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Snowflakes in action: the actual reality of "snowflakes" in the world and the consequences

71 7. An individual should feel discomfort, guilt, anguish, or72 any other form of psychological distress on account of his or73 her race, color, sex, or national origin.
So some snot nosed snowflake right wing kid can screw up the entire class and get the teacher in trouble for "feels".
Some snot nosed snowflake right wing kid can already screw up the entire class and get the teacher in trouble for "feels" by falsely accusing the teacher of preaching Islam at him when all the teacher said was Muhammad started a religion that expanded out of Arabia and now has 1.8 billion followers. Do you think that's a reason we should make it legal for public school teachers to preach their own respective religions at the captive audiences the government supplies them with?
Your example is far from equivalent to what is going on here. Your complainer is lying.
Not necessarily -- plenty of Christian chauvinists would sincerely perceive a factual description of another religion unaccompanied by a disclaimer about Jesus warning us against false profits to be proselytizing for the other religion. And your complainer is also likely to be lying. When his parents explore suing because his feelings were hurt, their lawyer is going to ask him what the teacher said to make him feel bad, and then if what the teacher actually said isn't prohibited the lawyer will point that out, and then if the matter isn't dropped on the spot the kid will probably either make up something extra for the teacher to have said, or else be coached to do so.

This law allows truthful complaints of uncomfortableness to be actionable in a court of law.
Quote the provision that allows that.
 
So, the contention that conservatives are hypocrites aside, do you have a problem with the legislation? If you do, what is it?

* It's pointless
* It's harmful
* It's entirely for show
* It distracts from REAL problems
* It further incites right wing extremist ignoramuses to do stupid and harmful things, and perhaps most importantly,
* Even ultra-sensitive right wing snowflakes have no right to be protected from factual history,
NO MATTER HOW IT MAKES THEM FEEL.
The other points aside, the bill does not protect anyone from teaching or being exposed to "factual history".
Yes it does. It explicitly does, by saying anything that is deemed offensive or shameful is out of bounds. They don't create limits, they created a dubious and undefined standard that isn't black and white and can be easily used to take a school to court... something schools don't have money to do... to determine if whatever was taught was out of bounds. It is a form of legalized judicial harassment.
 
The other points aside, the bill does not protect anyone from teaching or being exposed to "factual history".

Your weasel word salad aside* ,
* It's pointless
* It's harmful
* It's entirely for show
* It distracts from REAL problems
* It further incites right wing extremist ignoramuses to do stupid and harmful things, and perhaps most importantly,
* Even ultra-sensitive right wing snowflakes have no right to be protected from factual history,
NO MATTER HOW IT MAKES THEM FEEL

* that’s ALL it does. That it can’t be explicit doesn’t obscure its intent. What other purpose could it serve?
 
Your weasel word salad aside* ,
* It's pointless
* It's harmful
* It's entirely for show
* It distracts from REAL problems
* It further incites right wing extremist ignoramuses to do stupid and harmful things, and perhaps most importantly,
* Even ultra-sensitive right wing snowflakes have no right to be protected from factual history,
NO MATTER HOW IT MAKES THEM FEEL

* that’s ALL it does. That it can’t be explicit doesn’t obscure its intent. What other purpose could it serve?
It does not do what people claim it does. Repeating falsehoods about it doesn't make the falsehoods true.
 
It does not do what people claim it does. Repeating falsehoods about it doesn't make the falsehoods true.

Yet you keep doing it, and in that trademark right wingnut manner.
b’bye
Guess I’ll see ya ‘round the quote fields.
 
71 7. An individual should feel discomfort, guilt, anguish, or72 any other form of psychological distress on account of his or73 her race, color, sex, or national origin.
So some snot nosed snowflake right wing kid can screw up the entire class and get the teacher in trouble for "feels".
Some snot nosed snowflake right wing kid can already screw up the entire class and get the teacher in trouble for "feels" by falsely accusing the teacher of preaching Islam at him when all the teacher said was Muhammad started a religion that expanded out of Arabia and now has 1.8 billion followers. Do you think that's a reason we should make it legal for public school teachers to preach their own respective religions at the captive audiences the government supplies them with?
Your example is far from equivalent to what is going on here. Your complainer is lying.
Not necessarily -- plenty of Christian chauvinists would sincerely perceive a factual description of another religion unaccompanied by a disclaimer about Jesus warning us against false profits to be proselytizing for the other religion. And your complainer is also likely to be lying. When his parents explore suing because his feelings were hurt, their lawyer is going to ask him what the teacher said to make him feel bad, and then if what the teacher actually said isn't prohibited the lawyer will point that out, and then if the matter isn't dropped on the spot the kid will probably either make up something extra for the teacher to have said, or else be coached to do so.

