2 NYPD Officers Dead In Brooklyn Shooting

[Davka]

Mental health issues + easy access to guns = "it's those fucking protesters! Why do they hate 'Murka?"

 

[ksen]

I'm a little conflicted. I think I should be sadder than I am that these two officers were killed. But given that they kill over a thousand of us a year plus dole out many times that of unearned beatings I can't help but think, "Well, what did you expect would happen if you keep treating us like an occupied population?"

 

[Horatio Parker]

I'm a little conflicted. I think I should be sadder than I am that these two officers were killed. But given that they kill over a thousand of us a year plus dole out many times that of unearned beatings I can't help but think, "Well, what did you expect would happen if you keep treating us like an occupied population?"

Remember Ruby Ridge! Remember Waco!

 

[ronburgundy]

Mental health issues + easy access to guns = "it's those fucking protesters! Why do they hate 'Murka?"

No, protesters painting cops as evil murderous racists + a shooter who references those ideas as his motive = cops were targeted due to inflammatory rhetoric and propaganda by protesters.

Mental health + gun access = suicide and killing of those around/close to him. IT does nothing to explain why he made and executed a clear plan to hunt down and murder cops.

 

[Trausti]

I'm a little conflicted. I think I should be sadder than I am that these two officers were killed. But given that they kill over a thousand of us a year plus dole out many times that of unearned beatings I can't help but think, "Well, what did you expect would happen if you keep treating us like an occupied population?"

Damn right.

 

[ronburgundy]

I'm a little conflicted. I think I should be sadder than I am that these two officers were killed. But given that they kill over a thousand of us a year plus dole out many times that of unearned beatings I can't help but think, "Well, what did you expect would happen if you keep treating us like an occupied population?"

You'd have been the victim of far more crimes without cops and they have done far far more to make you safer than to harm you. Also, do not include the "over a thousand" people they shoot per year among "us". Most of those people were violent criminals that would have robbed, raped, or killed that actual "us", if the cops hadn't killed them.

 

[ksen]

I'm a little conflicted. I think I should be sadder than I am that these two officers were killed. But given that they kill over a thousand of us a year plus dole out many times that of unearned beatings I can't help but think, "Well, what did you expect would happen if you keep treating us like an occupied population?"

You'd have been the victim of far more crimes without cops and they have done far far more to make you safer than to harm you.

Assertion without evidence.

Also, do not include the "over a thousand" people they shoot per year among "us". Most of those people were violent criminals that would have robbed, raped, or killed that actual "us", if the cops hadn't killed them.

Assertion without evidence.

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I'm a little conflicted. I think I should be sadder than I am that these two officers were killed. But given that they kill over a thousand of us a year plus dole out many times that of unearned beatings I can't help but think, "Well, what did you expect would happen if you keep treating us like an occupied population?"

Damn right.

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I don't deny that his family is devastated.

We could post battling FB posts from officer family members and family members that have been devastated by officers. I'm not sure what that would accomplish.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

I'm a little conflicted. I think I should be sadder than I am that these two officers were killed. But given that they kill over a thousand of us a year plus dole out many times that of unearned beatings I can't help but think, "Well, what did you expect would happen if you keep treating us like an occupied population?"

You'd have been the victim of far more crimes without cops and they have done far far more to make you safer than to harm you. Also, do not include the "over a thousand" people they shoot per year among "us". Most of those people were violent criminals that would have robbed, raped, or killed that actual "us", if the cops hadn't killed them.

You of course have these cases and can back up that the thousands of people were in fact violent criminals?

 

[Davka]

Mental health issues + easy access to guns = "it's those fucking protesters! Why do they hate 'Murka?"

No, protesters painting cops as evil murderous racists + a shooter who references those ideas as his motive = cops were targeted due to inflammatory rhetoric and propaganda by protesters.

Mental health + gun access = suicide and killing of those around/close to him. IT does nothing to explain why he made and executed a clear plan to hunt down and murder cops.

You are, of course, completely full of shit and have no actual experience with uniformed jackbooted thugs hiding behind their badges. It's pretty easy for someone who has never had anything but cordial relationships with cops to dismiss the stories about "walking while black" as nonsense. Ignorance is so much easier, especially when it comes to self-righteous parroting of Faux Gnus idiocy.

 

[Trausti]

No, protesters painting cops as evil murderous racists + a shooter who references those ideas as his motive = cops were targeted due to inflammatory rhetoric and propaganda by protesters.

You might be on to something.

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj4ARsxrZh8[/YOUTUBE]

 

[ksen]

I think I'd find it easier if prosecutors actually tried to convict bad cops instead of just letting them blend in with the good ones.

