Claim Censorship On Facebook And Twitter : NPR
Maria Bartiromo, the Fox Business host, declared herself done with Twitter two days after the election.

She tweeted a link to an article that falsely claimed Democrats were trying to steal the election. Twitter hid the post behind a label warning that it contained misleading content. Twitter also notified Bartiromo that someone had complained about her account (even though it did clarify that she had not violated any rules and it was taking no action against her).

For Bartiromo, the label was the last straw.

"This is the same group who abused power in 2016," Bartiromo tweeted to her nearly 900,000 followers. "I will be leaving soon and going to Parler. Please open an account on @parler right away."
 

Jimmy Higgins

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Why are conservatives going to a french social media site?! Damn frogs!

I’m forming a true American social media site, and will call it ALL CAPS. All content will need to be posted in ALL CAPS.
 

lpetrich

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As to Parler, I think that it might be fun to troll right-wingers about "protection welfare" -- if government is so bad, then why should it be preotecting anyone?
 

Derec

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This is what makes me pessimistic about the runoff. Biden won the popular vote by the slimmest of margins, so Ossoff and Warnock need all the votes they can possibly get.

Both runoffs are long-shots, imho. Dems are notorious for their turnout dropping off a cliff when there is not a presidential election on the ballot. And doubly so if the election is a runnoff.
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By the way, what was Abrams thinking pushing Warnock on us as the party-backed candidate?
1. He is a Baptist pastor. Kinda tells you everything you need to know about his critical thinking skills.
2. He said some idiotic things about Israel.
3. He said some equally idiotic things about police.
3b. Even as Warnock has claimed that he is not in favor of defunding police, his senior advisor sure is.
[tweet]<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Must read from my sister-in-service ⁦<a href="https://twitter.com/paigejfernandez?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@paigejfernandez</a>⁩. The movement to defund the police isn’t as radical as some may think. It’s about a complete reimagining of law enforcement in the United States. <a href="https://t.co/1t8WWupOXO">https://t.co/1t8WWupOXO</a></p>— Dasheika Ruffin (@DasheikaRuffin) <a href="https://twitter.com/DasheikaRuffin/status/1269064917807779840?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>[/tweet]
4. He continued to support radical pastor Jeremiah "God damn America!" Wright even after Obama distanced himself from him.

Still, the color of his skin should be enough to give him almost all the black vote. So he will probably do better than Ossoff.

Even that may not be enough, given that Biden did not really "win" Georgia. Trump lost it. Georgia is a purple state right now, not a blue state, and the election machinery is still firmly in the hands of Republicans. Most Republicans want to keep control of the Senate, so Georgia Republicans will be highly motivated to vote.
Unless they get disappointed when Georgia certifies for Biden. That's basically Dems' only hope for these runoffs.

Many Democrats are not as excited about who controls the Senate, and both Republicans are incumbents.
Even after Merrick Garland, they still don't learn ...

Of the two, I suspect that Loeffler is the more vulnerable Republican, but she is still a Republican. And Republicans only need one of those two to win in order to keep Mitch McConnell in a position to block any meaningful legislative progress.
I agree. Between her being a weaker candidate and the built-in advantage for Warnock regarding the black vote, she will probably do worse than Perdue. But unless there is a full-blown revolt against GOP by the MAGAs, I expect both to win.
 

Derec

Well-known member
In a Government class I took decades ago, it was explained to me that the reason we have the Electoral College is to help create various degrees of distance from "the mob" and the branches of government. Thus:

The common voter is one step removed from Congress, two steps removed from the Executive branch (via the Electoral college) and three steps removed from the Judicial branch (nominated and ratified by the other two branches) I forget the rationale behind this setup, but it made a queer sort of sense to me at the time.

Thus, we should be on an intimate, even first-name basis with our Representative, whereas in my circle of friends people are hard pressed to even name our Rep. It's all about Trump or Biden, and that's all that they'll think of until 2024.

If we "fix" this by directly voting for the President, will we want to directly elect Supreme Court justices too? Why not?

