Why does Jesus grieve for Lazarus’s death?

Learner said:

atrib said:

Ephesians said:

SLD said:

So the story of Lazarus is only told in John. It’s a sign of his miracles.

But Jesus tarries for two days after he hears that he’s sick. Then he says he’s going to wake him as a sign. So he knows that Lazarus has died. So he goes to Lazarus and being informed that Lazarus has been buried for four days, and by this time he stinks. And then he weeps.

Why? In John, Jesus is god. Just bring his soul to heaven. Death makes no difference after John’s Jesus is done. So why does he weep?

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Because God has compassion. Duh.

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He has so much compassion that he created all his children broken, cursed to sin, toil and death, and will roast them in hell forever if we don't bow down and accept him as our lord and master. Compassion indeed.

He has so much compassion that he killed all his children, other than a small handful in a boat, with a flood. The word is genocide, and even we flawed humans know that genocide is immoral.

Thank god this monster is just a figment of our imagination.

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It seems to me - you have a totally different concept understanding of the bible, than many theists do (I am asssuming Ephesians understands it as I do), in contex that 'death and sin' came into the world, AFTER Adam and Eve (who were perfect in the first place) were decieved.

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Whose fault is that? God was the adult in the story, and he allowed Adam and Eve to be deceived, and then punished them even though they were innocents (by your own words). If I left a loaded gun in a room with an unsupervised child (the innocent in this scenario), and an accident happened when the child picked up the gun, whose fault would that be? Would you blame the child or the negligent parent? Why are you apologizing for this negligent god?

How does it make sense to punish humans for the transgressions of Adam and Eve? I didn't have anything to do with Adam and Eve, and your god still created me a sinner, destined for disease and death. What did I do deserve being born this way? And how does it make sense to punish me forever if I behave the way I was created to behave by this god? He programmed me to act this way. Why are you apologizing for this sadistic monster of a god?

How does global genocide make any sense? Parents who love their children don't kill them. But Christians claim that their god loves them. Why are you apologizing for this genocidal mass murderer?

You are blinded by your faith, and unwilling to ask these questions. Your faith is not a gift, it is a curse. You were not born a slave and you shouldn't live your life like one.

This is such an interesting exhibition of the harm religion can do. The cheerful willingness to absolve the monser and blame the victims, using passive language and insinuation.

Learner said:

It seems to me - you have a totally different concept understanding of the bible, than many theists do (I am asssuming Ephesians understands it as I do), in contex that 'death and sin' came into the world, AFTER Adam and Eve (who were perfect in the first place) were decieved.

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“Came into” as if it just, *poof* accidentally, oh, snap! where did that come from?
It didn’t “come into” the world at all, according to your story. It was brought in on purpose by the all powerful creator. Nothing is made, your story goes, except by it. Your god created evil, he created death and sin, brought them into the world and placed his victims right down into it.

“Were deceived.” So passive. Such an abbrogation of responsibility. You are willing to give the monster a pass. Even though your god created Adam and Eve without the ability to perceive deception, and then placed them right there with the deliberately made Ultimate Deceiver.

And your abusive god figure tells you to blame the guileless naive new humans for the outcome. And you do it.

“Were deceived.” “Came into.” So detached from responsibility. This is one of the evils of religion - that you are willing to ignore culpability and celebrate abuse.

We can see your “underestanding” of the bible, and how you place your abuser outside of responsibility for his own actions. And you’re right, we don’t “understand” the story the way you do, through a lens that enables evil.