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Upon solicitation, Lightweight Indiana Senator turn VP tells Featherweight Indiana Senator turn VP
Wait, 'upon solicitation?' Pence ASKED Quayle for help?

So, i can see being in the Trump White House and needing guidance on a difficult moral question (though, really, the difficulty here is whether or not to BE moral).
And clearly, as a Republican, you can't turn to a Democrat for that guidance.
And also clearly, you need someone not in Trump's pocket if the moral question concerns Trump.
So no Democrats on the list, and no Republicans in any hope of election prospects in the near future...
But, but, but... Quayle? Jesus. how far down the list was he? Were there no crossing guards available? The janitorial staff was gone for the night? Did his Magic 8 Ball lead him astray? "answer unclear, seek a laughingstock from 27 years ago."
 

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Upon solicitation, Lightweight Indiana Senator turn VP tells Featherweight Indiana Senator turn VP
Wait, 'upon solicitation?' Pence ASKED Quayle for help?

So, i can see being in the Trump White House and needing guidance on a difficult moral question (though, really, the difficulty here is whether or not to BE moral).
And clearly, as a Republican, you can't turn to a Democrat for that guidance.
And also clearly, you need someone not in Trump's pocket if the moral question concerns Trump.
So no Democrats on the list, and no Republicans in any hope of election prospects in the near future...
But, but, but... Quayle? Jesus. how far down the list was he? Were there no crossing guards available? The janitorial staff was gone for the night? Did his Magic 8 Ball lead him astray? "answer unclear, seek a laughingstock from 27 years ago."
My thoughts are Quayle was from Indiana as well, so there might be a connection there between Pence and Quayle outside of politics.

But the humor does write itself.
 

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Seems to me Pence was looking for a former Republican Vice President who had to perform the same duty. Dick Chaney was VP under "W" but "W" had his second term and the Chaney family are not so keen on Trump.

So next down the list is Quayle who was VP under H.W. Bush. H.W. lost his bid for second term so Quayle had to have performed the same duty that Pence needed to do.
 

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"Quayle comes to the rescue"

Yes, we are living in bizzarro world.
Upon solicitation, Lightweight Indiana Senator turn VP tells Featherweight Indiana Senator turn VP to GTFO of the White House. That Pence was even considering it, the GOP needs to just disappear into the woods and get themselves some enlightenment.

Just to be clear, as a Hoosier, Mike Pence was never a Senator from anywhere.

He was an unpopular governor, kinda the bottom of the barrel of TeaPartiers, when Trump chose him as VP. His main credential was major Christian, which Trump really needed in 2016(given his lifestyle), but Pence didn't have much else to offer.
But, Pence had little to lose either. His disastrous efforts to both impose marriage inequality and backpedaling when that became politically inexpedient left him unpopular with everyone from the liberal community to the religious right.

He never was anything like a Senator.
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That Pence was even considering it...

Considering it? He was 100% devoted to the nullification of an election he and his puppetmaster had lost in a landslide, an pursued every option, viable or not, before being forced to give it up.
If there was any way on (his) God's green earth he could have done it and not ended up in jail or dead at the hands of a centrist mob, he would have done it.
 

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That Pence was even considering it...

Considering it? He was 100% devoted to the nullification of an election he and his puppetmaster had lost in a landslide, an pursued every option, viable or not, before being forced to give it up.
If there was any way on (his) God's green earth he could have done it and not ended up in jail or dead at the hands of a centrist mob, he would have done it.

I don't think you understand Pence as well as you think you do.
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And as the Arizona fraudulent audit to find fraud stretches on past another deadline to reveal their shocking non-results, another piece of evidence reveals that this is just like that game at the state fair. They show you that giant stuffed animal and tell you that you can win with this easy game, but they've rigged it and know you'll never win.

They know they're shoveling bullshit


A prominent Arizona lobbyist said former White House press secretary and veteran Arizona politico Stephanie Grisham told her that the fraud rumors that gained traction after the 2020 election were false.

POLITICO Playbook reported Wednesday that lobbyist Gretchen Jacobs texted Grisham on Dec. 12, a little more than a month after the election, to ask about whether presidential electors could be withheld to deny certification of President Joe Biden’s win.

Jacobs told the Arizona Mirror that Grisham responded to her texts by calling her the next day and explaining that the fraud allegations were bogus.

