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Constantinople fell in 1453, but it took them almost half a millennium to change the official English-language name. (Though just as Thais refer to their capital as 'Krung Thep' rather than 'Bangkok',
They probably just don't want to deal with the obvious ladyboy jokes.
My subscription to the Bigots and other Idiots newsletter has lapsed.)
You know, calling everybody who disagrees with you an "idiot" or a "bigot" is getting tiresome.
And I only brought Turkic western invasion to show that the "land back" left is very selective in what ancient conquests they condemn (anything to do with people of European descent) and which they are fine with (pretty much every other people). If New York is on "stolen land", then so is Istanbul.
 
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A caliphate would be about as bad as what The Felon is going for. Moderate Islam is fine, radical Islam is not.
A caliphate would be much worse. The mass migrants tend to come from areas where radical Islam is predominant such as Afghanistan.
Of course they do. Because those are the places thag people want to get away from.

The idea that they are therefore likely to want to establish radical Islam in their new homes is bizarrely broken logic.

Most of the Jewish migrants arriving in America (or trying to get to America) in the early 1930s were from places where Nazism was rampant. "We should not allow them in, in case they try to establish Nazism in America", would have be an incredibly stupid and illogical position to take back then. Even though it would have been possible to find examples of German Jews who were fans of Nazism.

But it's the exact argument you are making now about Afghan refugees and radical Islam.
 
Sending anyone back to Haiti - a perfect example of a violent, dangerous shithole - should be considered a crime against human decency.
Anyone? Even those who have e.g. committed violent crimes on US soil?
Yes.

The "they are eating the pets" line was a lie. That does not mean that there aren't problems with the concept of turning a temporary protected status into a vehicle for large-scale permanent migration.
Just like there is a problem into turning the asylum system into a vehicle for large-scale economic migration.

It doesn’t mean there are problems in your straw man. The point was about the Haitians not some imaginary bogeymen.
 
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Of course they do. Because those are the places thag people want to get away from.
But why do they want to get away? For most it is the money. They want to get to places like Germoney because they have the best economic prospects there. But that does not mean they like western societies or culture. That's why they start demanding a caliphate in Hamburg and protest against pubs in London.
And even those that want to get away because of the Taliban could be Islamists of a different franchise such as Shia. Almost all Afghans support Sharia for example.
gsi2-overview-1.png

So even if there is a selection against Sharia among those migrating to US, Europe or Australia, that still could easily mean that 2/3 or 3/4 support Sharia. Which is why it is important that any prospective immigrants be carefully vetted, and not let in just because they showed up at the border or on a boat off the shores of Turkey or North Africa.

The idea that they are therefore likely to want to establish radical Islam in their new homes is bizarrely broken logic.
It is not. Your logic, that all Afghans must be migrating because they reject Islamism and therefore they should all be let in is bizarrely broken. I am not saying keep them all out. I am saying vet them for extremism.

Most of the Jewish migrants arriving in America (or trying to get to America) in the early 1930s were from places where Nazism was rampant. "We should not allow them in, in case they try to establish Nazism in America", would have be an incredibly stupid and illogical position to take back then. Even though it would have been possible to find examples of German Jews who were fans of Nazism.
But these migrants are not some minority religion in Afghanistan. They are Muslims, as are almost all other Afghans. So Christian Germans would be a better analogy (and just like Sunni and Shia Islam, there is Catholic and Lutheran Christianity in Germany). Were all Germans Nazis? Of course not? Should migrants from Germany have been accepted just because they showed up with no vetting for extremist ideologies such as Nazism and Communism? Should furthermore unlimited numbers of them have been admitted no matter how many show up at the birder demanding to be let in? Of course not! And yet you demand that for Afghans.

And German culture is part of the West, and is therefore much more compatible with cultures of the US and the rest of Europe. Afghan culture is very different and in many ways incompatible. Integration for Afghans into western societies is thus far more challenging (especially if they do not like western culture). When the numbers are large this has the added danger that it will lead to parallel societies.

But it's the exact argument you are making now about Afghan refugees and radical Islam.
Afghanistan has a very different culture than Germany. And I am not even saying to not let anybody in from Afghanistan. But we (Europe, Australia and US alike) should vet prospective immigrants. And realize that because so many Afghans are Islamists, there will be a large rejection rate.
 
Your logic, that all Afghans must be migrating because they reject Islamism and therefore they should all be let in is bizarrely broken.
That's not my logic.
Should furthermore unlimited numbers of them have been admitted no matter how many show up at the birder demanding to be let in? Of course not! And yet you demand that for Afghans.
Do I? Quote me.

