Trans Derail From Ilhan Omar vs. Colorism

[Metaphor]

Again: you must be fucking kidding.

The left continually attacks people who make choices they don't like, including (but not limited to) leveraging the State against them.

The left attacks those who attack others. That's defense, not offense.

The left attacks anybody and everybody whose views differ from theirs. The left attacked Lil Nas X for saying he liked dick, for fuck's sake. The left attacked JK Rowling for saying women as a sex class exist, for fuck's sake. The left define any view opposed to theirs as an 'attack' on them. For fuck's sake, the left think Dave Chappelle's joke in his latest special is literally killing trans people.

 

[ZiprHead]

Again: you must be fucking kidding.

The left continually attacks people who make choices they don't like, including (but not limited to) leveraging the State against them.

The left attacks those who attack others. That's defense, not offense.

The left attacks anybody and everybody whose views differ from theirs. The left attacked Lil Nas X for saying he liked dick, for fuck's sake. The left attacked JK Rowling for saying women as a sex class exist, for fuck's sake. The left define any view opposed to theirs as an 'attack' on them. For fuck's sake, the left think Dave Chappelle's joke in his latest special is literally killing trans people.

Transgender people face extraordinary levels of physical and sexual violence, whether on the streets, at school or work, at home, or at the hands of government officials. More than one in four trans people has faced a bias-driven assault, and rates are higher for trans women and trans people of color.

BTW, can you provide the text of Chappelle's joke?

 

[Metaphor]

The left attacks anybody and everybody whose views differ from theirs. The left attacked Lil Nas X for saying he liked dick, for fuck's sake. The left attacked JK Rowling for saying women as a sex class exist, for fuck's sake. The left define any view opposed to theirs as an 'attack' on them. For fuck's sake, the left think Dave Chappelle's joke in his latest special is literally killing trans people.

Transgender people face extraordinary levels of physical and sexual violence, whether on the streets, at school or work, at home, or at the hands of government officials. More than one in four trans people has faced a bias-driven assault, and rates are higher for trans women and trans people of color.

BTW, can you provide the text of Chappelle's joke?

It's difficult to find full quotes as well as a website without a particular slant, but this quotes his special:

https://tvline.com/2021/10/11/dave-chappelle-netflix-controversy-explained-the-closer-transphobia/

Unfortunately, Chappelle's language is muddled when he says 'gender is a fact' (a statement which trans ideologists would presumably support). Chappelle means "sex is a fact".

 

[Trausti]

The left attacks anybody and everybody whose views differ from theirs. The left attacked Lil Nas X for saying he liked dick, for fuck's sake. The left attacked JK Rowling for saying women as a sex class exist, for fuck's sake. The left define any view opposed to theirs as an 'attack' on them. For fuck's sake, the left think Dave Chappelle's joke in his latest special is literally killing trans people.

Transgender people face extraordinary levels of physical and sexual violence, whether on the streets, at school or work, at home, or at the hands of government officials. More than one in four trans people has faced a bias-driven assault, and rates are higher for trans women and trans people of color.

BTW, can you provide the text of Chappelle's joke?

Are We in the Midst of a Transgender Murder Epidemic?

Not only is there no “epidemic” of murders of transgender individuals, it’s also not true that most trans murders are motivated by “hate.” The first case I reviewed while researching this article, that of Claire Legato, involved a trans woman killed while attempting to break up a physical dispute over a financial debt between her own mother and a close family friend. This was not atypical. The conservative writer Chad Greene, himself a member of the LGBT community, recently reviewed a sample of 118 of the cases of anti-trans homicide compiled by the Human Rights Campaign. His conclusion: exactly four of the perpetrators were clearly motivated by “anti-trans bias,” animus, or hatred. In contrast, 37 of the murders were due to domestic violence, and 24 involved sex workers and were largely the result of the dangerous working conditions associated with illegal sex work. More than a few others were essentially random acts of violence: one of the victims in Greene’s data set was Jordan Cofer, the transgender man murdered by the Dayton Shooter. (Greene’s work can be found here.)

