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Texas government now actively terrorizing families of trans kids

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Texas Supreme Court OKs state child abuse inquiries into the families of trans kids

The ruling overturns an injunction barring state officials from following Abbott's directive to view treatments such as hormones and puberty-blocking drugs as incidents of child abuse.
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Do I sometimes seem to be a little bit paranoid, when it comes to LGBTQ issues? There is a saying by Joseph Heller that goes, "just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you." Shit is currently in the process of going utterly sideways for many American LGBTQ, especially transgender Americans. In this case, an authoritarian government is now actively terrorizing and intimidating the families of transgender youth.

This is getting serious, and we need to act.
 
con·cern trol·ling
noun
DEROGATORY•INFORMAL
the action or practice of disingenuously expressing concern about an issue in order to undermine or derail genuine discussion.

The concern expressed (preventing young people from making hasty surgical interventions) does not align with the effect of the law (forcing more, and more impactful surgical interventions upon people because their bodies pass a point of no return that the law forces them to cross, by prohibiting blockers).
 
Jarhyn said:
con·cern trol·ling
noun
DEROGATORY•INFORMAL
the action or practice of disingenuously expressing concern about an issue in order to undermine or derail genuine discussion.

The concern expressed (preventing young people from making hasty surgical interventions) does not align with the effect of the law (forcing more, and more impactful surgical interventions upon people because their bodies pass a point of no return that the law forces them to cross, by prohibiting blockers).
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I don't think that the OP intended that, but yeah that's what it looks like to me as well.
Tom
 
Metaphor said:
SigmatheZeta said:
What is happening in Alabama is even worse. Holy shit.

www.nbcnews.com

Alabama ban on gender-affirming care for transgender youth takes effect

The legislation makes it a crime punishable by up to 10 years in prison to provide puberty blockers, hormones and medical procedures to trans youth under 19.
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Would be great if we’d quit telling young people that there is something wrong with them that needs to be fixed.
 
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Trausti said:
Metaphor said:
SigmatheZeta said:
What is happening in Alabama is even worse. Holy shit.

www.nbcnews.com

Alabama ban on gender-affirming care for transgender youth takes effect

The legislation makes it a crime punishable by up to 10 years in prison to provide puberty blockers, hormones and medical procedures to trans youth under 19.
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Would be great if we’d quit telling young people that there is something wrong with them that needs to be fixed.
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Yeah, that's the problem. :picardfacepalm:
 
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Trausti said:
Would be great if we’d quit telling young people that there is something wrong with them that needs to be fixed.
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That's not what I see going on here.

Young people deciding for themselves that there's something wrong with them is quite different. That happens all too often.

The problem I have with this is the premise that the young people are competent to decide what to do. I don't think that they are, as a group. That's why we have concepts like "age of consent" and such. To protect young people from themselves, very largely, and also from people who would influence them to their own ends as well.
Tom
 
ZiprHead said:
Trausti said:
Metaphor said:
SigmatheZeta said:
What is happening in Alabama is even worse. Holy shit.

www.nbcnews.com

Alabama ban on gender-affirming care for transgender youth takes effect

The legislation makes it a crime punishable by up to 10 years in prison to provide puberty blockers, hormones and medical procedures to trans youth under 19.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com
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Would be great if we’d quit telling young people that there is something wrong with them that needs to be fixed.
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Yeah, that's the problem. :picardfacepalm:
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What most people don't realize is that transgender youth often are fighting to try to get gender-affirming care in spite of opposition from their relatives, and they often have to resort to questionable and dangerous gray market sources in order to obtain stuff like puberty-blocker medications. Those parents that eventually support their kids often don't come around until after their kids have already made at least one attempt at suicide.

Like I said, shit is currently going sideways for the LGBTQ community, particularly for transgender people. This is getting serious.
 
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Trausti said:
TomC said:
Trausti said:
Would be great if we’d quit telling young people that there is something wrong with them that needs to be fixed.
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That's not what I see going on here.

Young people deciding for themselves that there's something wrong with them is quite different. That happens all too often.

The problem I have with this is the premise that the young people are competent to decide what to do. I don't think that they are, as a group. That's why we have concepts like "age of consent" and such. To protect young people from themselves, very largely, and also from people who would influence them to their own ends as well.
Tom
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Yup. Nothing like outrageous accusations against people you don't know.
 
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TomC said:
Trausti said:
Would be great if we’d quit telling young people that there is something wrong with them that needs to be fixed.
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That's not what I see going on here.

Young people deciding for themselves that there's something wrong with them is quite different. That happens all too often.

The problem I have with this is the premise that the young people are competent to decide what to do. I don't think that they are, as a group. That's why we have concepts like "age of consent" and such. To protect young people from themselves, very largely, and also from people who would influence them to their own ends as well.
Tom
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Forcing a transgender boy to go through female puberty, when there are medical alternatives, is a lunatic way to treat a kid. Telling a boy that you won't allow him to do anything at all to reverse the effects of female puberty until he has completely transformed into an adult woman is just going to cause him to kill himself. This is just a scientific fact.

There is a reason why the American Academy of Pediatrics recommends gender-affirming care for youth: providing gender-affirming care and the support of their families reduces the likelihood of a transgender kid attempting suicide from 60% to only 4%. This is a large difference, and as a consequence, gender-affirming care is literally a life-saving intervention.

