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Putin really doesn't look well.
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How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?
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Putin really doesn't look well.
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My earlier post:
Sweden is a bit behind Finland, but seems to be on board to apply at the same time. Only thing that could stop it is if e.g. Hungary uses a veto to block new members, or Russia actually invades either Finland or Sweden (which I don't think is likely).
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The stress Putin feels is probably unimaginable. He has gotten the mother of all reality checks. All his self image of power and glory ended in a few short weeks. Like driving a car into a concrete wall.
When he speaks publicly he appears to be using extreme self control. At this point for all we know he may be babbling and drooling. I woud be surprised if he is not taking meds. Severe depression.
In oter news, two Russian oligarchs and families were killed within 24 hours. One in Moscow and one in Spain I think.
When he speaks publicly he appears to be using extreme self control. At this point for all we know he may be babbling and drooling. I woud be surprised if he is not taking meds. Severe depression.
In oter news, two Russian oligarchs and families were killed within 24 hours. One in Moscow and one in Spain I think.
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steve_bank
Diabetic retinopathy and poor eyesight. Typos ...
We need a priest to cast out the demon spirit of Stalln from Putin.
I woud be a little skeptical of conspricay claims even with Putin's murderous history.
I woud be a little skeptical of conspricay claims even with Putin's murderous history.
T.G.G. Moogly
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That's how mob rule works. No surprises. Someone is getting lots of money from Putin to make those hits.
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Yup. No surprises. Not even any secrets.
steve_bank
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Just wen I ought it could not get uglier.
Religion is part of it. When Ukraine split so did the Russian orthodox. The Russian church leader is pro Putin and has declared it a holy war against the homosexuality of the west among other things. There is also money at stake. The Russian orthodox church lost Ukrainian contributions after the split.
play the video.
www.cnn.com
Religion is part of it. When Ukraine split so did the Russian orthodox. The Russian church leader is pro Putin and has declared it a holy war against the homosexuality of the west among other things. There is also money at stake. The Russian orthodox church lost Ukrainian contributions after the split.
play the video.
It's just after 1 p.m. in Kyiv. Here's what you need to know
As many Ukrainians observe Easter Sunday, Russian forces are targeting cities in the south and east of the country.
barbos
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That's ironic considering that US admitted that they want to prolong it as much as possible.
long discussion about ukrainian nazi.
Karas talking is especially revealing. The guy even looks like Bandera.
Interesting that US millitary were training nazis while it was explicitly forbidden by US Congress.
Historical analogies are also very interesting.
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barbos
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Complete and utter propaganda garbage.Well, technically it's a police operation, not a war.
What do you suggest? and no, "Leaving Ukraine" is not an option
You know, Barbos, I don’t expect you to suddenly admit that you’re full of shit, and I doubt anyone else will change their mind either. So who gives a damn? But here’s some things you cannot deny:
- You’re getting your butts kicked by Ukraine. You’ve lost upwards of 450 tanks and 2,000 other armored vehicles. It will take years to replace those.
- You’ve lost approximately 30,000 to 40,000 personnel, either killed, wounded or missing. You will never replace those.
- You got your asses handed you around Kiev, and we’re forced into a humiliating retreat.
- You’ve yet to take a single major city, even Mariupol has continued to hold out despite being surrounded for over a month.
- You have failed to achieve air superiority, and have lost around 80 aircraft, along with numerous well trained crewmen.
- You just lost the flag ship of your Black Sea fleet, including its commanding officer.
- Your military failures have made your nation appear to be nothing but a paper bear. The incompetence displayed, including tanks being towed away by tractors, open communication on cell phones, instances of fragging senior officers, and even leaving troops without food or supplies has all exposed your nation as utterly weak.
- Your forces are simply bogged down everywhere they go. This war is now a quagmire from which it’s unlikely to end until you’re forces are bled dry. It’s ten times worse than your invasion of Afghanistan. You cannot conquer Ukraine. They will not be surrendering. There will be no peace talks.
- Your economy is in the toilet. Inflation is close to 20%, and you can trade little more than oil on international markets. Your stock market is about half of what it was in November. You’ve defaulted on your debt for the first time since 1918. You might continue to make some money on oil and gas, but even a lot of those shipments are now in jeopardy, as Germany says it will wean itself from Russian oil by the end of the year. It’s quite possible that in a few months time you will not be selling oil at all. That may never recover as they will no longer trust you.
- Finland will likely join NATO, soon too. Sweden might also. This will deliver a serious blow to your overall security situation.
- You’ve united NATO as never before, and even Germany is seriously increasing its military budget.