Many other countries don't have head of government elected by the people directly. In UK or Germany, candidates for Prime Minister and Chancellor are not on the ballot except in their constituencies. Instead, they get elected by the House of Commons and the Bundestag, respectively. The strangeness of the US system is that the president is on the ballot, but then it goes through the convoluted EC process.

Btw, I would welcome direct vote for president since that office is on the ballot and thus should be elected directly.
But I would get rid of directly voting for DAs and judges as many (most? all?) states are doing.
 

southernhybrid

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https://www.ajc.com/politics/jewish-leaders-defend-raphael-warnock-after-loeffler-attacks/K57ARLIMJNFIJF6TNSNBICOKMM/

One of the ways that the Republicans are trying to demonize Warnock is by making claims that he hates Israel and is anti Semitic. But apparently some Jewish folks don't agree with that.

In the hours after a gunman in Pittsburgh opened fire at the Tree of Life Synagogue in 2018, the phone rang in Atlanta for Rabbi Peter Berg, the leader of The Temple, Atlanta’s oldest Jewish congregation.


It was the Rev. Raphael Warnock, the senior pastor at Ebenezer Baptist Church.

“Raphael was the first to call,” Berg said. “(He said that) during this horrific moment of anti-Semitism in our country, he and the Ebenezer family are with us.”

There aren't really many Jewish people in Georgia, other than in the Atlanta area, but I hope that Jewish leaders will defend the false claim against Warnock and perhaps at least help some realize the disinformation that his opponent is proclaiming. Plus, by making it obvious that Loeffler and the Republicans are lying, maybe this will motivate more people to get out and vote for the Dems, or it might keep some Republicans from voting.

As we've said before, it's all going to be about turnout, and just because Democrats haven't been reliable in the past when it comes to runoff elections, doesn't mean that won't change. No, I'm not optimistic, but I think it's foolish to simply give up.. So many false claims are being made about the two Democrats, that it's disgusting.
 

Copernicus

Industrial Grade Linguist
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Of the two, I suspect that Loeffler is the more vulnerable Republican, but she is still a Republican. And Republicans only need one of those two to win in order to keep Mitch McConnell in a position to block any meaningful legislative progress.
I agree. Between her being a weaker candidate and the built-in advantage for Warnock regarding the black vote, she will probably do worse than Perdue. But unless there is a full-blown revolt against GOP by the MAGAs, I expect both to win.

Oh, don't worry so much, Derec. It's pretty clear that the color of Loeffler's skin will matter much more in Georgia than the color of Warnock's skin. It's probably her gender, lying to voters about the dangers of COVID, and insider trading deals that will cut into her victory margin.
 

southernhybrid

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I just received a card in the mail from the Democratic Party with lots of information regarding the run off election. Naturally, my husband and I are well informed about early voting, absentee voting etc. But, I think this mailer was a good idea, since there are some people who don't follow elections and politics that closely. It appears as if the Dems are doing as much as possible to get out the vote. Again, it's all about turn out.
 

Copernicus

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Some of Trump's ardent supporters are calling upon fellow MAGA-ites to take action to protest the rampant fraud that led to Biden's win in Georgia: Trump’s conspiracies have MAGA world talking Georgia boycott.

President Donald Trump’s demonization of mail-in voting may have cost him votes in the recent election. Now, his demonization of Georgia’s entire electoral system is hurting his party’s chances at keeping the Senate.

Driven by Trump’s insistence that Georgia’s elections are indelibly rife with fraud, conspiratorial MAGA figures are calling for a boycott of the two Senate runoff races, slated for Jan. 5, that will determine which party controls the upper chamber.

Their reason: The two GOP candidates, Sens. Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue, are not only insufficiently pro-Trump, they may be complicit in Georgia’s electoral fraud...

This is a stunningly important discovery for all Georgia Republicans, and I hope that they can get the word out far and wide before they make the mistake of voting for those two devious, disloyal RINOs. :whisper: :hehe:
 

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Some of Trump's ardent supporters are calling upon fellow MAGA-ites to take action to protest the rampant fraud that led to Biden's win in Georgia: Trump’s conspiracies have MAGA world talking Georgia boycott.