I am demanding nothing.

I am pointing out that you are probably wrong, and giving sound reasons why you probably are.

I haven't demanded jack-shit.
 
Let's just hope in the rush and zeal to deport all the illegal or criminal immigrants, legal law-abiding immigrants are not swept up and sent out.
Why would you expect this?
Because Habeas Corpus has to be suspended to achieve their spoken goal. It is logistically impossible to deport millions of people quickly without a court hearing. Even a five minute hearing for 1 million people amounts to 9 or so years of continuous court time. At 12 hour work days, that'd be 144 people a day per court. If they used all 60 immigration courts, it'd take 115 12-hour shifts to manage just one million people, for just five minutes. This is ignoring all of the work required for an attorney to demonstrate the case against the defendant.

So we'll need to trust the Trump Administration that Person A is who the Trump Admin say they are... and Person A's status is what the Trump Admin says it is... and Person A is from whatever country the Trump Admin says they are from. This is in gross defiance of the Fifth Amendment, which is can be argued people with non-legal status don't have Fifth Amendment rights, the state would be telling us we need to trust them with their declaration that the person in fact has non-legal status.

If Derec and TSwizzle are swept up and put into a holding cell, they are getting deported unless they can contest the Government action. And contesting takes time. Time the ugly mofos like Trump and Miller don't have.
 
It could be all about for-profit prisons.
Next great investment opportunity!
A big growth potential!
Get in early and win!
 
It could be all about for-profit prisons.
Next great investment opportunity!
A big growth potential!
Get in early and win!
I think there's a word for a large camp where people are indefinitely detained without trial and forced to work without for wealthy industrialists who happen to be friends with the fuhrer. Gimme a sec, it'll come for me. To me. Come to me.
 
If Derec and TSwizzle are swept up and put into a holding cell, they are getting deported unless they can contest the Government action. And contesting takes time. Time the ugly mofos like Trump and Miller don't have.

Male bovine excrement. There is no reason to suppose that would happen, silly goose.
 
If Derec and TSwizzle are swept up and put into a holding cell, they are getting deported unless they can contest the Government action. And contesting takes time. Time the ugly mofos like Trump and Miller don't have.

Male bovine excrement. There is no reason to suppose that would happen, silly goose.
Lots of things happen with no advance notice. Especially when a psychopathic despot is calling the shots. You’re just like the rest of us Swiz. Best sleep with one eye open, furriner!
 
If Derec and TSwizzle are swept up and put into a holding cell, they are getting deported unless they can contest the Government action. And contesting takes time. Time the ugly mofos like Trump and Miller don't have.
Male bovine excrement. There is no reason to suppose that would happen, silly goose.
What would happen? That people get caught in a hastily thrown out deportation net because the Trump Admin would lack the resources and time to do it correctly?

Or that because you are white, you wouldn't get rounded up?

Or do you actually think Due Process will be involved with the deportations?
 
If Derec and TSwizzle are swept up and put into a holding cell, they are getting deported unless they can contest the Government action. And contesting takes time. Time the ugly mofos like Trump and Miller don't have.
Male bovine excrement. There is no reason to suppose that would happen, silly goose.
What would happen? That people get caught in a hastily thrown out deportation net because the Trump Admin would lack the resources and time to do it correctly?

Or that because you are white, you wouldn't get rounded up?

Or do you actually think Due Process will be involved with the deportations?

lol, you live in a fantasy world fella. You just make things up as you go along.
 
Of course they do. Because those are the places thag people want to get away from.
But why do they want to get away? For most it is the money. They want to get to places like Germoney because they have the best economic prospects there. But that does not mean they like western societies or culture. That's why they start demanding a caliphate in Hamburg and protest against pubs in London.
And even those that want to get away because of the Taliban could be Islamists of a different franchise such as Shia. Almost all Afghans support Sharia for example.
gsi2-overview-1.png

So even if there is a selection against Sharia among those migrating to US, Europe or Australia, that still could easily mean that 2/3 or 3/4 support Sharia. Which is why it is important that any prospective immigrants be carefully vetted, and not let in just because they showed up at the border or on a boat off the shores of Turkey or North Africa.

The idea that they are therefore likely to want to establish radical Islam in their new homes is bizarrely broken logic.
It is not. Your logic, that all Afghans must be migrating because they reject Islamism and therefore they should all be let in is bizarrely broken. I am not saying keep them all out. I am saying vet them for extremism.

