Why YEC can seem plausible

[Lion IRC]

I've always wondered how the Chinese survived the flood? It's hard to understand how they didn't even notice despite the fact that they existed a group far earlier than flood. Dang they are clever!

The Chinese are descendants of Ham...Canaan/Heth...Sin
Sin/Sinites = Sinim = China
Heth/Hittites = Khittae = Cathay

Ham's descendants truly have served humankind well in many ways. They led the way in agriculture, farming, cultivation, technology, printing, building, textiles, primitive medicine, astronomy...

 

[Lion IRC]

The largest Tsunami recorded was about 30m high...

Erm...the bible records mountain tops being swamped.

And how was that measured? Who was present to make the readings? Per the story, every human being was drowned or had more important things to do than race up to the top of Everest with a measuring tape. Noah and his family were buttoned up inside a hollow block of wood, which somehow survived these eight-kilometer-high waves.

You mean who told Moses what Noah saw when he opened the window he had made in the ark?

 

[Harry Bosch]

I've always wondered how the Chinese survived the flood? It's hard to understand how they didn't even notice despite the fact that they existed a group far earlier than flood. Dang they are clever!

The Chinese are descendants of Ham...Canaan/Heth...Sin
Sin/Sinites = Sinim = China
Heth/Hittites = Khittae = Cathay

Ham's descendants truly have served humankind well in many ways. They led the way in agriculture, farming, cultivation, technology, printing, building, textiles, primitive medicine, astronomy...

And you know this how? What evidence do you have?

 

[bilby]

I see words are difficult for you.
Here. Lemme draw you a picture.

Water defying bilby's mathematics.

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Sure, I disregarded tidal effects. Which add (or subtract) about 0.3m to sea level.

Coastal effects can lead to tidal ranges as huge as 16m - that's a maximum increase above mean sea level of 8m.

I am beginning to think that you are deliberately attempting to undermine your stated position through satire. It's hard to believe that anyone would seriously post an exaggerated graphic of how tides work as though it were helpful in explaining how sea levels might increase by more than five kilometres. Unless you actually want people to find your claims ludicrous.

 

[Lion IRC]

You claimed extra water was needed...water always flows downhill...etc etc. You 'discounted' the very effect which allows for water volume to temporarily shift from one place to another - swamping mountain tops.

That could be tectonic/tsunami. That could be tidal/gravitational. That could be fountains of the great deep.

 

[bilby]

And how was that measured? Who was present to make the readings? Per the story, every human being was drowned or had more important things to do than race up to the top of Everest with a measuring tape. Noah and his family were buttoned up inside a hollow block of wood, which somehow survived these eight-kilometer-high waves.

You mean who told Moses what Noah saw when he opened the window he had made in the ark?

More satire. Of course you don't seriously think that looking out of a window and seeing nothing but water is proof that there's no dry land anywhere in the world. You can get that exact 'proof' today by heading a few miles out into the ocean. Should I be holding my breath?

I guess it was quite funny while it lasted, but you're overdoing it now. If you want people to think that you really are convinced of something nonsensical, your arguments need to be rather less ridiculous.

 

[Lion IRC]

I've always wondered how the Chinese survived the flood? It's hard to understand how they didn't even notice despite the fact that they existed a group far earlier than flood. Dang they are clever!

The Chinese are descendants of Ham...Canaan/Heth...Sin

Sin/Sinites = Sinim = China
Heth/Hittites = Khittae = Cathay

Ham's descendants truly have served humankind well in many ways. They led the way in agriculture, farming, cultivation, technology, printing, building, textiles, primitive medicine, astronomy...

And you know this how? What evidence do you have?

Evidence for the existence of Chinese people?
Evidence that they descended from the same MRCA as everybody else on Earth?
Evidence that agriculture, farming, cultivation, technology, printing, building, textiles, primitive medicine, astronomy...are useful to humankind???

 

[Harry Bosch]

And you know this how? What evidence do you have?

Evidence for the existence of Chinese people?
Evidence that they descended from the same MRCA as everybody else on Earth?
Evidence that agriculture, farming, cultivation, technology, printing, building, textiles, primitive medicine, astronomy...are useful to humankind???

What is the evidence that Chinese descended from Ham? What makes you think this?

 

[funinspace]

And how was that measured? Who was present to make the readings? Per the story, every human being was drowned or had more important things to do than race up to the top of Everest with a measuring tape. Noah and his family were buttoned up inside a hollow block of wood, which somehow survived these eight-kilometer-high waves.

You mean who told Moses what Noah saw when he opened the window he had made in the ark?

More satire. Of course you don't seriously think that looking out of a window and seeing nothing but water is proof that there's no dry land anywhere in the world. You can get that exact 'proof' today by heading a few miles out into the ocean. Should I be holding my breath?

I guess it was quite funny while it lasted, but you're overdoing it now. If you want people to think that you really are convinced of something nonsensical, your arguments need to be rather less ridiculous.

Evasive, snarky...along with the below...explains the situation...So good luck getting a rational discussion...

I'm not polite.
My user profile doesn't say "Christian".

 

[funinspace]

I see what you mean 'settled', as the only other alternatives to consider is that aliens made it, or the oceans naturally shaped those rocks into block-shapes "imitating" human design



Funny enough,(just a mention without going off topic), speaking of aliens, there are more Ufo stories seeping into some of the regular daily news channels. Whats happening?