President Donald Trump’s demonization of mail-in voting may have cost him votes in the recent election. Now, his demonization of Georgia’s entire electoral system is hurting his party’s chances at keeping the Senate.

Driven by Trump’s insistence that Georgia’s elections are indelibly rife with fraud, conspiratorial MAGA figures are calling for a boycott of the two Senate runoff races, slated for Jan. 5, that will determine which party controls the upper chamber.

Their reason: The two GOP candidates, Sens. Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue, are not only insufficiently pro-Trump, they may be complicit in Georgia’s electoral fraud...

This is a stunningly important discovery for all Georgia Republicans, and I hope that they can get the word out far and wide before they make the mistake of voting for those two devious, disloyal RINOs. :whisper: :hehe:

Whatever keeps Mr & Mrs Hogwallop away from the polls.
 

Copernicus

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The Washington Post is also reporting on the MAGA movement's anger towards Loeffler and Perdue: Trump’s baseless election fraud claims in Georgia turn Senate runoffs into a ‘high-wire act’ for Republicans

Sen. David Perdue was encouraging a crowd at a gun club south of Atlanta to support him and fellow Republican Kelly Loeffler in their bid for Georgia's Senate seats, which he called the only thing standing between America and "a radical socialist agenda."

But five minutes into the senator's speech, a man interrupted.

“What are you doing to help Donald Trump and this fraud case?” the man screamed, as one woman said “Amen” and the crowd applauded. “What are you doing to stop what’s been going on here and this election fraud?”

One prominent Trump ally, Atlanta attorney Lin Wood, who unsuccessfully sued Georgia election officials to stop the certification of the vote, has urged Republican voters not to vote in elections with Dominion machines.

Wood has attacked Perdue and Loeffler for not doing enough to help, and told his 631,000 Twitter followers last weekend that if the senators don’t step up their support, he would take a pass on Jan. 5.

“If not fixed, I will NOT vote in GA runoff,” he tweeted.

Asked whether his efforts would depress GOP turnout, Wood told The Washington Post via email that the Dominion machines “have no integrity” and insisted that “Georgia can vote by written ballot if necessary in January.”

Raffensperger, among the most outspoken who have said such talk will hurt Loeffler’s and Perdue’s chances, expressed exasperation at Wood’s comments. After all, a statewide audit of the presidential result, in which every ballot was recounted by hand, disproved the claims about the voting machines.
 

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The Washington Post is also reporting on the MAGA movement's anger towards Loeffler and Perdue: Trump’s baseless election fraud claims in Georgia turn Senate runoffs into a ‘high-wire act’ for Republicans

Sen. David Perdue was encouraging a crowd at a gun club south of Atlanta to support him and fellow Republican Kelly Loeffler in their bid for Georgia's Senate seats, which he called the only thing standing between America and "a radical socialist agenda."

But five minutes into the senator's speech, a man interrupted.

“What are you doing to help Donald Trump and this fraud case?” the man screamed, as one woman said “Amen” and the crowd applauded. “What are you doing to stop what’s been going on here and this election fraud?”

One prominent Trump ally, Atlanta attorney Lin Wood, who unsuccessfully sued Georgia election officials to stop the certification of the vote, has urged Republican voters not to vote in elections with Dominion machines.

Wood has attacked Perdue and Loeffler for not doing enough to help, and told his 631,000 Twitter followers last weekend that if the senators don’t step up their support, he would take a pass on Jan. 5.

“If not fixed, I will NOT vote in GA runoff,” he tweeted.

Asked whether his efforts would depress GOP turnout, Wood told The Washington Post via email that the Dominion machines “have no integrity” and insisted that “Georgia can vote by written ballot if necessary in January.”

Raffensperger, among the most outspoken who have said such talk will hurt Loeffler’s and Perdue’s chances, expressed exasperation at Wood’s comments. After all, a statewide audit of the presidential result, in which every ballot was recounted by hand, disproved the claims about the voting machines.

So Wood thinks that a bunch of trump followers, who are already mad at the Republican candidates in the runoff for not doing more to support Trump's fraud conspiracy theory, are going to go to the trouble of obtaining and handing in a paper ballot. Riiiight.
 
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