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Metaphor said:
Toni said:
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Toni said:
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Jarhyn said:
No, my observations directly of people who did exactly this sort of spreading of misinformation for the joys of watching people be touched and be harmed by the resulting chaos caused by this malignant imposed ignorance make that a reality.
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You hang around some sick people.
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I think that Jarhyn has a point, although I never thought if it quite that way. Example that leaps to mind: some prominent members of the GOP and some well known FoX commentators are vaccinated themselves and cheer on all of those who are refusing to be vaccinated. As far as I can see, for shits and giggles. Oh, and power and bucks.
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That some such people may exist does not mean the unvaccinated ("plague rats", in your dehumanising language) want to inflict suffering on the world. In fact, you make it sound like the exact opposite - that the 'inflict suffering for shits and giggles' crowd is a subgroup of the vaccinated.
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I assumed that everyone realized that they (the mostly vaccinated who encourage others to not be vaccinated) are hypocrites.

Sorry to have left that out if it caused any misunderstanding.

Many of those who are refusing to be vaccinated are deluded. It’s unfortunate that they have been so seriously misled by those who will not bear any ( or muc) risk of disease themselves.
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What a ridiculously ignorant statement. For it to be true, it would mean vaccination has no effect whatsoever. Neither you nor I believe that.
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It seems obvious that you didn't understand what I wrote but to be honest, I cannot understand and untangle it for you.
 
ZiprHead said:
What metric are you using to determine that?
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Isn't it ... interesting... that those who would scream about taking personal responsibility when it comes to pregnancy or other issue like that, are pretty much the same people who refuse to take personal responsibility when it comes to protecting others from a deadly disease?
 
Metaphor said:
What metric is anyone using when they decide it is right and proper to force medical procedures on unconsenting adult group A, solely for the benefit of group B?

In any case, I do not think it is any longer productive to argue public policy with people who are so callous that they dehumanise their targeted group as 'plague rats'.
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Is it OK to force you to not pull the trigger of a gun when it's pointed at "Group B"?

By your thinking it's perfectly OK to knowingly take chances with other people's lives. What ever happened to personal responsibility?
 
mtephor said:
I do not think it is any longer productive to argue public policy with people who are so callous that they dehumanise their targeted group as 'plague rats
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Right. “Sheeple” are such better targets.
How I do love right wing extremist hypocrisy! ❤️❤️❤️
 
blastula said:
TSwizzle said:
Aaron Rodgers blasts Biden;
while Biden was touring a tornado-ravaged part of Kentucky, he whispered to a woman in a Green Bay Packers cap and shirt, "Tell that quarterback he's gotta get the vaccine."
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Ouch.
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Poor QAaron Rodgers won't get to meet the tyrant Biden at the fake White House now. :(
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Do I have this right? Aaron Rodgers, Quarterback for the Green Bay Epidemiologists disagrees with Dr. Fauci; and an Infidel advances that as evidence of ... something? Sure, Dr. Rodgers' doctorates may be in relevant disciplines, but is his opinion really worth more than Fauci's?

What? Say that again? You mean Aaron Rodgers not only doesn't have a doctorate, he dropped out of college before getting his Bachelor's degree in "American Studies"?? Rodgers got his info from QAnon or InfoWars. Maybe the Green Bay Epidemiologists should find themselves a new Quarterback.

But in "egalitarian" post-rational America, Rodgers' opinion is valued as much as, or more than, Biden's or Fauci's! Wow.
 
More demonstrations in Brussels;

Belgian police resorted to firing powerful water cannons and using tear gas to control mass demonstrations in Brussels against the EU nation's Covid-19 restrictions earlier today. Today's protest saw up to 50,000 people demonstrating in the capital of the European Union, including many who had travelled from France, Germany and other European countries to take part and voice their anger.
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Daily Mail

Good to see people starting to push back against this nonsense.
 
TSwizzle said:
More demonstrations in Brussels;

Belgian police resorted to firing powerful water cannons and using tear gas to control mass demonstrations in Brussels against the EU nation's Covid-19 restrictions earlier today. Today's protest saw up to 50,000 people demonstrating in the capital of the European Union, including many who had travelled from France, Germany and other European countries to take part and voice their anger.
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Daily Mail

Good to see people starting to push back against this nonsense.
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Thanks.

I have been pushing back against the nonsense of the Daily Mail for ages, but it's nice to be recognised.
 
Protests in DC;

Thousands gathered in Washington D.C. - a city that mandates vaccines - to protest vaccine mandates, with protesters blaring ballads by Meat Loaf, a musician who is feared to have succumbed to COVID-19 complications at 74 after vocal hesitation about the jab.
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Daily Mail

Apparently DC has an outdoor mask mandate. How ridiculous.
 
