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Great. Then you need not ask me to believe you.

I've heard of that episode. It was protested by some disability rights groups for portraying people with spinal-cord injury as better off dead. I personally feel very insulted by the theme because it hits very close to home. It's like a slap in the face. For once I wish that a major motion...

You're dodging my questions so until you answer them, I won't answer your questions. Besides, your question is irrelevant to what I posted. No, I said I don't know why I need to be able to tell if a person is suicidal. I don't know why you're confused by what I posted, but the important thing...

Yes. But we don't know who those people are until we try to help them. The one right answer is to try to help people so we know who can be helped. It's simple common sense. Why keep chanting "we can't help some people"? Is that a call to withdraw support from those we assume are hopeless? I...

Well, how smart can it be to start a thread to curse out somebody who's never going to read it?

I've heard that many of the "nones" aren't necessarily atheists but like you they just don't belong to any religious group.

Overall, though, the nonreligious are still outnumbered by the religious two-to-one. There's a lot of catching up for the nonreligious to do.

Right. We don't really know what people can be helped significantly. To find out we need to try to help them. I know that my friend Pat was dying from cancer. She was in pain but told me the medication she was prescribed (I think it was morphine) was controlling that pain. I spent time with her...

Correct. It's not paranoia to fear and oppose a real threat to the lives of the innocent. That includes the disabled too. They've started groups like Not Dead Yet to oppose this death threat. There's no paranoia with them I've been gaslighted many times when I've spoken out about people...

Yes--let's live in the world we live in using what means we have to reduce suffering or even eliminate pain if we can. I've proved that we can do it. Tragically, people often give up on doing so believing that we should just rid the world of its troubles by ridding the world of troubled people...

What's so strange about this board is that many people here seem to think I have some power to force them to live. I have no such power. If you're bent on suicide, then I won't and can't stop you. But I've noticed that you're still alive. (Brilliant deduction, eh?) So there must be something...

I should have mentioned in the thread against capital punishment that people have built all kinds of means to "ease out gently" those who are to be put to death. That includes the guillotine, the electric chair, the gas chamber, and lethal injection. So far there's been little luck doing so...

I wonder what difference that would make. So far I've seen that evidence that does not support beliefs is just discarded here.

I'm already hurting, and I don't want the death you insist I can demand. One of the reasons I say no is because very obviously I know better than to trust people who think I--and they--would be better off if I was dead. People who want me to live and live well are the truly compassionate people...

Yes, but fallacy or no fallacy, it's all they can argue. People act like that when they know they have no case for their position.

Actually, the only retired physician I know is my brother. He has told me of a man in terrible pain who committed suicide to escape it. My brother explained that the man had been taking medication that effectively controlled the pain, but the medical bureaucracy no longer allowed his physician...

They've done that to me too. Whenever I score big, they start calling me a Christian.

You got it in post 13. It's time to concede that Lion's claim is proved true.

Abuse of the disabled and elderly is rampant in our society, and as you imply here (and the attached article documents) money is very often a motive for it. Is anybody dumb enough to think that the benefits of "death with dignity" has nothing to do with the death of the dying and the dignity of...