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I wanted to know a little about the assassination of the 35th president of the United States. The facts and your opinion. If you can help me I would appreciate it
 
Wow.I was 11 when it happened.I call it the day the nuns cried.I am not quite "oliver stone",but the grassy knoll has always bothered me.
 
Wow.I was 11 when it happened.I call it the day the nuns cried.I am not quite "oliver stone",but the grassy knoll has always bothered me.
So you "experienced" what happened. I need a little history, something that fits my theory.
 
Wow.I was 11 when it happened.I call it the day the nuns cried.I am not quite "oliver stone",but the grassy knoll has always bothered me.
So you "experienced" what happened. I need a little history, something that fits my theory.
Something that fits your theory?

My Magic 8 Ball is saying "this is going to end badly."

At first blush, it seems you're here to confirm what you think "really happened."
 
Wow.I was 11 when it happened.I call it the day the nuns cried.I am not quite "oliver stone",but the grassy knoll has always bothered me.
So you "experienced" what happened. I need a little history, something that fits my theory.
Something that fits your theory?

My Magic 8 Ball is saying "this is going to end badly."

At first blush, it seems you're here to confirm what you think "really happened."
Not exactly. I love discussing about various subjects, but I'm just wanting to delve a little more specifically on this one!
 
Wow.I was 11 when it happened.I call it the day the nuns cried.I am not quite "oliver stone",but the grassy knoll has always bothered me.
So you "experienced" what happened. I need a little history, something that fits my theory.
Something that fits your theory?

My Magic 8 Ball is saying "this is going to end badly."

At first blush, it seems you're here to confirm what you think "really happened."
In short: just curiosity
 
I remember the day vividly, where I was when I heard, then finding out he died…
not that my experience is going to support or falsify any “theory”, but happy to offer up any nuggets (or Rubies) upon specific request.
 
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One of the advantages of being a lone gunman is one leaves very little evidence in one's wake. This leaves a lot of room for speculation, and because it's based on very little evidence, can become very creative.

Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone and since he did not live long enough to explain his motives, we are left to fill in the blanks. Oswald owned the murder weapon, he was in the building from which the weapon was fired, and he fled the scene, only to commit another murder. It's all circumstantial evidence, but too much circumstance to be ignored.

Of course, it's possible all of this was fabricated and Oswald was, as he claimed, "a patsy". A conspiracy which took advantage of the fact Oswald bought an Italian rifle through the mail and happened to work in the Texas School Book Depository, would require the work of many people, which violates the "Lone Gunman" rule. A conspiracy, by definition, requires accomplices and each accomplice leaves their own trail of evidence.

The problem with secret conspiracies is always the future, which is to say after the objective is met. What do the conspirators do? Each of them faces the possibility of being betrayed by another. There would have been expenses, which would have been covered by some generous source, but how long does that continue?

In 1950, a gang of men broke into the Brinks Armored Car depot and stole more than $2million dollars. There were 11 of them and most were petty criminals. The plan was to live normal lives and not arouse suspicion until the statute of limitations expired. One of the robbers was convicted of a different crime and wasn't happy about going to prison. The other conspirators were worried he might parlay his knowledge of the Brinks robbery into a shorter sentence. This led to an attempted murder, which led to the prisoner being more than eager to cooperate with law enforcement.

This is how real criminal conspiracies end, and the more people involved, the faster ordinary complications is one person's life become a crisis for the group.
 
I wanted to know a little about the assassination of the 35th president of the United States. The facts and your opinion. If you can help me I would appreciate it
I'll give you one out of the two.

It was a secret service guy in the car in front of Kennedy's. When Lee Harvey Oswald shot at Kennedy, the driver pushed the breaks, and a clumsy agent who had his finger on the trigger accidentally shot Kennedy's brains out. It was so embarrassing, that everyone decided to sweep it under the rug and pin it on Oswald alone.
 
One of the advantages of being a lone gunman is one leaves very little evidence in one's wake. This leaves a lot of room for speculation, and because it's based on very little evidence, can become very creative.

Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone and since he did not live long enough to explain his motives, we are left to fill in the blanks. Oswald owned the murder weapon, he was in the building from which the weapon was fired, and he fled the scene, only to commit another murder. It's all circumstantial evidence, but too much circumstance to be ignored.

Of course, it's possible all of this was fabricated and Oswald was, as he claimed, "a patsy". A conspiracy which took advantage of the fact Oswald bought an Italian rifle through the mail and happened to work in the Texas School Book Depository, would require the work of many people, which violates the "Lone Gunman" rule. A conspiracy, by definition, requires accomplices and each accomplice leaves their own trail of evidence.

The problem with secret conspiracies is always the future, which is to say after the objective is met. What do the conspirators do? Each of them faces the possibility of being betrayed by another. There would have been expenses, which would have been covered by some generous source, but how long does that continue?