This law allows truthful complaints of uncomfortableness to be actionable in a court of law.
Quote the provision that allows that.
There is no provision in this law for court and punishment. That's in the law it's amending.
A bill to be entitled 2 An act relating to individual freedom; amending s. 3 760.10,
Be It Enacted by the Legislature of the State of Florida: 37 38 Section 1. Present subsections (8), (9), and (10) of 39 section 760.10, Florida Statutes, are redesignated as 40 subsections (9), (10), and (11), respectively, and a new 41 subsection (8) and subsection (12) are added to that section, to 42 read:
 
Yes it does. It explicitly does, by saying anything that is deemed offensive or shameful is out of bounds. They don't create limits, they created a dubious and undefined standard that isn't black and white and can be easily used to take a school to court... something schools don't have money to do... to determine if whatever was taught was out of bounds. It is a form of legalized judicial harassment.

Yup, this is the real issue. It's about going just far enough that it can be used to create trouble for those who aren't actually doing wrong.

What happens when someone feels uncomfortable about being told what white people did even though the teacher doesn't tell them they should be uncomfortable about it?
 
I'm just going to be honest here: When I read the title of the thread, I was kind of hoping for pictures of actual blizzards, white outs, school cancelations, etc.
Just put this pic from the back deck in the lounge, but I'll leave a copy here just for you, snowflake :D
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I'm just going to be honest here: When I read the title of the thread, I was kind of hoping for pictures of actual blizzards, white outs, school cancelations, etc.
Just put this pic from the back deck in the lounge, but I'll leave a copy here just for you, snowflake :D
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Thank you. It's lovely.

Here's a photo from my facebook timeline. The gentleman pictured is not anyone I know. Photo taken by and posted by a professional photographer. Taken on the northern shores of Minnesota, along Lake Superior.

wall of iceciles harmon photo jan 2022.jpg

Here's another one, same photographer: north shore harmon photo jan 2022.jpg
 
What happens when someone feels uncomfortable about being told what white people did even though the teacher doesn't tell them they should be uncomfortable about it?
The bill does not forbid white people being uncomfortable, nor does it say a teacher must tell them that they should not feel guilt. It forbids a teacher telling white people they should feel inferior because they are white.
 
Love the bottom one. Top one gives me the creeps... so dangerous. Looks like hundreds or thousands of pounds of ice spears directly above they guy... might be an illusion, but gives me the creeps.
(the shot off the deck is a few minutes ago... always changing)
 
Love the bottom one. Top one gives me the creeps... so dangerous. Looks like hundreds or thousands of pounds of ice spears directly above they guy... might be an illusion, but gives me the creeps.
(the shot off the deck is a few minutes ago... always changing)
I did not realize that you were actually on a cruise. How cool! (Oh, I heard it after I typed it.) I forgot that you lived in the mountains. How beautiful. (When you wrote deck, I imagined the deck off of a ship)
 
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What happens when someone feels uncomfortable about being told what white people did even though the teacher doesn't tell them they should be uncomfortable about it?
The bill does not forbid white people being uncomfortable, nor does it say a teacher must tell them that they should not feel guilt. It forbids a teacher telling white people they should feel inferior because they are white.
I've had some great teachers, and I've had some really bad teachers and most of my teachers were bang on average. I cannot imagine a teacher telling anyone that white students should feel inferior because they are white.

Note: I've hear teachers (really, the same teacher) say something very similar about girls/women being inferior to men or at least that they should behave as though they were inferior and opine in some depth about the importance of a woman to marry a man who is smarter than she is. I've had teachers say some things that were....racially insensitive in class. Actually, directly to me, about another child who was black, in first grade when I attended a school with a small minority of black students. I've had teachers discuss The Bell Curve and its implications about race, albeit very quietly. Certainly it was extremely common for girls to be told, very openly, that they were not well suited towards mathematics or science, or shop or mechanics or any stereotypically male field back when I was in school. Fun times.

I've never heard any teacher, at any level, every suggest that white people were in any way inferior to people of any races, nor have I heard of any teacher doing such a thing.

At least some legislation specifically forbids teaching of subject matter that might make white students feel bad about being white. I actually agree: No student should be made to feel bad about his or her race, ethnicity, religion, sex, gender, sexual orientation or any other characteristic that is inborn and not a choice. Any non-malignant teacher would not do this to any student.

