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Now I've come to the conclusion that Constitutional law means jackshit to the Trump Party and that nearly every charge of weakness and flaccidity leveled against the Democratic party is undeniably true.
Welcome to 21st century USA.
I've been watching this happen for decades.
Tom
It's erosion started decades ago and now that's come to its fruition.

The only thing we can hope for is that those in power e.g. SCOTUS will exercise their conscience(s) and professional obligations....

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Biden should have stacked the court. Maybe he still can.
 
I obviously was too subtle with my reference to millions of imaginary people. It is not simply the raw numbers (which ARE exaggerated, especially with regard to time scale, they are claiming those numbers each year)
They certainly are in the millions per year now.
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Note that these are apprehensions, who end up in the US because of "catch and release". How many more sneak by border patrol agents?
This level of influx is clearly unsustainable, especially when it is very difficult to deport people.
Would you prefer they weren't apprehended?

but the alleged nature of these immigrants - for instance, that they all are carting in a big package of Fentanyl ready to corrupt the American people. If this was true then these immigrants wouldn't be super poor.
Why do you think the drug mules themselves would be well off?
Also Americans should take some responsibility for their drug indulging habit. Drug dealers are only successful because there are so many drug buyers/consumers. Also, they are not all illegals.
Addictions are hard to kick, especially to opioids. And drug dealers make their product more dangerous by lacing it with fentanyl.
The vast majority of drugs that come in come in on commercial semi trucks and trailors driven by red blooded Americans.
 
Would you prefer they weren't apprehended?
Of course not. I was just showing that spacetime inhabitant was wrong when he claimed that the numbers are exaggerated.
The vast majority of drugs that come in come in on commercial semi trucks and trailors driven by red blooded Americans.
I buy that commercial trucks are most often used for drug smuggling, although human mules are used as well. I even buy that the truck drivers are not from Vulcan.
But do you have a citation about the nationality of the "vast majority" of the truck drivers?
 
But what body of adequate authority ever determined that it was an insurrection?? That's where I have a problem--if a suitable body declares that 1/6 was an insurrection then he should be yeeted on the 14th. But that didn't happen--remember the various red areas talking about yeeting Biden on "insurrection"?
Keep moving those goalposts, Captain.
Just because I disagree with what Colorado did doesn't make me think The Felon is good. Colorado jumped the gun as far as I'm concerned--you haven't addressed my point about others planning the same thing for nonsense reasons.
You may disagree with the Colorado decision (and I'd like to see you point to the sections of the decision you actually disagree with) but that doesn't mean that the issue wasn't addressed by an adequate authority.
I don't believe it's something that can be decided at the state level.
And we have courts and court rules to take care of the "nonsense reasons", though perhaps you would simply state that some red state's Supreme Court would be too corrupt to not declare Biden an insurrectionist without any credible evidence. I guess there's no arguing against that kind of logic, eh?
You trust the red state courts on something like this??
 
And we have courts and court rules to take care of the "nonsense reasons", though perhaps you would simply state that some red state's Supreme Court would be too corrupt to not declare Biden an insurrectionist without any credible evidence. I guess there's no arguing against that kind of logic, eh?
You trust the red state courts on something like this??
do you have a logical reason to not? Or just partisan hate? Basically you are agreeing with me that you believe our system is hopelessly corrupt.

And by the way, If Alabama kept Biden off the ballot as an insurrectionist I doubt it would have an impact on the election outcome.
 
Would you prefer they weren't apprehended?
Of course not. I was just showing that spacetime inhabitant was wrong when he claimed that the numbers are exaggerated.
The vast majority of drugs that come in come in on commercial semi trucks and trailors driven by red blooded Americans.
I buy that commercial trucks are most often used for drug smuggling, although human mules are used as well. I even buy that the truck drivers are not from Vulcan.
But do you have a citation about the nationality of the "vast majority" of the truck drivers?
Who is sneaking fentanyl across the southern border? Hint: It's not the migrants

Prosecutors and defense lawyers say Haley's story is typical; the vast majority of illicit fentanyl — close to 90% — is seized at official border crossings. Immigration authorities say nearly all of that is smuggled by people who are legally authorized to cross the border, and more than half by U.S. citizens like Haley. Virtually none is seized from migrants seeking asylum.
 