I believe it was Ben Franklin who said, "Three men can keep a secret, if two of them are dead." ...which explains Oswald's fate.

At the conclusion of an assassination plot, the assassin himself becomes a loose end no matter how the attempt goes. The masterminds (if they're worthy of the name) know this and will have planned accordingly.
If a plan goes bad, kill the assassin.
If a plan goes well, kill the assassin.

I believe Oswald was the assassin, but it's my opinion that he was acting on somebody's orders -- probably the Soviets -- but that it was the US government that covered it up to make him out as the lone gunman.

Not because they were in cahoots, but because the US knew that if they told the people that a foreign government was responsible for JFK'S desth, the people would demand retaliation... which would inevitably escalate into WWIII.

So Oswald took the fall alone, to keep the peace.
 
I wanted to know a little about the assassination of the 35th president of the United States. The facts and your opinion. If you can help me I would appreciate it
I'll give you one out of the two.

It was a secret service guy in the car in front of Kennedy's. When Lee Harvey Oswald shot at Kennedy, the driver pushed the breaks, and a clumsy agent who had his finger on the trigger accidentally shot Kennedy's brains out. It was so embarrassing, that everyone decided to sweep it under the rug and pin it on Oswald alone.
I always thought that one had the most credibility considering the behavior of the round upon entering JFK's skull. It behaved like an M16 round. But then it was found that Oswald's rounds would do the same thing. That and the "pristine" single bullet isn't pristine at all, it's all deformed, it only looks "pristine" from a distance.

Oliver Stone's take is a joke.
 
I wanted to know a little about the assassination of the 35th president of the United States. The facts and your opinion. If you can help me I would appreciate it
The Warren Commission report would be a place to start.

That it was a lone gunman has been democratized with marksmen as Oswald was said to be.

Oswald was implicated in a prior political shooting.

CIA? Cuba? Russians? Cuban exoats in the USA? Mafia?

Take your pick.

There was Cuban American anger over the failure of the Bay Of Pigs invasion of Cuba.

Joe Kennedy made promises to organized crime for votes, and JFK did not follow through. RFK as AG went after organized crime with a vengeance. Pre election JFK socialized with mobsters.

The CIA made several attempts to assassinate Castro.

There were probably Russians who felt humiliated over how the missile crisis ended.
 
I was in 9th grade World History class when the news came on 22 November '63, but that's rather irrelevant: the detailed conspiracy theories emerged later.

By default I accept authority and reject "conspiracy theories" but I think there are good reasons to think the "lone assassin" theory might be wrong, that that theory is perhaps 85% or 90% likely rather than 100%.

Oswald's biography is odd. Also odd is the prompt silencing of Oswald by Jack Ruby, a man with Mafia connections. There were powerful groups who might want to assassinate JFK, and these were groups — CIA, Mafia, perhaps KGB — of hard men disinclined to "rat" out their co-conspirators.

JFK's brother was a distinguished statesman, and he went to his grave rejecting the "lone assassin" theory:
digitalcommons.law.uga.edu/fac_pm/64/ said:
The myth that RFK had confidence in the Warren Report was demolished by David Talbot’s Brothers: The Hidden History of the Kennedy Years, published in 2007.
. . . that RFK regarded the Warren Report with disdain; that he believed that his brother’s assassination resulted from a conspiracy; and that he thought the conspiracy was not a foreign but a domestic one, with the conspirators probably consisting of Mafia members, anti-Castro Cubans, and rogue CIA-affiliated personnel. “In truth,” Talbot writes, “[Robert F.] Kennedy was one of the first–and among the staunchest–believers in a conspiracy.”
. . . Some of Robert Kennedy’s closest associates also believed that JFK was assassinated as a result of a conspiracy. His press secretary, Frank Mankiewiz, told David Talbot that “I just didn’t believe that a high-school dropout could’ve planned the whole thing. . . . I came to the
conclusion that there was some sort of conspiracy, probably involving the mob, anti-Castro Cuban exiles, and maybe rogue CIA agents.”
James Symington, a former RFK administrative assistant, concluded after reading the Warren Report that “it seemed to be like an effort by
people who were very anxious to put the case to rest without looking into every nook and cranny. It was a long and windy thing and was
concerned mostly with Oswald’s background and showing that he acted alone. . . . There were just too many loose ends.”

Long before Talbot’s book appeared, it was well-established that government officials in the know scoffed at the Warren Report’s no-conspiracy theory. President Lyndon B. Johnson did not believe the theory; neither did three of the seven members of the Warren Commission (including Georgia’s Sen. Richard B. Russell); neither did a majority of the members of the U.S. House of Representatives Select
Committee on Assassinations, which in 1977-78 reinvestigated JFK’s murder.
 
Lone gunman is probaly right. Oswall went to the USSR and the KGB thought he was nuts.
 
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