Is nature the only true, holy, and worthy God?

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

If god is nature then humans are god despite the fact that very many humans unintelligently speak and act as if they are not natural. This of course is why they act self destructively.

That may be because we are dualistic thinkers and our love of War, as the epitome of the drama we all love and crave, has a flip side of death wish.

We are, at our core, engines that consume bread and circuses, as Socrates indicated we are.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

That was the standpoint of the Stoics of old. A frequently disrepected and abandoned religious tradition, in the modern world. But perhaps that is why we're burning our planet to death.

Nah....We are burning our planet to death because of our long standing ignorance. Now that we know that our bad habits have had a negative impact on our planet, it's really hard to change the mess that we made because change is really hard. We are creatures of habit. It's hard to change long standing habits that we were taught as children. Plus, it's hard to get the world to unite over anything. I think it's probably close to hopeless at this point.

I would say we are off topic, but I'm not sure that there really is a topic to this tread. We should respect Nature, but I don't think that Mother Nature is a god. Just ask WAB. He might be able to 'splain it better.

Nature is not described the same way as our vile gods, true, but if we do not circle around the Earth, en masse, including the religious, we may doom humanity.

Circling around non-earthly gods has not done us any good.

In fact, I see more harm than good in supernatural belief.

Regards
DL

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Is nature the only true, holy, and worthy God?

We are ignoring the only deity that can and does speak to us. Nature, via our deteriorating eco system.

Instead, we listen to the promises of the religious liars who promote a supernatural savior entity, --- instead of having us move on our own and carry our crosses the way Jesus tells us to do.

To save the Earth, we need to ignore, --- better still, --- shed supernatural beliefs, --- and start believing in and sanctifying our physical reality Nature, and the Earth that sustains us.

Jesus said that at some point in time, we would elect a new god.

I see this as a good time for that, as we are a part of a major global extinction event that will change us, if not end us.

Perhaps it will make us care more about each other if we are voting with or against each other for a new savior.

Holy is a title that one gives to that which has earned it.

It is demonstrable that nature creates for the best possible end to all life.

Scriptures have God creating souls for the worst possible end on the wide road to hell, as compared to the small path to heaven.

I vote for nature. I can hear her, and she is nicer.

What/who do you hear?

Regards
DL

Nature Is a Crime Against Humanity

You're treating Nature as supernatural, which is a contradiction. Man, with his intelligence, is not designed to fit in with nature but must conquer it. Nature's mindless tendency towards us is to create our extinction. Nature is the enemy of man, who must fight it, subjugate it, and transform it. Your antipathy towards religion has made you go off into the wild blue yonder, deifying Nature and make us passively submit to its diabolical forces of mass destruction. Killer viruses thrive in natural air, which is the most toxic of all atmospheres.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

That was the standpoint of the Stoics of old. A frequently disrepected and abandoned religious tradition, in the modern world. But perhaps that is why we're burning our planet to death.

Nah....We are burning our planet to death because of our long standing ignorance. Now that we know that our bad habits have had a negative impact on our planet, it's really hard to change the mess that we made because change is really hard. We are creatures of habit. It's hard to change long standing habits that we were taught as children. Plus, it's hard to get the world to unite over anything. I think it's probably close to hopeless at this point.

I would say we are off topic, but I'm not sure that there really is a topic to this tread. We should respect Nature, but I don't think that Mother Nature is a god. Just ask WAB. He might be able to 'splain it better.

Godzillas

When God is dead, many lost, confused, and manipulated humans will follow far worse gods to fill the vacuum. Environmentalism and Statism are replacement theologies.

 

[steve_bank]

That was the standpoint of the Stoics of old. A frequently disrepected and abandoned religious tradition, in the modern world. But perhaps that is why we're burning our planet to death.

Nah....We are burning our planet to death because of our long standing ignorance. Now that we know that our bad habits have had a negative impact on our planet, it's really hard to change the mess that we made because change is really hard. We are creatures of habit. It's hard to change long standing habits that we were taught as children. Plus, it's hard to get the world to unite over anything. I think it's probably close to hopeless at this point.

I would say we are off topic, but I'm not sure that there really is a topic to this tread. We should respect Nature, but I don't think that Mother Nature is a god. Just ask WAB. He might be able to 'splain it better.

Godzillas

When God is dead, many lost, confused, and manipulated humans will follow far worse gods to fill the vacuum. Environmentalism and Statism are replacement theologies.

A cross between Ayn Rand and Shaun Hannity?

The new god is the worship of gross consumption and self indulgence. All that matters is profit to the point of self destruction.

Environmentalism? Free Market Capital -ISM. I was an engineer and party to the rise of modern technology, I know it well. The profit incentive.