The fact that there is a history in the US of some teachers being abusive to students because of their race, religion, gender, sex, ethnicity and sexual orientation, often with the blessing of the local school board and even state board of education and legislators. Of course, those being abused were not white and generally not male, so it was ok.

I do understand why some would fear that there might be a racial comeuppance if the actual facts of the US history of slavery, treatment of indigenous peoples, and the treatment of Asian Americans, Jews and other people considered 'not white' were openly discussed. Honestly, if one reads what some very famous, very revered men wrote about Africans, it would be very hard to continue to revere them or hold them in such high esteem as they generally enjoy.

But I've seen no evidence that there is any such intention or any likelihood that white students would be taught that they were inferior. Being taught that you are equal when society is built around the assumption that you are, in fact, superior, is not the same thing as being taught that you are inferior. Being explicitly taught what white people did to people who were not white is not the same thing as telling you that white people are or were bad. Any decent teacher would be able to teach facts, and also discuss what led to (some) people in the Americas believing so strongly that people whose ancestry was not European were justifiably treated as inferior and in some cases, sub-human.
 
What happens when someone feels uncomfortable about being told what white people did even though the teacher doesn't tell them they should be uncomfortable about it?
The bill does not forbid white people being uncomfortable, nor does it say a teacher must tell them that they should not feel guilt. It forbids a teacher telling white people they should feel inferior because they are white.
I've had some great teachers, and I've had some really bad teachers and most of my teachers were bang on average. I cannot imagine a teacher telling anyone that white students should feel inferior because they are white.

Note: I've hear teachers (really, the same teacher) say something very similar about girls/women being inferior to men or at least that they should behave as though they were inferior and opine in some depth about the importance of a woman to marry a man who is smarter than she is. I've had teachers say some things that were....racially insensitive in class. Actually, directly to me, about another child who was black, in first grade when I attended a school with a small minority of black students. I've had teachers discuss The Bell Curve and its implications about race, albeit very quietly. Certainly it was extremely common for girls to be told, very openly, that they were not well suited towards mathematics or science, or shop or mechanics or any stereotypically male field back when I was in school. Fun times.

I've never heard any teacher, at any level, every suggest that white people were in any way inferior to people of any races, nor have I heard of any teacher doing such a thing.

At least some legislation specifically forbids teaching of subject matter that might make white students feel bad about being white. I actually agree: No student should be made to feel bad about his or her race, ethnicity, religion, sex, gender, sexual orientation or any other characteristic that is inborn and not a choice. Any non-malignant teacher would not do this to any student.

The fact that there is a history in the US of some teachers being abusive to students because of their race, religion, gender, sex, ethnicity and sexual orientation, often with the blessing of the local school board and even state board of education and legislators. Of course, those being abused were not white and generally not male, so it was ok.

I do understand why some would fear that there might be a racial comeuppance if the actual facts of the US history of slavery, treatment of indigenous peoples, and the treatment of Asian Americans, Jews and other people considered 'not white' were openly discussed. Honestly, if one reads what some very famous, very revered men wrote about Africans, it would be very hard to continue to revere them or hold them in such high esteem as they generally enjoy.

But I've seen no evidence that there is any such intention or any likelihood that white students would be taught that they were inferior. Being taught that you are equal when society is built around the assumption that you are, in fact, superior, is not the same thing as being taught that you are inferior. Being explicitly taught what white people did to people who were not white is not the same thing as telling you that white people are or were bad. Any decent teacher would be able to teach facts, and also discuss what led to (some) people in the Americas believing so strongly that people whose ancestry was not European were justifiably treated as inferior and in some cases, sub-human.
You get the feeling that conservatives do not understand the difference between "being inferior" and "having unfair privilege", however. There's a reason these bills focus so much on feelings and emotions; it's easy to prove that someone did not say that Whites are an inferior race. It's much harder to prove that they didn't "make a child feel inferior for being White".
 
You get the feeling that conservatives do not understand the difference between "being inferior" and "having unfair privilege", however. There's a reason these bills focus so much on feelings and emotions; it's easy to prove that someone did not say that Whites are an inferior race. It's much harder to prove that they didn't "make a child feel inferior for being White".
I know the difference between someone telling me that 'some white people in America owned slaves' and 'you should feel guilty about the actions of white people because you are white'.
 
I've never heard any teacher, at any level, every suggest that white people were in any way inferior to people of any races, nor have I heard of any teacher doing such a thing.
They exist and they're on TikTok.
At least some legislation specifically forbids teaching of subject matter that might make white students feel bad about being white.
What legislation are you talking about?
 