There is no reason any of this should be surprising. It is widely known among criminologists and political scientists that, for all the media furor about inter-racial crimes, the significant majority of serious crime is intra-racial. Inner-city shooters and tough “rednecks” almost never travel to attack one another. From 1980 through to the modern era, according to PolitiFact, 85 per cent of white murder victims have been killed by other whites, and 93 per cent of black murder victims have been killed by other blacks. What is true for all Americans appears to also be true of trans people.
The truth is there is no epidemic of transgender murders. The recorded transgender murder rate is 1/3 or less of the overall murder rate for all American citizens and legal residents. Further, when such murders do occur, few are motivated by hatred and roughly 80 per cent are same-race killings.

 

[ZiprHead]

Are We in the Midst of a Transgender Murder Epidemic?

Not only is there no “epidemic” of murders of transgender individuals, it’s also not true that most trans murders are motivated by “hate.” The first case I reviewed while researching this article, that of Claire Legato, involved a trans woman killed while attempting to break up a physical dispute over a financial debt between her own mother and a close family friend. This was not atypical. The conservative writer Chad Greene, himself a member of the LGBT community, recently reviewed a sample of 118 of the cases of anti-trans homicide compiled by the Human Rights Campaign. His conclusion: exactly four of the perpetrators were clearly motivated by “anti-trans bias,” animus, or hatred. In contrast, 37 of the murders were due to domestic violence, and 24 involved sex workers and were largely the result of the dangerous working conditions associated with illegal sex work. More than a few others were essentially random acts of violence: one of the victims in Greene’s data set was Jordan Cofer, the transgender man murdered by the Dayton Shooter. (Greene’s work can be found here.)

There is no reason any of this should be surprising. It is widely known among criminologists and political scientists that, for all the media furor about inter-racial crimes, the significant majority of serious crime is intra-racial. Inner-city shooters and tough “rednecks” almost never travel to attack one another. From 1980 through to the modern era, according to PolitiFact, 85 per cent of white murder victims have been killed by other whites, and 93 per cent of black murder victims have been killed by other blacks. What is true for all Americans appears to also be true of trans people.
The truth is there is no epidemic of transgender murders. The recorded transgender murder rate is 1/3 or less of the overall murder rate for all American citizens and legal residents. Further, when such murders do occur, few are motivated by hatred and roughly 80 per cent are same-race killings.

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Overall, we rate Quillette Questionable based on the promotion of racial pseudoscience, the use of poor sources, and failed fact checks.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/quillette/

Try harder.

 

[Metaphor]

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Overall, we rate Quillette Questionable based on the promotion of racial pseudoscience, the use of poor sources, and failed fact checks.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/quillette/

Try harder.

I would suggest you do not try harder, Trausti, because ZiprHead is not interested in any information that would contradict his narrative.

First, we are meant to believe that ZiprHead's website, transequality.org, which he used to insinuate that Chappelle's joke was literally killing trans people, does not show "extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no sourcing to credible information, a complete lack of transparency, and/or is fake news."

Second, we are meant to believe that the actual page ZiprHead linked to shows the statistics of this alleged murder epidemic, but it does no such thing.

Third, we are meant to believe that mediabiasfactcheck.com is itself unbiased in its ratings. It is a naked appeal to authority.

Fourth, we are meant to believe that 'questionable source' means that we never need to look at a claim or article on its own merits. It is tarnished forever and no examination of its content needs to be undertaken. ZiprHead has not even read your link. He doesn't want to try to refute anything in it, he simply wants it dismissed.

 

[ZiprHead]

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Overall, we rate Quillette Questionable based on the promotion of racial pseudoscience, the use of poor sources, and failed fact checks.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/quillette/

Try harder.

FFS. You use link to an activist website and then criticize someone else for a link you imagine is bias. That's hella chutzpah.

hrc.org-Fatal Violence Against the Transgender and Gender Non-Conforming Community in 2021

https://news.berkeley.edu-Why is anti-trans violence on the rise in America?

https://www.nbcnews.com-As anti-trans violence surges, advocates demand policy reform

https://www.theguardian.com-2021 on pace to be deadliest yet for trans and gender non-conforming Americans

I used the first link I posted because the quote was succinct. It's certainly not hard to find evidence of violence against trans people being a large problem.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

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Overall, we rate Quillette Questionable based on the promotion of racial pseudoscience, the use of poor sources, and failed fact checks.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/quillette/

Try harder.