Most of the Jewish migrants arriving in America (or trying to get to America) in the early 1930s were from places where Nazism was rampant. "We should not allow them in, in case they try to establish Nazism in America", would have be an incredibly stupid and illogical position to take back then. Even though it would have been possible to find examples of German Jews who were fans of Nazism.
But these migrants are not some minority religion in Afghanistan. They are Muslims, as are almost all other Afghans. So Christian Germans would be a better analogy (and just like Sunni and Shia Islam, there is Catholic and Lutheran Christianity in Germany). Were all Germans Nazis? Of course not? Should migrants from Germany have been accepted just because they showed up with no vetting for extremist ideologies such as Nazism and Communism? Should furthermore unlimited numbers of them have been admitted no matter how many show up at the birder demanding to be let in? Of course not! And yet you demand that for Afghans.

And German culture is part of the West, and is therefore much more compatible with cultures of the US and the rest of Europe. Afghan culture is very different and in many ways incompatible. Integration for Afghans into western societies is thus far more challenging (especially if they do not like western culture). When the numbers are large this has the added danger that it will lead to parallel societies.

But it's the exact argument you are making now about Afghan refugees and radical Islam.
Afghanistan has a very different culture than Germany. And I am not even saying to not let anybody in from Afghanistan. But we (Europe, Australia and US alike) should vet prospective immigrants. And realize that because so many Afghans are Islamists, there will be a large rejection rate.
Let me get this straight - you want prospective immigrants to pass some sort of political views test?
 
If Derec and TSwizzle are swept up and put into a holding cell, they are getting deported unless they can contest the Government action. And contesting takes time. Time the ugly mofos like Trump and Miller don't have.

Male bovine excrement. There is no reason to suppose that would happen, silly goose.
It's already happened.

  • Incorrectly identified as a non-citizen
    ICE has been known to incorrectly identify US citizens as potentially eligible for removal. For example, in 2019, Francisco Erwin Galicia was detained for 26 days after being stopped at a Border Patrol checkpoint. Galicia produced documents proving he was born in Dallas, Texas, but officials still detained him.
Silly goose.
 
If Derec and TSwizzle are swept up and put into a holding cell, they are getting deported unless they can contest the Government action. And contesting takes time. Time the ugly mofos like Trump and Miller don't have.
Male bovine excrement. There is no reason to suppose that would happen, silly goose.
What would happen? That people get caught in a hastily thrown out deportation net because the Trump Admin would lack the resources and time to do it correctly?

Or that because you are white, you wouldn't get rounded up?

Or do you actually think Due Process will be involved with the deportations?

lol, you live in a fantasy world fella. You just make things up as you go along.
That isn't an answer, or even a viable response. I can't imply anything from it. I'm not even certain why you posted it.

Do you think it is remotely viable to deport millions of people and ensure Due Process?
 
If Derec and TSwizzle are swept up and put into a holding cell, they are getting deported unless they can contest the Government action. And contesting takes time. Time the ugly mofos like Trump and Miller don't have.
Male bovine excrement. There is no reason to suppose that would happen, silly goose.
What would happen? That people get caught in a hastily thrown out deportation net because the Trump Admin would lack the resources and time to do it correctly?

Or that because you are white, you wouldn't get rounded up?

Or do you actually think Due Process will be involved with the deportations?

lol, you live in a fantasy world fella. You just make things up as you go along.
That isn't an answer, or even a viable response. I can't imply anything from it. I'm not even certain why you posted it.

Do you think it is remotely viable to deport millions of people and ensure Due Process?

I responded to the "If Derec and TSwizzle are swept up and put into a holding cell, they are getting deported unless they can contest the Government action." nonsense you posted. Then you just ignore what I posted.
 
Let's just hope in the rush and zeal to deport all the illegal or criminal immigrants, legal law-abiding immigrants are not swept up and sent out.
Why would you expect this? Haven't you heard the talk about "denaturalization"?
Denaturalization would be a legal quagmire. But hey, I say try it out on Melanie first. She might not even fight it.
Why do you think he's going to let the law limit him? His pet judges will do what he says.
There are not that many pet judges.
All he needs are 5 on SCOTUS.
 
A caliphate would be about as bad as what The Felon is going for. Moderate Islam is fine, radical Islam is not.
A caliphate would be much worse. The mass migrants tend to come from areas where radical Islam is predominant such as Afghanistan.
You think we aren't headed for radical theocracy???
 
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