 

[ronburgundy]

No, protesters painting cops as evil murderous racists + a shooter who references those ideas as his motive = cops were targeted due to inflammatory rhetoric and propaganda by protesters.

Mental health + gun access = suicide and killing of those around/close to him. IT does nothing to explain why he made and executed a clear plan to hunt down and murder cops.

You are, of course, completely full of shit and have no actual experience with uniformed jackbooted thugs hiding behind their badges.
It's pretty easy for someone who has never had anything but cordial relationships with cops to dismiss the stories about "walking while black" as nonsense. Ignorance is so much easier, especially when it comes to self-righteous parroting of Faux Gnus idiocy.

First, this has zero logical relevance to the fact that the recent hysterical and violent protests have been a form of propaganda elevating notions that most cops are violent racist ready to murder any black person for no reason, and that the facts of this case show beyond and doubt that this propaganda was a causal factor in this killer targeting cops.

Second, you do not know shit about my personal relationship to cops. I have had multiple run-ins with the law and witnessed police incompetence and over-stepping of authority. I am just not stupid enough to form beliefs about cops generally from non-random biased and tiny samples of police behavior and misrepresented and wrongly interpreted statistics. I take into account objective facts about the highly violent persons that cops are paid to have to interact with on a daily basis, the extreme prevalance of illegal weapons they encounter, and the impact these experiences would have on any decent and rational person. I am not dumb enough to watch a bunch of youtube video of trees falling in the forest and conclude that all trees are weak and about to fall.

 

[Toni]

Mental health issues + easy access to guns = "it's those fucking protesters! Why do they hate 'Murka?"

No, protesters painting cops as evil murderous racists + a shooter who references those ideas as his motive = cops were targeted due to inflammatory rhetoric and propaganda by protesters.

Mental health + gun access = suicide and killing of those around/close to him. IT does nothing to explain why he made and executed a clear plan to hunt down and murder cops.

No, crazy doesn't need a reason. But if this particular crazy needed a reason, I would look more into his criminal past and previous dealings with police officers.

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You are, of course, completely full of shit and have no actual experience with uniformed jackbooted thugs hiding behind their badges.
It's pretty easy for someone who has never had anything but cordial relationships with cops to dismiss the stories about "walking while black" as nonsense. Ignorance is so much easier, especially when it comes to self-righteous parroting of Faux Gnus idiocy.

First, this has zero logical relevance to the fact that the recent hysterical and violent protests have been a form of propaganda elevating notions that most cops are violent racist ready to murder any black person for no reason, and that the facts of this case show beyond and doubt that this propaganda was a causal factor in this killer targeting cops.

Yeah, you're wrong about this, too.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Man, even crazy and vindicative people post on Instagram and Twitter. Yet, here I am, not doing either.

Now what I don't understand is why blacks complaining about blacks being killed by cops and not even being punished for not following protocol is somehow related to a guy shooting his ex-girlfriend and then heading up north to kill a couple random officers. A call for accountability isn't the same as a call for random violence.

 

[laughing dog]

First, this has zero logical relevance to the fact that the recent hysterical and violent protests have been a form of propaganda elevating notions that most cops are violent racist ready to murder any black person for no reason, and that the facts of this case show beyond and doubt that this propaganda was a causal factor in this killer targeting cops.

You keep repeating this unsubstantiated mantra that "this propaganda" was a causal factor in the killer targeting cops. We don't know that this alleged propaganda motivated this killer, unless you are somehow conflating news reports with "propaganda".

 

[ronburgundy]

You'd have been the victim of far more crimes without cops and they have done far far more to make you safer than to harm you. Also, do not include the "over a thousand" people they shoot per year among "us". Most of those people were violent criminals that would have robbed, raped, or killed that actual "us", if the cops hadn't killed them.

You of course have these cases and can back up that the thousands of people were in fact violent criminals?

You of course have evidence that all of these cases were criminal acts by the cops shooting people who were innocent and unarmed?

Cops are paid to go to places where criminal activity is reported and to confront the people involved, and thus they spend a majority of their time in areas with established high rates of violent crime and illegal gun possession. There is more than enough violent crime and illegally armed persons on the streets for them to deal with. They do not need to go around just inventing situations to use force. About 75% of those they arrest are convicted by juries of crimes based upon the evidence, and [URL="http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/pnoesp.pdf"]80% had already been convicted of a crime when cops went to arrest them for their current suspected crime[/URL]. Contrary to myth, most of the people they put in jails and prison are there for violent crimes, not just hanging out and smoking dope.
Mistakes and excessive force against the innocent will and does occur, but it is absurdly irrational to think that most of the people that cops wind up in a violent confrontation with are innocent, unarmed persons posing no threat to anyone. Also, every time a cop shoots someone, it is investigated, and rarely is there evidence of criminality by the cop, and even cases touted by protestors as unjust usually have strong evidence of criminality and violent threat by the person shot. That is why there are so few indictments of cops, even when grand juries are involved. You want to dismiss that evidence by claiming the investigations are biased but you have no evidence of that claim.

