University of Otago student association gives "sportswoman of the year" award to a man.

[Trausti]

If somebody wants to slip into female-only spaces for nefarious purposes wouldn't dressing up as a Muslim woman be a better approach? Someone who is open about the situation (female with a visible dick)

There are zero females with dicks, visible or otherwise.

Wrong.

Even if you are determining sex via chromosome pattern, there are female persons (XX) with penises, just as there are male persons (XY) with vaginas. Exposure to testosterone in utero changes the physical form of developing female fetuses, as does resistance to the effects of testosterone in males. And then there are the persons with rare chromosome patterns (XX/XY, XXXY, etc) who may be female but still have male attributes, including penises.

You keep dismissing gender as nothing more than the thoughts in a person's head and relying solely on physical attributes to enforce a strictly binary view of sex. Not only are you ignoring the existence of intersex persons, you're ignoring sexuality itself.

Human sex, sexuality, and gender, in both form and expression, are not binary.

Boobs are TERFs.

 

[Arctish]

Wrong.

Even if you are determining sex via chromosome pattern, there are female persons (XX) with penises, just as there are male persons (XY) with vaginas. Exposure to testosterone in utero changes the physical form of developing female fetuses, as does resistance to the effects of testosterone in males. And then there are the persons with rare chromosome patterns (XX/XY, XXXY, etc) who may be female but still have male attributes, including penises.

You keep dismissing gender as nothing more than the thoughts in a person's head and relying solely on physical attributes to enforce a strictly binary view of sex. Not only are you ignoring the existence of intersex persons, you're ignoring sexuality itself.

Human sex, sexuality, and gender, in both form and expression, are not binary.

Boobs are TERFs.

Some of the posters here are TEMS*.


*Trans- Exclusionary Masculinist Segregationists.

 

[Metaphor]

Even if you are determining sex via chromosome pattern,

I'm not. It's highly correlated, of course, with what sex you are.

You keep dismissing gender as nothing more than the thoughts in a person's head

That's what a gender identity is. Is gender identity something else? Have I mischaracterised it? I am very happy for people to explain what they mean when they use the word 'gender' and I encourage them to do so.

and relying solely on physical attributes to enforce a strictly binary view of sex.

No. I'm not trying to 'enforce' a binary view of sex, nature has done that. There are two sexes.

Not only are you ignoring the existence of intersex persons, you're ignoring sexuality itself.

People with differences of sexual development are still male or female. There are only two sexes in mammals and no amount of faith-based repetition to the contrary can make that reality go away.

Human sex, sexuality, and gender, in both form and expression, are not binary.

Sex in mammals is binary. Gender identity can be anything, because a gender identity is a thought in a person's head. Gender expression can also be "non-binary", because it is a behaviour arising from a thought in a person's head.

This, however, is a furphy. The trans ideology is not about people with disorders of sexual development. It is about people who believe that 'gender identity' is paramount over sex in nearly every conceivable situation (and erases homosexuality by claiming homosexuals are not attracted to a sex but a 'gender'). It is about taking sex-segregation and pretending instead that it should be 'gender segregation', which is impossible at a practical level because gender is not binary.

 

[Trausti]

Wrong.

Even if you are determining sex via chromosome pattern, there are female persons (XX) with penises, just as there are male persons (XY) with vaginas. Exposure to testosterone in utero changes the physical form of developing female fetuses, as does resistance to the effects of testosterone in males. And then there are the persons with rare chromosome patterns (XX/XY, XXXY, etc) who may be female but still have male attributes, including penises.

You keep dismissing gender as nothing more than the thoughts in a person's head and relying solely on physical attributes to enforce a strictly binary view of sex. Not only are you ignoring the existence of intersex persons, you're ignoring sexuality itself.

Human sex, sexuality, and gender, in both form and expression, are not binary.

Boobs are TERFs.

Some of the posters here are TEMS*.


*Trans- Exclusionary Masculinist Segregationists.

And some posters just deny that humans are a sexually dimorphic species.

Forensic Identification of Gender from Fingerprints

 

[Arctish]

Some of the posters here are TEMS*.


*Trans- Exclusionary Masculinist Segregationists.

And some posters just deny that humans are a sexually dimorphic species.

Forensic Identification of Gender from Fingerprints

You should tell Metaphor that gender can be identified via fingerprints. He thinks gender is just thoughts in people's heads. He might listen to you if you tell him it's more than that.

 

[Metaphor]

Some of the posters here are TEMS*.


*Trans- Exclusionary Masculinist Segregationists.

And some posters just deny that humans are a sexually dimorphic species.

Forensic Identification of Gender from Fingerprints

You should tell Metaphor that gender can be identified via fingerprints. He thinks gender is just thoughts in people's heads. He might listen to you if you tell him it's more than that.