Equating environmentalism to Stalinism and communism is an old conservative fall back position, worthy of FOX News. When in doubt and unable to make a coheret objection to something call it communism.

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

Is nature the only true, holy, and worthy God?

We are ignoring the only deity that can and does speak to us. Nature, via our deteriorating eco system.

Instead, we listen to the promises of the religious liars who promote a supernatural savior entity, --- instead of having us move on our own and carry our crosses the way Jesus tells us to do.

To save the Earth, we need to ignore, --- better still, --- shed supernatural beliefs, --- and start believing in and sanctifying our physical reality Nature, and the Earth that sustains us.

Jesus said that at some point in time, we would elect a new god.

I see this as a good time for that, as we are a part of a major global extinction event that will change us, if not end us.

Perhaps it will make us care more about each other if we are voting with or against each other for a new savior.

Holy is a title that one gives to that which has earned it.

It is demonstrable that nature creates for the best possible end to all life.

Scriptures have God creating souls for the worst possible end on the wide road to hell, as compared to the small path to heaven.

I vote for nature. I can hear her, and she is nicer.

What/who do you hear?

Regards
DL

Nature Is a Crime Against Humanity

You're treating Nature as supernatural, which is a contradiction. Man, with his intelligence, is not designed to fit in with nature but must conquer it. Nature's mindless tendency towards us is to create our extinction. Nature is the enemy of man, who must fight it, subjugate it, and transform it. Your antipathy towards religion has made you go off into the wild blue yonder, deifying Nature and make us passively submit to its diabolical forces of mass destruction. Killer viruses thrive in natural air, which is the most toxic of all atmospheres.

We have done a lot of what you suggest, and many fear for our extinction.

We do have many things that kill us, but not enough, given how our numbers are making the Earth a banana republic with only us as the main species.

The most vulnerable position we can put ourselves in.

To conquer nature fully is to murder ourselves.

Use nature well and she pays back.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

That was the standpoint of the Stoics of old. A frequently disrepected and abandoned religious tradition, in the modern world. But perhaps that is why we're burning our planet to death.

Nah....We are burning our planet to death because of our long standing ignorance. Now that we know that our bad habits have had a negative impact on our planet, it's really hard to change the mess that we made because change is really hard. We are creatures of habit. It's hard to change long standing habits that we were taught as children. Plus, it's hard to get the world to unite over anything. I think it's probably close to hopeless at this point.

I would say we are off topic, but I'm not sure that there really is a topic to this tread. We should respect Nature, but I don't think that Mother Nature is a god. Just ask WAB. He might be able to 'splain it better.

Godzillas

When God is dead, many lost, confused, and manipulated humans will follow far worse gods to fill the vacuum. Environmentalism and Statism are replacement theologies.

Indeed, but a lot better than the vile and immoral mainstream god religions.

Regards
DL

 

[steve_bank]

I suppose 2000 years ago Gnostic wolud be proclaiming 'I am the light and the way'....

He is playing the role of a latter day Jesus.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Godzillas

When God is dead, many lost, confused, and manipulated humans will follow far worse gods to fill the vacuum. Environmentalism and Statism are replacement theologies.

A cross between Ayn Rand and Shaun Hannity?

The new god is the worship of gross consumption and self indulgence. All that matters is profit to the point of self destruction.

Environmentalism? Free Market Capital -ISM. I was an engineer and party to the rise of modern technology, I know it well. The profit incentive.

No Drive in the Chauffeured

HeirHeads, who never earned anything but were given everything through Daddy's Money, despise people who have to earn everything, who cherish more the more they get by themselves.

 

[steve_bank]

Godzillas

When God is dead, many lost, confused, and manipulated humans will follow far worse gods to fill the vacuum. Environmentalism and Statism are replacement theologies.

A cross between Ayn Rand and Shaun Hannity?

The new god is the worship of gross consumption and self indulgence. All that matters is profit to the point of self destruction.

Environmentalism? Free Market Capital -ISM. I was an engineer and party to the rise of modern technology, I know it well. The profit incentive.

No Drive in the Chauffeured

HeirHeads, who never earned anything but were given everything through Daddy's Money, despise people who have to earn everything, who cherish more the more they get by themselves.

The ignore list is a wondaful feature. You are posting on the wrong forum, try politics. Do you have a point on relgion?

 

[steve_bank]

I suppose 2000 years ago Gnostic wolud be proclaiming 'I am the light and the way'....

He is playing the role of a latter day Jesus.

Adding

Gnostic has all the ear marks of an Evangelical ranter. The evil ones who do not see things my way.

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

I suppose 2000 years ago Gnostic wolud be proclaiming 'I am the light and the way'....

He is playing the role of a latter day Jesus.

No.

I seek Christ in me.

You are incorrect as we proclaim that we are all lights and are able to make our way without a genocidal prick of a god to guide us into homophobia and misogyny.