- The rest of the world is utterly shocked and outraged over your actions. Your military’s actions against innocent civilians has brought shame on your nation as Germany’s did 80 years ago. You will not be repairing your reputation abroad anytime soon.
- You’re two supposed allies are abandoning you too. Lukashenko no longer supports this war, and you can’t rely on Belorussians who are as likely to revolt against your incursion, and the Chinese aren’t stupid enough to go against the sanctions and hurt their own economy.
So tell me what the fuck good this war has done for Russia? How is Russia’s security situation improved by this stupid war? How has it benefited the ordinary Russian?
Mighty US/NATO is currently losing their proxy war with Russia they started.
I see no rebuttal of any of his points.Complete and utter propaganda garbage.Well, technically it's a police operation, not a war.
What do you suggest? and no, "Leaving Ukraine" is not an option
You know, Barbos, I don’t expect you to suddenly admit that you’re full of shit, and I doubt anyone else will change their mind either. So who gives a damn? But here’s some things you cannot deny:
- You’re getting your butts kicked by Ukraine. You’ve lost upwards of 450 tanks and 2,000 other armored vehicles. It will take years to replace those.
- You’ve lost approximately 30,000 to 40,000 personnel, either killed, wounded or missing. You will never replace those.
- You got your asses handed you around Kiev, and we’re forced into a humiliating retreat.
- You’ve yet to take a single major city, even Mariupol has continued to hold out despite being surrounded for over a month.
- You have failed to achieve air superiority, and have lost around 80 aircraft, along with numerous well trained crewmen.
- You just lost the flag ship of your Black Sea fleet, including its commanding officer.
- Your military failures have made your nation appear to be nothing but a paper bear. The incompetence displayed, including tanks being towed away by tractors, open communication on cell phones, instances of fragging senior officers, and even leaving troops without food or supplies has all exposed your nation as utterly weak.
- Your forces are simply bogged down everywhere they go. This war is now a quagmire from which it’s unlikely to end until you’re forces are bled dry. It’s ten times worse than your invasion of Afghanistan. You cannot conquer Ukraine. They will not be surrendering. There will be no peace talks.
- Your economy is in the toilet. Inflation is close to 20%, and you can trade little more than oil on international markets. Your stock market is about half of what it was in November. You’ve defaulted on your debt for the first time since 1918. You might continue to make some money on oil and gas, but even a lot of those shipments are now in jeopardy, as Germany says it will wean itself from Russian oil by the end of the year. It’s quite possible that in a few months time you will not be selling oil at all. That may never recover as they will no longer trust you.
- Finland will likely join NATO, soon too. Sweden might also. This will deliver a serious blow to your overall security situation.
- You’ve united NATO as never before, and even Germany is seriously increasing its military budget.
- The rest of the world is utterly shocked and outraged over your actions. Your military’s actions against innocent civilians has brought shame on your nation as Germany’s did 80 years ago. You will not be repairing your reputation abroad anytime soon.
- You’re two supposed allies are abandoning you too. Lukashenko no longer supports this war, and you can’t rely on Belorussians who are as likely to revolt against your incursion, and the Chinese aren’t stupid enough to go against the sanctions and hurt their own economy.
So tell me what the fuck good this war has done for Russia? How is Russia’s security situation improved by this stupid war? How has it benefited the ordinary Russian?
Mighty US/NATO is currently losing their proxy war with Russia they started.
barbos
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MSM lies don't deserve point by point rebuttals.
And even if I did, what it would change?
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Not a thing.
No matter what anyone says, it remains an unavoidable fact that the mighty and terrifying Russian army have been utterly embarrassed by the tenacity of the Ukrainians defending their country against a completely unjustified and unprovoked act of war by Putin.
Nobody's buying your nonsensical attempts to suggest that Russia is not in the wrong, or that Putin isn't the bad guy in all of this.
It's as obvious as the fact that the American invasion of Iraq, chasing nonexistent weapons of mass destruction, made America the bad guys in that conflict.
Invading other countries on the basis of outright lies makes you the bad guys. It's not difficult to comprehend.
barbos
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I know that you think that, but only because MSM is lying to you.
You are losing this war, YOU started.
MSM propaganda is 100% lies.
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I am not fighting in this war, and I can assure you that I didn't start it.
barbos
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Well, US started it and all western regimes are in the same boat US is driving.
Last time I checked Australia was trying to kill more ukrainians.
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You obviously didn't check very carefully.
barbos
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No, I checked carefully, Australia did send some weapons to ukrainian nazis.
Everybody is helping nazis.
The whole fucking world is propping up Nazis are they? Yep, totally checks out.
I'm not proud to admit, but this sort of delusion is making me less sympathetic to Russia's hardships due to Putin being a fascist cunt.