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Some gun crimes are no longer crimes of violence

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Artemus

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At least according to the SCOTUS. It's a preliminary news story right now so few details. But it appears to remove the republican talking point of "Make it a longer sentence when a gun is used in a crime and gun crime will go away."
 
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I should have been clearer in my title/OP. Some crimes committed with guns are no longer considered crimes of violence. I have to say that I disagree strongly. If someone says they are going to shoot me (or beat the shit out of me) if I don't give them my property, then it is a crime of violence.
Politesse said:
Party of death.
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Well, it was a 7-2 decision with two conservatives Alito and Thomas) in dissent so I'm not sure what party you are referring to.
 
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I think there is nuance to the case. I think it is about a gun being present, not its actually use. Granted, the presence of a gun during a crime can be viewed as a threat.
Politesse said:
Party of death.
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It was a 7-2 decisions, with Alito and Thomas dissenting.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
I think there is nuance to the case. I think it is about a gun being present, not its actually use. Granted, the presence of a gun during a crime can be viewed as a threat.
Politesse said:
Party of death.
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It was a 7-2 decisions, with Alito and Thomas dissenting.
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This one has me confused--the only thing that makes sense is that they're saying the state can't use the gun modifier because he didn't have a gun. This certainly looks like felony murder to me, though.

(There are cases where I disagree with the gun modifier but those are cases where the gun has no bearing on the crime--someone who is armed but the gun plays no role in the crime. The drug dealer who goes armed against the possibility of being robbed isn't committing a gun crime in my book, although he very well might be guilty of a felon in possession.)
 
I'll go ahead and add it here:

Per CNN, the SCOTUS just struck down a New York law requiring a license for concealed carry.

You need a license to lock a bicycle on my campus but not to carry a gun onto a playground. Makes a whole lot of sense, doesn't it?
 
Justice Fucking Alito said:
And how does the dissent account for the fact that one of the mass shootings near the top of its list took place in Buffalo? The New York law at issue in this case obviously did not stop that perpetrator.
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This was in a SCOTUS ruling. No, seriously.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
Justice Fucking Alito said:
And how does the dissent account for the fact that one of the mass shootings near the top of its list took place in Buffalo? The New York law at issue in this case obviously did not stop that perpetrator.
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This was in a SCOTUS ruling. No, seriously.
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And how does the majority account for "a well regulated militia" in their opinion?
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
Justice Fucking Alito said:
And how does the dissent account for the fact that one of the mass shootings near the top of its list took place in Buffalo? The New York law at issue in this case obviously did not stop that perpetrator.
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This was in a SCOTUS ruling. No, seriously.
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Alito is an ideological hack with little to no intellectual integrity. That is but one of many examples of his moronic reasoning.
 
Artemus said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
Justice Fucking Alito said:
And how does the dissent account for the fact that one of the mass shootings near the top of its list took place in Buffalo? The New York law at issue in this case obviously did not stop that perpetrator.
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This was in a SCOTUS ruling. No, seriously.
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And how does the majority account for "a well regulated militia" in their opinion?
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I'd presume a poop emoji.

And now un-poop emjoi related, Amy Howe's article on the decision. Seems the decision, much like the draft anti-Roe decision, is grossfully unuseful for developing future rules and regulations. Alito and Kavanaugh try to say the ruling isn't broad, but it for a ruling that isn't broad, they sure the heck didn't actually provide any guidance, other than things need to be "objective".
laughing dog said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
Justice Fucking Alito said:
And how does the dissent account for the fact that one of the mass shootings near the top of its list took place in Buffalo? The New York law at issue in this case obviously did not stop that perpetrator.
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This was in a SCOTUS ruling. No, seriously.
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Alito is an ideological hack with little to no intellectual integrity. That is but one of many examples of his moronic reasoning.
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I was very much against Mr. Unitary Executive (is GOP Is in charge) even getting on the Supreme Court.
 
Artemus said:
I'll go ahead and add it here:

Per CNN, the SCOTUS just struck down a New York law requiring a license for concealed carry.

You need a license to lock a bicycle on my campus but not to carry a gun onto a playground. Makes a whole lot of sense, doesn't it?
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No. SCOTUS struck down may-issue permitting for concealed carry, not permitting in general. In practice may-issue permits (for anything, not just guns) are a breeding ground for corruption. You have connections or you pay bribes to get your permit.
 
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