FFS. You use link to an activist website and then criticize someone else for a link you imagine is bias. That's hella chutzpah.

He's linking to a catalog of what sites are biased and not biased, not linking to a biased site.

 

[Metaphor]

FFS. You use link to an activist website and then criticize someone else for a link you imagine is bias. That's hella chutzpah.

He's linking to a catalog of what sites are biased and not biased, not linking to a biased site.

No, ZiprHead linked to transequality.org, an activist website.

He then dismissed Trausti's source without even reading it by referring to mediabiasfactcheck.com, as if we had any good reason to trust that that website is not a 'questionable source'! How does ZiprHead know about its trustworthiness? Did mediabiasfactcheck check itself?

 

[Metaphor]

hrc.org-Fatal Violence Against the Transgender and Gender Non-Conforming Community in 2021

Incredible - you link to HRC for numbers, when the Quillette article you dismissed without even reading used those same numbers!

Try again.

https://news.berkeley.edu-Why is anti-trans violence on the rise in America?

Good job linking to another activist article, which does not show that trans people are being killed disproportionately to anybody else.

Try again.

https://www.nbcnews.com-As anti-trans violence surges, advocates demand policy reform

Good job linking to another activist article, which does not show that trans people are being killed disproportionately to anybody else.

Try again.

https://www.theguardian.com-2021 on pace to be deadliest yet for trans and gender non-conforming Americans

Ditto.

I used the first link I posted because the quote was succinct. It's certainly not hard to find evidence of violence against trans people being a large problem.

Move those goalposts! When you define everything as violence, including jokes by Dave Chappelle, I agree that evidence of violence is easy to come by.

But you have not proved that there is an epidemic of trans killings.

 

[Trausti]

FFS. You use link to an activist website and then criticize someone else for a link you imagine is bias. That's hella chutzpah.

He's linking to a catalog of what sites are biased and not biased, not linking to a biased site.

His first link was to an activist website.

 

[ZiprHead]

Incredi[/URL]ble - you link to HRC for numbers, when the Quillette article you dismissed without even reading used those same numbers!

Try again.



Good job linking to another activist article, which does not show that trans people are being killed disproportionately to anybody else.

Try again.

https://www.nbcnews.com-As anti-trans violence surges, advocates demand policy reform

Good job linking to another activist article, which does not show that trans people are being killed disproportionately to anybody else.

Try again.

https://www.theguardian.com-2021 on pace to be deadliest yet for trans and gender non-conforming Americans

Ditto.

I used the first link I posted because the quote was succinct. It's certainly not hard to find evidence of violence against trans people being a large problem.

Move those goalposts! When you define everything as violence, including jokes by Dave Chappelle, I agree that evidence of violence is easy to come by.

But you have not proved that there is an epidemic of trans killings.

You accused me on not reading Trausti's link, I did. But it's quite apparent you didn't even read the titles to the other links I posted. No goal post moving involved. As I said, the quote was the most succinct description the situation.

HRC and Quillette used the same numbers but were far differant in what was said about them.

Compare HRC.org to the quillette review I posted earlier.


And making fun of people for intrinsic characteristics is bigotry. And we all know bigotry can sometimes lead to violence.

 

[Metaphor]

Incredi[/URL]ble - you link to HRC for numbers, when the Quillette article you dismissed without even reading used those same numbers!

Try again.



Good job linking to another activist article, which does not show that trans people are being killed disproportionately to anybody else.

Try again.



Good job linking to another activist article, which does not show that trans people are being killed disproportionately to anybody else.

Try again.



Ditto.

I used the first link I posted because the quote was succinct. It's certainly not hard to find evidence of violence against trans people being a large problem.

Move those goalposts! When you define everything as violence, including jokes by Dave Chappelle, I agree that evidence of violence is easy to come by.