T.G.G. Moogly said:
Metaphor said:
It appears you believe that I oppose drinking water standards. Why do you think that?
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Because you said you oppose mandates.
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So, you cannot discern the difference between a specific vaccine mandate that forces adults to undergo a medical procedure they oppose, and water drinking standards in a community that doesn't force anyone to do anything, except pay rates?

You think there is no difference there that is relevant?
 
Elixir said:
Right. “Sheeple” are such better targets.
How I do love right wing extremist hypocrisy! ❤️❤️❤️
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So, you've witnessed multiple people on this thread call the unvaccinated 'plague rats'. Who have you witnessed calling people 'sheeple'?
 
TSwizzle said:
Protests in DC;

Thousands gathered in Washington D.C. - a city that mandates vaccines - to protest vaccine mandates, with protesters blaring ballads by Meat Loaf, a musician who is feared to have succumbed to COVID-19 complications at 74 after vocal hesitation about the jab.
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Daily Mail

Apparently DC has an outdoor mask mandate. How ridiculous.
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Do you not see the irony of this (bolded)?
 
crazyfingers said:
Metaphor said:
What metric is anyone using when they decide it is right and proper to force medical procedures on unconsenting adult group A, solely for the benefit of group B?

In any case, I do not think it is any longer productive to argue public policy with people who are so callous that they dehumanise their targeted group as 'plague rats'.
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Is it OK to force you to not pull the trigger of a gun when it's pointed at "Group B"?

By your thinking it's perfectly OK to knowingly take chances with other people's lives. What ever happened to personal responsibility?
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People with COVID should isolate like anyone else with COVID.

I reject that people without COVID are pointing a gun at anybody.
 
Metaphor said:
crazyfingers said:
Metaphor said:
What metric is anyone using when they decide it is right and proper to force medical procedures on unconsenting adult group A, solely for the benefit of group B?

In any case, I do not think it is any longer productive to argue public policy with people who are so callous that they dehumanise their targeted group as 'plague rats'.
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Is it OK to force you to not pull the trigger of a gun when it's pointed at "Group B"?

By your thinking it's perfectly OK to knowingly take chances with other people's lives. What ever happened to personal responsibility?
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People with COVID should isolate like anyone else with COVID.

I reject that people without COVID are pointing a gun at anybody.
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Estimates are that on the order of 40% of people with Covid don't know it and/or are asymptomatic. And then there are the presymptomatic. They still spread it. You should know that.

That so many people with Covid don't know and go around without a care for others demolishes your argument.

Why is it that these larger than nuances always get ignored?
 
crazyfingers said:
Estimates are that on the order of 40% of people with Covid don't know it and/or are asymptomatic. And then there are the presymptomatic. They still spread it. You should know that.

That so many people with Covid don't know and go around without a care for others demolishes your argument.

Why is it that these larger than nuances always get ignored?
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Many people on here cannot understand the difference between COVID status and vaccination status. They're not the same.

I'm over it. I'm not going to indulge or acquiesce to your fascism. I understand that there are countries that will.
 
Metaphor said:
"Through their inaction".

First, Group A (the unvaccinated) is not harming Group B (the voluntarily vaccinated). Some people in Group B want to use the State to force a medical procedure on the unconsenting adults in Group A in order to benefit the people in Group B. Forcing a medical procedure on an unconsenting adult for the benefit of others is such a violation of bodily autonomy it would require circumstances that I cannot articulate.
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Group A is harming group B. The vaccines aren't perfect, the more As walking around the more likely Bs are to get sick. You're also missing group C--those who either can't be vaccinated (very small) or for whom the vaccine doesn't work very well (those with weakened immune systems. This group is large.) They're harmed even more than the Bs.

Furthermore, nothing is being forced. Go be unvaccinated if you want, just only associate with As, stay away from Bs and especially Cs. The basic impossibility of this is irrelevant.
 
TomC said:
Metaphor said:
What metric is anyone using when they decide it is right and proper to force medical procedures on unconsenting adult group A, solely for the benefit of group B?
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Who is "group B" in this context?

There isn't any real group B. The legislation is for everyone's benefit. The mandates would apply to me as much as anyone else. The difference is only that I did the responsible thing last spring, voluntarily.
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The As don't want it. I have no problem with not forcing a benefit on them, I just don't want them forcing a harm on everyone else.
 
Loren Pechtel said:
Furthermore, nothing is being forced. Go be unvaccinated if you want, just only associate with As, stay away from Bs and especially Cs. The basic impossibility of this is irrelevant.
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Of course it is being forced. That's what a vaccine mandate is. You and your fascist brethren don't want the unvaccinated to form their own associations. You and your fascist brethren don't want a grocery store to be able to say 'unvaccinated people welcome here'. You and your fascist brethren want a situation like Germany and Austria, with fines in perpetuity and/or indefinite house arrest for the unvaccinated. You and your fascist brethren advocate this openly. The only outrage that I have not seen anybody advocate is the government physically kidnapping citizens and forcing the vaccine on them. Presumably though some people advocate that, too.
 
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