The article uses the term 'gender' but means 'sex', as is clear from looking at the article text.

Also--the team developed a model that was able to correctly classify sex in 99% of cases, from fingerprint alone. Fascinating!

 

[none]

You should tell Metaphor that gender can be identified via fingerprints. He thinks gender is just thoughts in people's heads. He might listen to you if you tell him it's more than that.

The article uses the term 'gender' but means 'sex', as is clear from looking at the article text.

Also--the team developed a model that was able to correctly classify sex in 99% of cases, from fingerprint alone. Fascinating!

Hmm what about the 1%.?

 

[Metaphor]

Hmm what about the 1%.?

What about them?

 

[none]

What about them?

Come on dude.
What was their identity politics?

 

[Emily Lake]

So, discriminate against everyone with a dick.

Gladly! That's what I'm trying to do!

 

[Emily Lake]

Wrong.

Even if you are determining sex via chromosome pattern, there are female persons (XX) with penises

Red herring. DSDs are completely different from self-declared gender identity.

You keep dismissing gender as nothing more than the thoughts in a person's head and relying solely on physical attributes to enforce a strictly binary view of sex. Not only are you ignoring the existence of intersex persons, you're ignoring sexuality itself.

I would have thought that as a gay man who experiences female-type sexual desires for persons with male attributes while having a male body yourself, you would understand the problem with that.

That's just silly. I would guess that Metaphor has MALE-TYPE sexual desires for persons with male attributes while having a male body himself.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

If somebody wants to slip into female-only spaces for nefarious purposes wouldn't dressing up as a Muslim woman be a better approach? Someone who is open about the situation (female with a visible dick)

There are zero females with dicks, visible or otherwise.

Wrong.

Even if you are determining sex via chromosome pattern, there are female persons (XX) with penises, just as there are male persons (XY) with vaginas. Exposure to testosterone in utero changes the physical form of developing female fetuses, as does resistance to the effects of testosterone in males. And then there are the persons with rare chromosome patterns (XX/XY, XXXY, etc) who may be female but still have male attributes, including penises.

You keep dismissing gender as nothing more than the thoughts in a person's head and relying solely on physical attributes to enforce a strictly binary view of sex. Not only are you ignoring the existence of intersex persons, you're ignoring sexuality itself.

Human sex, sexuality, and gender, in both form and expression, are not binary.

Boobs are TERFs.

Image, not a link.

And what about twins? How do you match it??

If there is any difference I strongly suspect it's simply a matter of testosterone crossing the placental barrier. It has been documented to be detectable in the mother's heartbeat, for there to be some effect on breast milk wouldn't be astonishing but doesn't prove intent. There are a lot of biological processes that simply are--they are side effects of something else and confer neither enough advantage nor enough disadvantage to influence evolution. There also are those that a distinct disadvantage but pose such a high hurdle to cross that they persist anyway. There are some substantial anatomical issues of this sort.

 

[Trausti]

If somebody wants to slip into female-only spaces for nefarious purposes wouldn't dressing up as a Muslim woman be a better approach? Someone who is open about the situation (female with a visible dick)

There are zero females with dicks, visible or otherwise.

Wrong.

Even if you are determining sex via chromosome pattern, there are female persons (XX) with penises, just as there are male persons (XY) with vaginas. Exposure to testosterone in utero changes the physical form of developing female fetuses, as does resistance to the effects of testosterone in males. And then there are the persons with rare chromosome patterns (XX/XY, XXXY, etc) who may be female but still have male attributes, including penises.

You keep dismissing gender as nothing more than the thoughts in a person's head and relying solely on physical attributes to enforce a strictly binary view of sex. Not only are you ignoring the existence of intersex persons, you're ignoring sexuality itself.

Human sex, sexuality, and gender, in both form and expression, are not binary.

Boobs are TERFs.

Image, not a link.

And what about twins? How do you match it??

If there is any difference I strongly suspect it's simply a matter of testosterone crossing the placental barrier. It has been documented to be detectable in the mother's heartbeat, for there to be some effect on breast milk wouldn't be astonishing but doesn't prove intent. There are a lot of biological processes that simply are--they are side effects of something else and confer neither enough advantage nor enough disadvantage to influence evolution. There also are those that a distinct disadvantage but pose such a high hurdle to cross that they persist anyway. There are some substantial anatomical issues of this sort.

No sure what you mean by "intent." Here's a link describing the study: Baby boys and girls receive different nutrients in breast milk

Baby formula should be tailored for boys and girls to reflect the differences in milk that mothers produce depending on their baby's sex, researchers say.
Tests on mothers' milk in both monkeys and humans have showed that levels of fat, protein, vitamins, sugars, minerals and hormones vary enormously, but there is evidence that milk made for female and male babies is consistently different.