What happens when someone feels uncomfortable about being told what white people did even though the teacher doesn't tell them they should be uncomfortable about it?
The bill does not forbid white people being uncomfortable, nor does it say a teacher must tell them that they should not feel guilt. It forbids a teacher telling white people they should feel inferior because they are white.
I've had some great teachers, and I've had some really bad teachers and most of my teachers were bang on average. I cannot imagine a teacher telling anyone that white students should feel inferior because they are white.

Note: I've hear teachers (really, the same teacher) say something very similar about girls/women being inferior to men or at least that they should behave as though they were inferior and opine in some depth about the importance of a woman to marry a man who is smarter than she is. I've had teachers say some things that were....racially insensitive in class. Actually, directly to me, about another child who was black, in first grade when I attended a school with a small minority of black students. I've had teachers discuss The Bell Curve and its implications about race, albeit very quietly. Certainly it was extremely common for girls to be told, very openly, that they were not well suited towards mathematics or science, or shop or mechanics or any stereotypically male field back when I was in school. Fun times.

I've never heard any teacher, at any level, every suggest that white people were in any way inferior to people of any races, nor have I heard of any teacher doing such a thing.

At least some legislation specifically forbids teaching of subject matter that might make white students feel bad about being white. I actually agree: No student should be made to feel bad about his or her race, ethnicity, religion, sex, gender, sexual orientation or any other characteristic that is inborn and not a choice. Any non-malignant teacher would not do this to any student.

The fact that there is a history in the US of some teachers being abusive to students because of their race, religion, gender, sex, ethnicity and sexual orientation, often with the blessing of the local school board and even state board of education and legislators. Of course, those being abused were not white and generally not male, so it was ok.

I do understand why some would fear that there might be a racial comeuppance if the actual facts of the US history of slavery, treatment of indigenous peoples, and the treatment of Asian Americans, Jews and other people considered 'not white' were openly discussed. Honestly, if one reads what some very famous, very revered men wrote about Africans, it would be very hard to continue to revere them or hold them in such high esteem as they generally enjoy.

But I've seen no evidence that there is any such intention or any likelihood that white students would be taught that they were inferior. Being taught that you are equal when society is built around the assumption that you are, in fact, superior, is not the same thing as being taught that you are inferior. Being explicitly taught what white people did to people who were not white is not the same thing as telling you that white people are or were bad. Any decent teacher would be able to teach facts, and also discuss what led to (some) people in the Americas believing so strongly that people whose ancestry was not European were justifiably treated as inferior and in some cases, sub-human.
You get the feeling that conservatives do not understand the difference between "being inferior" and "having unfair privilege", however. There's a reason these bills focus so much on feelings and emotions; it's easy to prove that someone did not say that Whites are an inferior race. It's much harder to prove that they didn't "make a child feel inferior for being White".
Oh, I think they DO understand the difference—and very much want to preserve the status quo, which just happens to give them some unfair advantage. I’m sure they disagree that their advantages are unfair or undeserved.
 
I've never heard any teacher, at any level, every suggest that white people were in any way inferior to people of any races, nor have I heard of any teacher doing such a thing.
They exist and they're on TikTok.
At least some legislation specifically forbids teaching of subject matter that might make white students feel bad about being white.
What legislation are you talking about?
Why do you believe that anyone on TikTok is who they claim to be? I mean, I could go on Tok Tok and claim to have all sorts of credentials I don’t have and could even sound credible if I stuck to something I know something about.

Here’s a link that describes legislation in Florida that forbids tracing anything that makes white students feel discomfort:


For reference, The Hill is generally considered to be a politically center news source. I personally find it a little right if center but that’s probably because I tend to be a little left of center.

 
Yes it does. It explicitly does, by saying anything that is deemed offensive or shameful is out of bounds. They don't create limits, they created a dubious and undefined standard that isn't black and white and can be easily used to take a school to court... something schools don't have money to do... to determine if whatever was taught was out of bounds. It is a form of legalized judicial harassment.

Yup, this is the real issue. It's about going just far enough that it can be used to create trouble for those who aren't actually doing wrong.

What happens when someone feels uncomfortable about being told what white people did even though the teacher doesn't tell them they should be uncomfortable about it?
People should feel uncomfortable about what happened. They just shouldn't be forced to feel guilty for the acts by others, and almost no teacher in the country has done that. Slavery, Trail of Tears, nuclear experiments on humans, our country has done some shady stuff, and we need to learn from that. The South (and Southern wannabes) just have this issue with truth, especially when it isn't convenient for them.

Though part of me wonders how much this has to even do with what is taught in school and rather how much this is about wedging people against each other.
 
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