LOL...speaking of aliens, you might find reading 'The 12th Planet' by Zecharia Sitchin fun, when you aren't soo distracted... The dude really seemed to believe his alien-Sumerian tales. I picked up the book by accident, in a quick buy of a few SciFi books for work travel many years ago.

Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zecharia_Sitchin

 

[bilby]

You claimed extra water was needed...water always flows downhill...etc etc. You 'discounted' the very effect which allows for water volume to temporarily shift from one place to another - swamping mountain tops.

That could be tectonic/tsunami.

As we have already discussed, no, it couldn't. Unless there was a catastrophic meteor impact, which there wasn't.

That could be tidal/gravitational.

As I pointed out above, no, it couldn't. Tidal effects are less than one ten thousandth of the required size.

That could be fountains of the great deep.

No, it couldn't. Because that's made up shit from a five hundred year old edition of a several thousand year old story originated by people who didn't have much understanding of anything.

 

[Lion IRC]

And you know this how? What evidence do you have?

Evidence for the existence of Chinese people?
Evidence that they descended from the same MRCA as everybody else on Earth?
Evidence that agriculture, farming, cultivation, technology, printing, building, textiles, primitive medicine, astronomy...are useful to humankind???

What is the evidence that Chinese descended from Ham? What makes you think this?

The historical record as presented in the bible.

 

[Lion IRC]

As we have already discussed...

We haven't really 'discussed' it.
Your input has been;

"More satire."
"you don't seriously think that..."
"something nonsensical"
"ROFL"
"your arguments need to be rather less ridiculous."
"It's hard to believe..."
"it was quite funny while it lasted, but you're overdoing it now"
"I disregarded [what you said about] tidal effects..."
"...you actually want people to find your claims ludicrous"
"you just make shit up."

 

[Lion IRC]

The largest Tsunami recorded was about 30m high.

Nope.
Lituya Bay was 524 meters.

 

[bilby]

As we have already discussed...

We haven't really 'discussed' it.
Your input has been;

"More satire."
"you don't seriously think that..."
"something nonsensical"
"ROFL"
"your arguments need to be rather less ridiculous."
"It's hard to believe..."
"it was quite funny while it lasted, but you're overdoing it now"
"I disregarded [what you said about] tidal effects..."
"...you actually want people to find your claims ludicrous"
"you just make shit up."

OK, so were moving on from the "let's ignore what has already been said" to "let's pretend nothing has been said at all, other than a handful of phrases stripped of their context".

That's lovely, but it's surely not even fooling you, and certainly not anyone else.

ETA - oh, look, you even added some context that didn't actually exist. In a grey tone that disappears inless part of a quote, when using the 'After Dark' theme.

I disregarded tidal effects (not just what you said about them, but tidal effects in their entirety), because they are one ten thousandth of the size they would need to be to be relevant in any way.

 

[bilby]

The largest Tsunami recorded was about 30m high.

Nope.
Lituya Bay was 524 meters.

That's runup, not wave height. As I pointed out in the very post you disingenuously snipped:

...The largest Tsunami recorded was about 30m high; It reached roughly ten times that height when running ashore, so around one two hundredth of the height needed to inundate a 5km peak (and of course it was only that high in a very small area close to its origin). ...

It's also very localised, and FAR less than the height of water that would be required worldwide to achieve the flood described in the bible.

 

[Lion IRC]

The bible describes a flood that;

a) Is worldwide. (No biggie. Two thirds of the world is already covered in water.)

b) Covers mountains. (No biggie. That coverage could have been temporary given the bible doesn't state that all mountains were all simultaneously covered continuously for the entire duration of the flood.)

 

[bilby]

The bible describes a flood that;

a) Is worldwide. (No biggie. Two thirds of the world is already covered in water.)

Yeah, biggie. covering the other third requires a LOT of water that simply doesn't exist anywhere on the planet.

If you needed a million bucks to save your life, it wouldn't be 'no biggie' because you had $700,000 available.

b) Covers mountains. (No biggie. That coverage could have been temporary given the bible doesn't state that all mountains were all simultaneously covered continuously for the entire duration of the flood.)

Yeah, biggie. As we have already discussed. Ignoring facts doesn't make them go away. You proposed two mechanisms so far - tsunamis and tides - and when shown that neither was anywhere close to being a possibility, you just carried on as though your proposals remained plausible.

Anything is possible if you just make shit up.

 

[Lion IRC]

Average depth of ocean minus average elevation of land above sea level = more than enough water.

Total cubic volume of all oceans minus total cubic volume of dirt above sea level = even more than enough.

I'm not making this up pal. Do you struggle with spacial reasoning?

 

[Rhea]

Even if you didn't think all humans came from such a single maternal DNA bottleneck, (as per the bible,) the same bottleneck is presented by a global flood event (Noah).

Lion would like us to believe that it is possible that the bible story of the Flood of Noah is supported by the existence of a mitochondrial DNA bottleneck.

He’d like us to believe that all women got their mtDNA from the single source of…


Um…


The three unrelated women on the boat.
Which somehow equals one woman to him, and somehow has something to do with Noah.
The matrilineal DNA.
From Noah.



Can we just admit at some point that they’re just making shit up?
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