The make-up of the milk has a direct impact on the child's growth, but also on his or her behaviour and temperament, which may last for the rest of their life. Scientists suspect that breast milk may be tailored by nature to meet the different growth needs of the sexes.

The findings have led some researchers to suggest that baby formula should come in boy and girl formulations to match the differences seen in breast milk.

'course, this is from 2014, a couple years or so before denying reality became all the fashion.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

And some posters just deny that humans are a sexually dimorphic species.

Forensic Identification of Gender from Fingerprints

Actually, no. That paper is not about identifying gender from fingerprints. It's about identifying gender from the skin secretions that make up fingerprints.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

And what about twins? How do you match it??

If there is any difference I strongly suspect it's simply a matter of testosterone crossing the placental barrier. It has been documented to be detectable in the mother's heartbeat, for there to be some effect on breast milk wouldn't be astonishing but doesn't prove intent. There are a lot of biological processes that simply are--they are side effects of something else and confer neither enough advantage nor enough disadvantage to influence evolution. There also are those that a distinct disadvantage but pose such a high hurdle to cross that they persist anyway. There are some substantial anatomical issues of this sort.

No sure what you mean by "intent." Here's a link describing the study: Baby boys and girls receive different nutrients in breast milk

Baby formula should be tailored for boys and girls to reflect the differences in milk that mothers produce depending on their baby's sex, researchers say.
Tests on mothers' milk in both monkeys and humans have showed that levels of fat, protein, vitamins, sugars, minerals and hormones vary enormously, but there is evidence that milk made for female and male babies is consistently different.

The make-up of the milk has a direct impact on the child's growth, but also on his or her behaviour and temperament, which may last for the rest of their life. Scientists suspect that breast milk may be tailored by nature to meet the different growth needs of the sexes.

The findings have led some researchers to suggest that baby formula should come in boy and girl formulations to match the differences seen in breast milk.

'course, this is from 2014, a couple years or so before denying reality became all the fashion.

You are establishing that there is a difference. You are not establishing that there is an actual benefit to the baby from the difference, or if it is a side effect.

 

[Trausti]

And some posters just deny that humans are a sexually dimorphic species.

Forensic Identification of Gender from Fingerprints

Actually, no. That paper is not about identifying gender from fingerprints. It's about identifying gender from the skin secretions that make up fingerprints.

There is some difference in physical fingerprints; but showing difference in gender based on skin secretions is still demonstrating difference in gender. You are who you are.

 

[Emily Lake]

SEX. It's demonstrating a difference in SEX based on fingerprints. SEX not Gender.

I guarantee, regardless of the article using the "old fashioned" term, that they are 100% NOT identifying anybody's internal sense of whether they identify as a man, a woman, or a wizard from their fingertips.

 

[Jarhyn]

And what about twins? How do you match it??

If there is any difference I strongly suspect it's simply a matter of testosterone crossing the placental barrier. It has been documented to be detectable in the mother's heartbeat, for there to be some effect on breast milk wouldn't be astonishing but doesn't prove intent. There are a lot of biological processes that simply are--they are side effects of something else and confer neither enough advantage nor enough disadvantage to influence evolution. There also are those that a distinct disadvantage but pose such a high hurdle to cross that they persist anyway. There are some substantial anatomical issues of this sort.

No sure what you mean by "intent." Here's a link describing the study: Baby boys and girls receive different nutrients in breast milk

Baby formula should be tailored for boys and girls to reflect the differences in milk that mothers produce depending on their baby's sex, researchers say.
Tests on mothers' milk in both monkeys and humans have showed that levels of fat, protein, vitamins, sugars, minerals and hormones vary enormously, but there is evidence that milk made for female and male babies is consistently different.

The make-up of the milk has a direct impact on the child's growth, but also on his or her behaviour and temperament, which may last for the rest of their life. Scientists suspect that breast milk may be tailored by nature to meet the different growth needs of the sexes.

The findings have led some researchers to suggest that baby formula should come in boy and girl formulations to match the differences seen in breast milk.

'course, this is from 2014, a couple years or so before denying reality became all the fashion.

You are establishing that there is a difference. You are not establishing that there is an actual benefit to the baby from the difference, or if it is a side effect.

She establishes that there is a difference when she engages in selection bias or group bias.

She does not establish the reality of a material difference between any two given.

I find it hilarious though that the person who moans most loudly that we should not discriminate against 'white people' and that we shouldn't be teaching CRT concepts because that teaches "white guilt" even though it does not has come in here and... Started preaching PENIS guilt.