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    Demystifying Determinism

    It's not a denial. The issue here is choice or 'choosing' in relation to determinism. The problem is that choice is defined as the ability to take any one of a number of options at any given moment, while determinism on the other hand does not permit alternate actions at any given moment. The...
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    Demystifying Determinism

    That's you Sweetie. It's called desperation. I have just pointed out your contradiction using quotes of what you have said. Here it is again. "I may not know which dinner I want. It may take some mental exercise to figure it out, put together some choices, and actually choose." - Jarhyn...
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    Demystifying Determinism

    It's baffling to you because it doesn't suit your needs. Otherwise it's quite simple: words being symbols used for the purpose of communication, using words doesn't mean the object that is being referred to necessarily exists. Anyone should be able to understand this. For Heavens sake...
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    Did Paul create Jesus?

    Yet here we are. ;)
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    Did Paul create Jesus?

    Clement, et al, had no apparent reason to make up a 'Paul' to justify a Jesus fabrication. How far can this web of conspiracy go, that Clement and the rest were also fabrications? That whoever fabricated Jesus, Paul, Clement, Ignatius, Eusebius, et al, is someone elses fabrication? Where...
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    Did Paul create Jesus?

    How far do we go with the argument for mythology...that was not Clement who wrote about Paul, that there was no Ignatius or the others that wrote about Paul? It becomes improbable that it's an elaborate web of deceit. It appears more likely that there was a charasmatic Rabbi/preacher...
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    Did Paul create Jesus?

    Aren't there several independent references to Paul and his mission? Clement, Ignatius, Eusebius, etc....?
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    Demystifying Determinism

    Once again, your own definition of determinism does not permit alternate actions, and without the possibility of alternate actions, there is no 'choosing' because 'choosing' by definition requires the possibility of alternate actions. Given that the system just evolves without deviation, all...
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    Demystifying Determinism

    Screech? I remind you of the terms of your own definition of determinism. To no evail because you still bang on about "put together some choices and actually choose" regardless of this assertion contradicting your own terms of reference. That you are yet to grasp the nature of choice or the...
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    Demystifying Determinism

    You imply it in your wording when you say: "one must dream of deviations for us to make choice of these dreams as to which to realize" - you must realize that 'dreaming of deviations' does not make the outcome a choice because, as you say, the dreaming of deviations is itself fixed by the...
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    Demystifying Determinism

    It's not my determinism. It is determinism. There is no mention of 'choosing' in determinism except when it slipped in by compatibilists seeking to support their contention of free will.....which is not actually based on choosing between options because there are no alternate actions within...
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    Demystifying Determinism

    You have invoked deviations and alternate actions on many occasions, just quickly: "There is, after all, a real world we return to when we wake from our simulations inside ourselves. Even these dreams are in their own way real, real enforced relationships between data whose manipulation acts...
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    Demystifying Determinism

    It is relevant to your rationale; 'that's how people use words and terms.' Don't you think that was the point? Not again. Are you even reading what I say? Do I have to chant "Libertarian free will, Compatibilist free will, common usage/making choices, etc." over and over? Just to get a...
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    Demystifying Determinism

    So what part of 'compatibilism does not relate to either random or probabilistic events' do you find hard to understand? There is nothing further that I need to explain. Incompatibilism - the reasons why free will is incompatible with determinism and why the compatibilist definition fails...
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    The Death Penalty

    Justifiable self defence is one thing, executing someone who is in custody and poses no further risk to the community is another thing altogether.
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    Demystifying Determinism

    The determinism I am using is precisely the same determinism that you use, minus the inclusion of `choosing,` because all actions are fixed by prior states of the system, with no deviations - just as you defined - therefore events within the system, including the brain activity that fixes the...
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    Demystifying Determinism

    Poor Jarhyn, you missed the point entirely and now you are running naked through the briars and brambles of complete irrelevancy. Get back on track, the issue is whether the notion of free will is compatible with determinism, just as you define it to be, no randomness....which means the system...
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    Demystifying Determinism

    Give it a break. We have been through this countless times. Stop acting like every post is the first time. it`s more than a little ridiculous. For heaven`s sake, the topic of these theads happens to be the compatibilist definition of free will, where compatibilists argue for the...
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    The Death Penalty

    It may be satisfying for some, but shouldn't a progressive society seek a higher standard of morality than using execution as a solution?
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    Did Paul create Jesus?

    Yeah, that could be a problem, especially when I didn't mean actual miracles.
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