I listened to an interview with young Trump voters. Their primary method of obtaining information is through social media, and Joe Rogan's podcast was mentioned. They specifically avoid main stream media, especially newspapers.
 
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I don’t know whose “turn” it would be in 2028. I’m looking forward to a primary with hopefully some good options.
That's not in anyone's control now.
The only way you or I will have ANY options in '28 is if Trump croaks. Or is "croaked".
 
what body of adequate authority ever determined that it was an insurrection??
THERE IS NO "ADEQUATE AUTHORITY".
The State Supreme Court was the ONLY authority to adjudicate that point, and they found that it was an insurrection and that Trump was complicit.
As we saw, that lead to tit for tat.
 
But what body of adequate authority ever determined that it was an insurrection?? That's where I have a problem--if a suitable body declares that 1/6 was an insurrection then he should be yeeted on the 14th. But that didn't happen--remember the various red areas talking about yeeting Biden on "insurrection"?
Did you read the ruling of the Colorado case? Would the Colorado Supreme Court be a “body of adequate authority”?
I think it needs to be either Congress or SCOTUS.
Not according to the wording of the amendment.
The problem is the amendment didn't define it adequately. It was passed at a time when the relevant incident was most clearly insurrection and fails to address what constitutes insurrection.
 
Would you prefer they weren't apprehended?
Of course not. I was just showing that spacetime inhabitant was wrong when he claimed that the numbers are exaggerated.
The vast majority of drugs that come in come in on commercial semi trucks and trailors driven by red blooded Americans.
I buy that commercial trucks are most often used for drug smuggling, although human mules are used as well. I even buy that the truck drivers are not from Vulcan.
But do you have a citation about the nationality of the "vast majority" of the truck drivers?
Others have addressed this but just look more generally--who gets the least scrutiny and thus is most likely to succeed? And there's the fact that if you're going to smuggle something into a country it definitely helps for you to live there, speak the language and be used to how things work. Consider an incident from many years ago: Flying into Shanghai, my wife set off the nuclear detector. I do consider their security inadequate as they were too focused on clearing "false" (actual radiation, just from innocent sources) alarms and not enough on determining that they were false. However, she simply had a short discussion with the officials who simply took her word on the situation (the card from the lab was sitting at home in the pocket of the jacket she had been going to wear, then changed her mind just before we went) without the slightest evidence (and it would have been easy enough to test with a geiger counter--it was residual Tc-99M, it would be distributed according to her body mass and not show a hot spot.) The fact that she spoke to them in their native tongue at native fluency and with a local accent no doubt had something to do with how quickly it was dismissed. I do not expect I would have received the same treatment.
 
And we have courts and court rules to take care of the "nonsense reasons", though perhaps you would simply state that some red state's Supreme Court would be too corrupt to not declare Biden an insurrectionist without any credible evidence. I guess there's no arguing against that kind of logic, eh?
You trust the red state courts on something like this??
do you have a logical reason to not? Or just partisan hate? Basically you are agreeing with me that you believe our system is hopelessly corrupt.
If The Felon takes power the corruption will become hopeless.

And by the way, If Alabama kept Biden off the ballot as an insurrectionist I doubt it would have an impact on the election outcome.
Agreed. The issue would be gerrymandered purple states.
 
I don’t know whose “turn” it would be in 2028. I’m looking forward to a primary with hopefully some good options.
That's not in anyone's control now.
The only way you or I will have ANY options in '28 is if Trump croaks. Or is "croaked".
Or Biden uses the power SCOTUS gave him and stages a palace coup.

I don't think his croaking would matter, Project 2025 is about gutting the controls, if it's implemented there won't be a meaningful choice in 2028.
 
And we have courts and court rules to take care of the "nonsense reasons", though perhaps you would simply state that some red state's Supreme Court would be too corrupt to not declare Biden an insurrectionist without any credible evidence. I guess there's no arguing against that kind of logic, eh?
You trust the red state courts on something like this??
do you have a logical reason to not? Or just partisan hate? Basically you are agreeing with me that you believe our system is hopelessly corrupt.
If The Felon takes power the corruption will become hopeless.

in the state courts?
 
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