Women and gays are made in God's image.

Men know this. The lesser men do not.



Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

I suppose 2000 years ago Gnostic wolud be proclaiming 'I am the light and the way'....

He is playing the role of a latter day Jesus.

Adding

Gnostic has all the ear marks of an Evangelical ranter. The evil ones who do not see things my way.

Guilty.

I am fanatical against evil.

I am also correct in all moral matters.

Regards
DL

 

[atrib]

Besides... the mechanisms of the universe, the fixed laws & processes, producing the USUAL properties in matter, is mechanically superior, it seems to me. Man made machines don't maintain themselves. If there's no one there to maintain them -the machines will never run again. The universe is always in motion, spinning and coliding forming more of the repetitive same...so predictable you can produce charts and periodic tables by etc. & etc.

Everything runs down. Whether it is life forms, stars, galaxies, and black holes created by nature, or machines created by humans - everything eventually runs down. Humans run down and die in 50 to 100 years, stars live for millions (super-giants) to hundreds of billions (red dwarfs) of years, while some structures like back holes last for trillions of trillions of years. But they all eventually wither away to nothing.

Your second point is that nature appears to be a machine, and I think it is wrong to characterize it that way. The reality we observe is driven by the interaction of matter and energy following apparently simple patterns which we call the laws of nature. Our universe is very young, a mere 13.8 billion years old, and it started from a state of low entropy and very small inhomogeneities that resulted in the existence of matter/energy gradients across spacetime. It is the existence of these gradients that make the universe behave the way it does today, but these gradients will be equalized over time, and in about 10^150 years or so these gradients will cease to exist. And time will cease to exist along with it.

 

[ideologyhunter]

Ohhhh, yeah. And for everyone who aspires to live (or rent) in heaven, consider the setting: 1500 square miles, walls of jasper, streets and buildings of pure gold. A safe, gated community, you think? Just wait 'til the quarks, leptons, and bosons decide to go their separate ways. You better hope Yahweh has a good chemistry set.

 

[atrib]

I suppose 2000 years ago Gnostic wolud be proclaiming 'I am the light and the way'....

He is playing the role of a latter day Jesus.

Adding

Gnostic has all the ear marks of an Evangelical ranter. The evil ones who do not see things my way.

Yes. He apparently wants only to proselytize, and is unwilling to listen to differing opinions. He also likes to make new definitions for things that already have definitions - like redefining nature to be god, when in reality they refer to different things.

 

[steve_bank]

I suppose 2000 years ago Gnostic wolud be proclaiming 'I am the light and the way'....

He is playing the role of a latter day Jesus.

Adding

Gnostic has all the ear marks of an Evangelical ranter. The evil ones who do not see things my way.

Guilty.

I am fanatical against evil.

I am also correct in all moral matters.

Regards
DL

Didn't Jesus say something about seeing the mote in ones own eyes, or casting the first stone? You are a Christian are you not?

 

[steve_bank]

I suppose 2000 years ago Gnostic wolud be proclaiming 'I am the light and the way'....

He is playing the role of a latter day Jesus.

No.

I seek Christ in me.

You are incorrect as we proclaim that we are all lights and are able to make our way without a genocidal prick of a god to guide us into homophobia and misogyny.

Women and gays are made in God's image.

Men know this. The lesser men do not.



Regards
DL

As I said, you get off on playing Jesus. Just like those evil mainstream Christians do.

All I ask of anyone is practice what you preach.

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

I suppose 2000 years ago Gnostic wolud be proclaiming 'I am the light and the way'....

He is playing the role of a latter day Jesus.

Adding

Gnostic has all the ear marks of an Evangelical ranter. The evil ones who do not see things my way.

Yes. He apparently wants only to proselytize, and is unwilling to listen to differing opinions. He also likes to make new definitions for things that already have definitions - like redefining nature to be god, when in reality they refer to different things.

Eh, really.

Earth, in reality, is our creator and sustainer.

God's first attributes are creator and sustainer.

Defining god as supernatural is stupid, given the evidence of nature filling the first two main descriptions.

You win this one though.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

Guilty.

I am fanatical against evil.

I am also correct in all moral matters.

Regards
DL

Didn't Jesus say something about seeing the mote in ones own eyes, or casting the first stone? You are a Christian are you not?

I am Catholic born, Protestant led to thinking and interest, skeptic by nature and like Christianity and all Abrahamic cults, follow a naturalistic religion. Yahweh and Nature are interchangeable in this myth.

When I learned enough, I suffered my apotheosis and chose Gnostic Christianity as the best way to continue with my overall agenda of trying to lose moral arguments.

In Gnostic Christian traditions, I will never die/lose an argument.

A shame not to have that pleasure.

Regards
DL