Ensuring Comprehensive Care and Support for Transgender and Gender-Diverse Children and Adolescents

As a traditionally underserved population that faces numerous health disparities, youth who identify as transgender and gender diverse (TGD) and their families are increasingly presenting to pediatric providers for education, care, and referrals. The need for more formal training, standardized...
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The evidence on this is well-documented.

It is an absolutely normal part of our culture for doctors to attempt to provide care that could save the lives of their patients. This idea has been a part of the culture of western society for about 2,400 years. From my point-of-view, it seems like a very good idea to just let doctors do their jobs.
 
Trausti said:
Would be great if we’d quit telling young people that there is something wrong with them that needs to be fixed.
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It’s outrageous that these ideologues think the de facto solution to adolescent angst is always, always “we will start the transition now, don’t tell your parents”.
 
The world is a very simple and straightforward place. Everything within it conforms to easy, well understood rules, and fits into clearly defined and well ordered categories, with one, two or at most three, basic types of literally anything.

In the event that something is encountered that doesn't fit into this framework, that thing is (simultaneously) an error of perception, that can be ignored; And an existential threat that must be destroyed. The first of these responses requires (of course) that the second be executed without thought, delay, or the slightest hint of mercy.

There are two genders, and nothing exists outside that framework. Anyone who dares suggest that something else exists is either joking or lying. And inconvenient evidence that something else exists, where we already know there is nothing, must be destroyed. In particular, anything that exists outside the framework of two genders must be destroyed immediately, because it doesn't exist.

It's right-wing authoritarianism 101. Deviation from a very limited set of very simplistic rules is an intolerable and existential threat to good order, justifice, and the stability of The Reich our nation.
 
Funny, I actually had the experience of my own father attempting to brainwash me into being cis-male, and all that really did was make me into a transgender girl that knew how to skin a deer, roll herself back upright after taking a tumble on a dirt-bike, aim down a rifle sight and pull the trigger on the exhale, cut a fishing hook out of a fish, and skin and fillet the fish after getting it home.

Hah, you want to know something crazy? I am a transgender woman that came from a profoundly unsupportive conservative evangelical household, and I grew up in a household full of guns, hunting knives, and one World War II military katana. Somehow, I made it to adulthood without attempting to kill myself even once.

I'm not sure what makes some of us resistant.

I have a guess. I think that recognizing that most people are full of shit helped.
 
Shot.

Angelina Jolie: Shiloh "Wants to Be a Boy" | Us Weekly

"We had to cut her hair," she tells Vanity Fair. "She thinks she's one of the brothers"
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The Salt star, 35, admits she dresses Shiloh, 4, "like a little dude. Shiloh, we feel, has Montenegro style. It's how people dress there. She likes tracksuits, she likes [regular] suits. She likes to dress like a boy. She wants to be a boy. So we had to cut her hair. She likes to wear boys' everything. She thinks she's one of the brothers."
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Chaser.

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She got lucky. If she had been born a few years later she'd have had mutilation surgery and been pumped with Mengele drugs.
 
Hate to say it but I would be extremely paranoid. The RWNJs & culture warriors believe you have a mental disorder, or don't exist. They will be recommending "rehabilitation" in 5, 4, 3...
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
Trausti said:
TomC said:
Trausti said:
Would be great if we’d quit telling young people that there is something wrong with them that needs to be fixed.
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That's not what I see going on here.

Young people deciding for themselves that there's something wrong with them is quite different. That happens all too often.

The problem I have with this is the premise that the young people are competent to decide what to do. I don't think that they are, as a group. That's why we have concepts like "age of consent" and such. To protect young people from themselves, very largely, and also from people who would influence them to their own ends as well.
Tom
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Yup. Nothing like outrageous accusations against people you don't know. You do it all the time.
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Mothers of boys with gender identity disorder: a comparison of matched controls - PubMed

This pilot study compared mothers of boys with gender identity disorder (GID) with mothers of normal boys to determine whether differences in psychopathology and child-rearing attitudes and practices could be identified. Results of the Diagnostic Interview for Borderlines and the Beck Depression...
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This pilot study compared mothers of boys with gender identity disorder (GID) with mothers of normal boys to determine whether differences in psychopathology and child-rearing attitudes and practices could be identified. Results of the Diagnostic Interview for Borderlines and the Beck Depression Inventory revealed that mothers of boys with GID had more symptoms of depression and more often met the criteria for Borderline Personality Disorder than the controls. Fifty-three percent of the mothers of boys with GID compared with only 6% of controls met the diagnosis for Borderline Personality Disorder on the Diagnostic Interview for Borderlines or had symptoms of depression on the Beck Depression Inventory.
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SigmatheZeta said:
Funny, I actually had the experience of my own father attempting to brainwash me into being cis-male, and all that really did was make me into a transgender girl that knew how to skin a deer, roll herself back upright after taking a tumble on a dirt-bike, aim down a rifle sight and pull the trigger on the exhale, cut a fishing hook out of a fish, and skin and fillet the fish after getting it home.

Hah, you want to know something crazy? I am a transgender woman that came from a profoundly unsupportive conservative evangelical household, and I grew up in a household full of guns, hunting knives, and one World War II military katana. Somehow, I made it to adulthood without attempting to kill myself even once.

I'm not sure what makes some of us resistant.

I have a guess. I think that recognizing that most people are full of shit helped.
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The issue is about family or social pressure on children to make irreversible life decisions before maturity. Just because a girl plays with trucks doesn't mean she's was born in the wrong body. It's just so curious that there's this rush to get kids cut up and on hormones before age 18.
 
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