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  1. excreationist

    Did Paul create Jesus?

    Ok it could be classed as a mass hallucination - it seems similar to UFO activity. https://psychology.fandom.com/wiki/Mass_hallucination Do you have any real world example of a person being invented then very soon after 500+ people saying they saw them? Carrier is saying some people thought...
  2. excreationist

    Did Paul create Jesus?

    Well apparently Richard Carrier used to be the editor-in-chief of Internet Infidels.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Infidels#Mission
  3. excreationist

    Did Paul create Jesus?

    My main issue is that Carrier says that the sighting of Jesus by the 500+ could work in the same way as a "miracle of the sun"... it is weird that 500+ would think it is Jesus when you're saying that Paul was the one who invented Jesus? Thinking that a human figure is Jesus makes more sense...
  4. excreationist

    Did Paul create Jesus?

    I wouldn't call phenomena of the sun that 70,000 are seeing an hallucination. Also information about that event talks about the sun while the 500+ verse doesn't - it just says it is Jesus. On the other hand I have an example of 6000 believing they saw Jesus himself - not the sun. Because it's a...
  5. excreationist

    Did Paul create Jesus?

    I'm not sure whether James existed but I think according to legends he was Jesus' brother - not sure what option that is.... I don't think I can make an educated statement about that.
  6. excreationist

    Did Paul create Jesus?

    https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/14255 @Unknown Soldier I just wanted to clarify what you thought about Richard Carrier's claim that the "more than 500" involved a mass hallucination. Do you think what really happened is that Paul completely made that event up? If you think Richard...
  7. excreationist

    Did Paul create Jesus?

    I thought they'd include some of the strongest arguments against mythicism and perhaps you weren't aware of them. Well if you're not swayed by Bart Ehrman in those debates then it would be impossible for me to convince you since I'm not as knowledgable as Ehrman. Thanks I've looked at it a bit...
  8. excreationist

    Did Paul create Jesus?

    Check out these debates between the atheist who believes that Jesus was partly historical, Bart Ehrman, and the mythicists Robert Price and Richard Carrier....
  9. excreationist

    Did Paul create Jesus?

    About whether Paul wrote the letters that claim were written by him: The atheist and anti-mythicist Bart Ehrman wrote "Forged: Writing in the Name of God – Why the Bible's Authors Are Not Who We Think They Are" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forged_(book) This is also mentioned here...
  10. excreationist

    Books that dramatically changed the way you think

    In primary school I sometimes went on long trips with my family. I read that book on a trip and it was quite a long book. I found it to be very interesting and liked how a regular kid visited a fantasy world - I liked to daydream about things like that. In primary school I also saw a bit of the...
  11. excreationist

    Did Paul create Jesus?

    You seem to be considering the Christ myth theory. The two main proponents are Robert Price and Richard Carrier. In post #19 I had videos of the atheist Bart Ehrman debating both of those people. So that's a chance for you to see some of the best arguments on both sides - and see if you still...
  12. excreationist

    Did Paul create Jesus?

    Maybe mythicists like Richard Carrier would say that Jesus was a mythical dying and rising god that some believers hallucinated (including Paul himself).
  13. excreationist

    Did Paul create Jesus?

    There's Bart Ehrman who is apparently an atheist.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bart_D._Ehrman Here he debates the mythicist Robert Price: And here he debates Richard Carrier:
  14. excreationist

    Did Paul create Jesus?

    He believes in a celestial Jesus that people originally saw in visions. I'm talking about a poor case of authority. I'm saying only two notable living proponents is disappointing compared to how many people including atheists don't think Jesus was a complete myth. What about the case of the...
  15. excreationist

    Did Paul create Jesus?

    I'm saying that Christ myth theory doesn't make a good case. I have already shared the opinions I wanted to share (see my first post). I'm not interested in trying to argue why Christ myth theory has problems. The Wikipedia article also mentions many of the flaws with the theory...
  16. excreationist

    Did Paul create Jesus?

    I'm saying that those two people aren't particularly authoritative. I mean Wikipedia is saying there are TWO notable living proponents (though there are over a dozen early and later proponents). I mean even YEC has way more notable supporters... (maybe some poor reasoning there but my point is...
  17. excreationist

    Did Paul create Jesus?

    Well the main two people who promote the kind of celestial Jesus you're talking about are Robert M. Price and Richard Carrier and it seems you don't think Richard Carrier has good arguments regarding key writings of Paul and the 500. BTW in verse 8 Paul says that Jesus appeared to him.... most...
  18. excreationist

    Did Paul create Jesus?

    So you're saying that Jesus was not based on a real person? What is he based on? Some kind of dying and rising god? The 1 Corinthians 15 passage seems to say Jesus was either a real person or he was a hallucination.... and it involves Paul being the first to talk about that.
  19. excreationist

    Did Paul create Jesus?

    Even though Richard Carrier thinks Jesus was a myth he seems to think the 500 seems to be a real event... Also the idea that Jesus is just a myth might be simpler too but the Wikipedia article says that theory has two notable living proponents... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ_myth_theory
  20. excreationist

    Did Paul create Jesus?

    About a "mass hallucination" - this seems to be claimed by the atheist Richard Carrier: https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/14255 On the topic of a celestial Jesus: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ_myth_theory This says the living proponents are Robert M. Price and Richard...
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