But what body of adequate authority ever determined that it was an insurrection?? That's where I have a problem--if a suitable body declares that 1/6 was an insurrection then he should be yeeted on the 14th. But that didn't happen--remember the various red areas talking about yeeting Biden on "insurrection"?
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The 10th amendment argument is a bad one. We don't even have to hear it to know it's a bad one. 14 > 10.
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States;..."
How do you figure a state could go about seceding without thereby abridging the privileges and immunities of citizens of the United States? Whatever 10th Amendment case there may once have been for the legality of secession, it's been overridden by a subsequent amendment. One might as well claim there's a valid case in the Constitution for black people counting 3/5 of white people.
Well, that was the reason I had to take basic calculus, so i would understand what I was working with, But, that was 50 years ago.
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Did you read the ruling of the Colorado case? Would the Colorado Supreme Court be a “body of adequate authority”?
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Yeah sure. … retrofits might be difficult, but not in places like airports (take out ONE Cinnabon store for crissakes) or malls.
Most high traffic public places should be able to handle it.
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Did "science"(TM) tell you it was correct to switch in midstream from "Gender identity is fluid" to "What does science say about gender fluidity?"? Did "science"(TM) tell you it was correct to switch your link title from "What does the science say about gender identity?"* to "What does science say about gender fluidity?"? Your introduction of evidence about gender identity tells us jack squat about whether gender is fluid, unless you can also supply us with scientific evidence that gender identity is the same thing as gender. Can you? If not, you're just committing an elementary Fallacy of Equivocation.
(* The actual title of the article you linked to.)
Swammerdami
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Secession, whether violent or peaceful, is not going to happen. Very few would find it plausible or helpful. While the billionaires running Britain pushed for Brexit, I think our Musk-Bezos-Koch overlords, however brazen, would have higher priorities than turning the USA into a broken laughing-stock.
In recent times most Civil Wars follow geographic lines, much as our own Civil War was North vs South. But the divide in post-rational Amerika is NOT North vs South, or even Coasts vs Flyover-land..
If you want to impose geography on our perverse chasm, it is Cities vs Rural. Nebraska overall is redder than South Carolina or Missouri, but Omaha City chose Kamala Harris. Until recently Hispanics and urban dwellers in Texas were very blue. Joe Biden got 65% of the vote in Dallas County.
I agree that things will get much worse before they get better. There will be riots, violence and political squabbles, but they will mostly feature neighborhood vs neighborhood rather than state vs state.
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Nice try. I never said that it was only transactivists harassing the shit out Rowling that caused the loss. I've clearly used it as a microsmic example of where the Dems have lost the thread. I've also clearly stated my disdain for the Trump movement, but also said that wallowing in my/our disgust for them is unproductive and has been for a long time now.
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I never said history shouldn't be taught. Kids need to learn about it, but at some point using the U.S. as a punching bag now for things that happened long ago needs to ease the fuck up. There's no critical thinking skills involved in the lightweight white knighting self-hatred that so many liberals just can't seem to get enough of.
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What we do have are quite useable rules for what constitutes incitement.
Trump's violent rhetoric leading up to and following the 2020 election so clearly constitutes incitement to violence that it would be difficult to find a clearer example that doesn't include super specific language like, "Now go and spread shit on the walls of Congress!" There are no so called "magic words" that constitute incitement.
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Seems like this would fall under the "reasonable person" standard courts use.
thebeave
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People can be reasonable when it comes to politics?
Shadowy Man
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The Colorado Supreme Court seemed to address this reasonably in Their decision. Loren acts like this wasn’t addressed at all.People can be reasonable when it comes to politics?
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Please, god, no...not Cinnabon! I could see sacrificing a Hot Dog on a Stick though. And what is this thing you call..."mall"?
Its almost never easy or inexpensive adding a bathroom after the fact. You have to tap into a hot and cold water source from somewhere nearby, and that means tearing up floors, walls and/or ceilings and patching and painting them back up again. Drains too, which can be even more of a problem, as you have to have the drain slope towards its destination at 1/4" per foot. If you're a small business having to add an extra bathroom, the cost is likely prohibitive.
Um, last time I ate out the place had one bathroom. It had a lock that said occupied/ open. It seemed like it worked just fine. Minimal cost to owner.
Swammerdami
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A small water heater, if necessary at all, can be purchased for less than $200. And a few public restrooms would be enough; no need for every small business to have one. (There's a number-of-employees threshold for applying rules to small businesses. Perhaps some of those thresholds should be raised anyway.)
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That's some bullshit. Conservatives want history erased, not discussed. Having classroom discussions about race, slavery, and genocide is exactly what upsets them, you see it on tv every night, scare stories about liberal teachers or seminars that committed the sin of encouraging conversation.
thebeave
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Well, sure that would work. But you will need a new electric circuit added in (possibly 220V) or a gas line, both of which could be as much, if not more, trouble than adding a hot water pipe. In a mall or airport you can have centrally located bathrooms, but that won't work for a standalone building.
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Yes, that works fine for a small business with few customers.