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IMO, the choke hold bit has been the focus because the word came out that it was illegal for the N.Y police force to use it. And by the way, nowhere did I advocate a conviction. Since that was a Grand Jury deliberation with a return of non indictment, we are not even remotely close to speaking...

From what I could gather from the video footage, he was approached on mere suspicion that he was selling untaxed cigarettes, "black market" type. It appears one police officer attempted to obtain evidence from him. At that point, Garner exclaimed "don't touch me". What deeply troubles me here...

And again the reality being: Surely, you are not trying to build a case that Eric Garner would have suffered of compressive asphyxia (compressions to the chest) by just standing on a sidewalk which is where he was at the time he was approached by the police officers. Surely, not trying to...

I will arm myself with patience in going over it one more time but for the last time : It was a combination of two factors, both impairing the vital function known as respiration. The initial factor being an air choke hold interrupting the inflow of air as it placed pressure on the trachea also...

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/eric-garner-death-ruled-homicide-medical-examiner-article-1.1888808 The statement above and attributed to the medical examiner has been consistently quoted in several articles. I am surprised it escaped your attention. Now, do you need links...

Non, Loren it was not. Stop trotting such gross misinformation. The proper expansion of his thorax was prevented as his torso was in direct contact with the ground with full weight being pushed down and quite forcefully by several officers. It caused what is commonly known as compressive...

I am not sure how compressive asphyxia (the pressure on his thorax in full contact and weight on the ground while other officers were pushing down on his torso ) is supposed to affect his larynx. Once the choke hold (appears to have been an air choke rather than blood choke) is released, there...

You are wrong. Considering how many times the cause of death has been confirmed : compression of both trachea and chest. His death was caused by an actual choke-hold which placed constant pressure on his trachea and weight pressure on his thorax as he was brought down to the ground on his chest...

What is interesting to me here is the level of unrealistic expectations placed on a man who was hit by several bullets and that somehow he would not be experiencing physiological changes affecting his vitals. Focus being on BP. If a brief hypertension episode due to the pain experiencing at the...

Max, if my questions make you uncomfortable, you are in no way obligated to address them. I am just attempting to understand which was the initial source or which were the triggers in your youth (that is when the blue prints of the adults we are today are set) leading you to your current...

Exactly. The "it is us against them" remains the predominant issue. And yes, too many of those LEOs have not worked hard enough to build a bridge with the local minority populations. A cop whose uniform symbolizes a "Big Brother" participation, helping the local youth stay out of trouble by...

I tend to agree with you George regarding the influence exercised by tribalism. As you already know I am a strong multi culturalist because it has facilitated my being able to build bridges with groups outside of my own and reach the point of being a learner in the midst of other groups while...

To the question "why did he not leave" or another being why did he not react by either a physical or verbal expression of non consent? IMO, there is no way he could have anticipated that his art exhibit/social experiment bit would result in a stranger female giving a him BJ. Meaning he was in a...

"if what Tiffany Mitchell reported last night...." Do you understand what the meaning of "if" implies at the beginning of a sentence? Followed by the use of the conditional form of the verbs "to stop" and "to put", "would have stopped following Wilson firing at him and put his hands up". Explain...

I would not call 57% a failure. That's only 3% short of the required 60% for the amendment to have passed and become "printed" in the Florida Constitution. Not the case in Florida. The under performance of Democrat voters (meaning too many not voting) is what caused the 3% short. However, I...

How does this sidebar discussion polarizing on "white men" applies to the SPECIFIC case from the Op which does not involve a "white man", but a white female whose sentencing was influenced by her status as caregiver to 6 minor children who would have had to be placed in separate foster homes for...

Thank you so much Arctish for being sensitive to avoiding a derail.:) But going back to : The above IMO is a misunderstanding of Athena's intent. I have seen her intent (and for a long time now) as an endeavor to bring about awareness. Not awareness so that "white men wake up everyday, stare...

I never claimed it was the case here. I was pointing to the difference in general between illegitimate power ( as you and Hylidae were commenting on illegitimate power) and institutionalized illegitimate power. I stand by what I actually stated : Do you disagree with what I stated that the...

IMO the issue is when illegitimate power is institutionalized. When there is a system who supports it and benefits of immunity. Those who are subjected to such institution have no choice but rebel against it. Throughout the history of mankind, such systems grant themselves immunity from...

NS' point was not that it was "illegal". His point was about Officer Wilson stating "there was no other alternative" during his interview. The reality is that there was an alternative and one he chose to not rely on. He made a choice. The choice led to the death of an individual who could have...