But you have not proved that there is an epidemic of trans killings.

You accused me on not reading Trausti's link, I did. But it's quite apparent you didn't even read the titles to the other links I posted. No goal post moving involved. As I said, the quote was the most succinct description the situation.

HRC and Quillette used the same numbers but were far differant in what was said about them.

Compare HRC.org to the quillette review I posted earlier.
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And making fun of people for intrinsic characteristics is bigotry. And we all know bigotry can sometimes lead to violence.

I read all your links. They mostly talked about the same numbers gathered by HRC. None of your links--none of them--attempted to position the numbers with a comparison--like the overall number of murders in America.

A fact-checking outfit would call that 'missing context'.

It is incredible to me that you once again quote your bias website--how do I know your bias rating website is unbiased? Also, incredibly, you still continue to dismiss the Quillette calculations, even though it uses the HRC numbers!!

You are correct that HRC and Quillette used the same numbers. Quillette provided context and showed that in no way could trans murders be described as an epidemic of any sort, and in fact the numbers indicate that trans people are less likely to be murdered than other people!

HRC quoted numbers and made all kinds of emotive claims about them, claims that do not bear any scrutiny. They are vacuous appeals to emotion.

 

[ZiprHead]

You are correct that HRC and Quillette used the same numbers. Quillette provided context and showed that in no way could trans murders be described as an epidemic of any sort, and in fact the numbers indicate that trans people are less likely to be murdered than other people!

HRC quoted numbers and made all kinds of emotive claims about them, claims that do not bear any scrutiny. They are vacuous appeals to emotion.

Quillette is known for lying. HRC is known for being truthful.

 

[Metaphor]

You are correct that HRC and Quillette used the same numbers. Quillette provided context and showed that in no way could trans murders be described as an epidemic of any sort, and in fact the numbers indicate that trans people are less likely to be murdered than other people!

HRC quoted numbers and made all kinds of emotive claims about them, claims that do not bear any scrutiny. They are vacuous appeals to emotion.

Quillette is known for lying. HRC is known for being truthful.

Quillette is not 'known' for any such thing, except by the people who are already biased against it.

What lies were in Quillette's article?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Quillette is not 'known' for any such thing, except by the people who are already biased against it.

What lies were in Quillette's article?

He linked to an evaluation of the accuracy of Quillette's reporting.

 

[Metaphor]

Quillette is not 'known' for any such thing, except by the people who are already biased against it.

What lies were in Quillette's article?

He linked to an evaluation of the accuracy of Quillette's reporting.

ZiprHead dismissed a report without reading it, and he used fallacious reasoning to dismiss it. He didn't read the article to point out how it was wrong.

There is no epidemic of trans murders. ZiprHead knows it. Worse, he wants us to believe there is, without sproducing any evidence.

That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

 

[Metaphor]

Quillette is not 'known' for any such thing, except by the people who are already biased against it.

What lies were in Quillette's article?

He linked to an evaluation of the accuracy of Quillette's reporting.

Did your IQ drop sharply while I was away?

ZiprHead dismissed a report without reading it, and he used fallacious reasoning to dismiss it. He didn't read the article to point out how it was wrong.

There is no epidemic of trans murders. ZiprHead knows it. Worse, he wants us to believe there is, without sproducing any evidence.

That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

And: what lies were were in Quillette's article?

I'll wait.

 

[none]

What stratification of murders would satisfy you?

 

[ZiprHead]

Quillette is not 'known' for any such thing, except by the people who are already biased against it.

What lies were in Quillette's article?

He linked to an evaluation of the accuracy of Quillette's reporting.

ZiprHead dismissed a report without reading it, and he used fallacious reasoning to dismiss it. He didn't read the article to point out how it was wrong.

There is no epidemic of trans murders. ZiprHead knows it. Worse, he wants us to believe there is, without sproducing any evidence.

That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

I already told you I did read it.

I didn't say the article was wrong, I ponted out the source is untrustworthy.

I provided four other sources that confirm violence against trans people is on the rise. I never said there is an epidemic.

You play pretty fast and loose with facts.