In addition, the racial differences in who the cops shoot and kill is in fact evidence that they are responding to violent criminality. The rates show that cops are not shooting people randomly or in accord with simple racist theories, which predict whites would be the least shot. Look at this 2011 data for NYC. Whites are shot at by cops more than Asians are, and although Blacks and Hispanics are shot are more, that matches each groups relative rates of being arrested for carrying a firearm, a suspect in a prior shooting crime, or actually shooting at the police. If anything, white people are shot by cops more than they should be and blacks less than they should be, given their relative rates of firearm related crime, including actually shooting at the cops.

 

[ronburgundy]

First, this has zero logical relevance to the fact that the recent hysterical and violent protests have been a form of propaganda elevating notions that most cops are violent racist ready to murder any black person for no reason, and that the facts of this case show beyond and doubt that this propaganda was a causal factor in this killer targeting cops.

You keep repeating this unsubstantiated mantra that "this propaganda" was a causal factor in the killer targeting cops. We don't know that this alleged propaganda motivated this killer, unless you are somehow conflating news reports with "propaganda".

We know the killer targeted 2 cops explicitly for stated reasons that closely mirror the irrational rhetoric of the protests, which we know we're designed to and did in fact stir up hatred and violent actions in many people (as with the hateful, threatening words, and violent actions of many of the protestors). We know that all relevant psychological science predicts that such rhetoric would increase the willingness of many people to engage in violence against the cops, and would incite any already unstable person prone toward violence to be more likely to target cops. The timing by which such rare assassination style killings of cops occurred during the height of relatively unprecedented levels of anti-cop rhetoric is further evidence that they are directly related. IOW, we know these killings were made more likely by the protests and surrounding propaganda of the sort you have put forth, just as much as we know that lynchings of black persons were made more likely by the rhetoric of the KKK and white supremacists. IOW, there is far more evidence of this impact than there is of the impact of racism by the cops in most of the incidents the protesters or you are claiming racism for.

 

[laughing dog]

You keep repeating this unsubstantiated mantra that "this propaganda" was a causal factor in the killer targeting cops. We don't know that this alleged propaganda motivated this killer, unless you are somehow conflating news reports with "propaganda".

We know the killer targeted 2 cops explicitly for stated reasons that closely mirror the irrational rhetoric of the protests, which we know we're designed to and did in fact stir up hatred and violent actions in many people (as with the hateful, threatening words, and violent actions of many of the protestors).

I believe you are using the royal "we" there. For all "we know", it could have been the news report of those incidents plus his pre-existing mental state.

We know that all relevant psychological science predicts that such rhetoric would increase the willingness of many people to engage in violence against the cops, and would incite any already unstable person prone toward violence to be more likely to target cops. The timing by which such rare assassination style killings of cops occurred during the height of relatively unprecedented levels of anti-cop rhetoric is further evidence that they are directly related.

I think you need to learn the difference between causation and correlation.

IOW, we know these killings were made more likely by the protests and surrounding propaganda of the sort you have put forth, just as much as we know that lynchings of black persons were made more likely by the rhetoric of the KKK and white supremacists.

What propaganda have I allegedly put forth?

IOW, there is far more evidence of this impact than there is of the impact of racism by the cops in most of the incidents the protesters or you are claiming racism for.

Not if one pulls one head out of one's ass.

 

[ronburgundy]

Man, even crazy and vindicative people post on Instagram and Twitter. Yet, here I am, not doing either.

Now what I don't understand is why blacks complaining about blacks being killed by cops and not even being punished for not following protocol is somehow related to a guy shooting his ex-girlfriend and then heading up north to kill a couple random officers. A call for accountability isn't the same as a call for random violence.

A mere calling for accountability for errors and mistakes in protocol couldn't be a more absurdly inaccurate whitewash of the protests or the claims made on this board. An accurate summary would be baseless claims that these killings by cops are murderous acts based only in racism rather than real threats. That is what has been directly stated or inherently implied by the claims and arguments of the protesters, whether or not they have the intellectual honesty to acknowledge the logical assumptions underlying their rhetoric.

 

[AthenaAwakened]