“Hearing it from her was a great reality check,” Jacobs said. “Stephanie, to her credit and to my benefit, said, ‘I promise you, that’s bogus. I promise you. Just drop it. Don’t waste anyone’s time or money.’”


And yet wasting time and money is exactly what's happening in the Grand Canyon State. They're not going to find anything worthy of even a court case, let alone "overturning" the election results. It has been a grift from day one.
 

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And as the Arizona fraudulent audit to find fraud stretches on past another deadline to reveal their shocking non-results, another piece of evidence reveals that this is just like that game at the state fair. They show you that giant stuffed animal and tell you that you can win with this easy game, but they've rigged it and know you'll never win.

They know they're shoveling bullshit


A prominent Arizona lobbyist said former White House press secretary and veteran Arizona politico Stephanie Grisham told her that the fraud rumors that gained traction after the 2020 election were false.

POLITICO Playbook reported Wednesday that lobbyist Gretchen Jacobs texted Grisham on Dec. 12, a little more than a month after the election, to ask about whether presidential electors could be withheld to deny certification of President Joe Biden’s win.

Jacobs told the Arizona Mirror that Grisham responded to her texts by calling her the next day and explaining that the fraud allegations were bogus.

“Hearing it from her was a great reality check,” Jacobs said. “Stephanie, to her credit and to my benefit, said, ‘I promise you, that’s bogus. I promise you. Just drop it. Don’t waste anyone’s time or money.’”


And yet wasting time and money is exactly what's happening in the Grand Canyon State. They're not going to find anything worthy of even a court case, let alone "overturning" the election results. It has been a grift from day one.
No no no. They *will* find something. They just need a little more time and money. Initial work is showing amazing stuff. You wouldn’t believe it!
 

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And as the Arizona fraudulent audit to find fraud stretches on past another deadline to reveal their shocking non-results, another piece of evidence reveals that this is just like that game at the state fair. They show you that giant stuffed animal and tell you that you can win with this easy game, but they've rigged it and know you'll never win.

They know they're shoveling bullshit


A prominent Arizona lobbyist said former White House press secretary and veteran Arizona politico Stephanie Grisham told her that the fraud rumors that gained traction after the 2020 election were false.

POLITICO Playbook reported Wednesday that lobbyist Gretchen Jacobs texted Grisham on Dec. 12, a little more than a month after the election, to ask about whether presidential electors could be withheld to deny certification of President Joe Biden’s win.

Jacobs told the Arizona Mirror that Grisham responded to her texts by calling her the next day and explaining that the fraud allegations were bogus.

“Hearing it from her was a great reality check,” Jacobs said. “Stephanie, to her credit and to my benefit, said, ‘I promise you, that’s bogus. I promise you. Just drop it. Don’t waste anyone’s time or money.’”


And yet wasting time and money is exactly what's happening in the Grand Canyon State. They're not going to find anything worthy of even a court case, let alone "overturning" the election results. It has been a grift from day one.

Is this anywhere near as fiscally insane as the Republicans getting a gubernatorial recall vote?
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No no no. They *will* find something. They just need a little more time and money. Initial work is showing amazing stuff. You wouldn’t believe it!
I asked my city councilman if there was a lot of fraud. He said no, no way.
I wasn't sure he could be trusted, so i escalated to my Mayor. She denied extensive fraud.
Not convinced by her answer, i went on up to the governor. HE maintained the state's elections were dependable.
I finally went over everyone's head. I fasted and prayed and asked Saint Peter to show me where any fraud occurred in the election of "president" Biden.
To the shock and amazement of my entire community and me, the sky over the Berkshires opened. God Himself. looked down from His golden throne and told me, in a voice of thunder, to rest assured that the entire election was conducted honestly, the results were professionally certified, and Joe Biden is, indeed, the duly elected President of this great nation.

After the skies closed, and the sun began shining, i realized.... This conspiracy goes pretty fucking deep, man.
 

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And as the Arizona fraudulent audit to find fraud stretches on past another deadline to reveal their shocking non-results, another piece of evidence reveals that this is just like that game at the state fair. They show you that giant stuffed animal and tell you that you can win with this easy game, but they've rigged it and know you'll never win.

They know they're shoveling bullshit


A prominent Arizona lobbyist said former White House press secretary and veteran Arizona politico Stephanie Grisham told her that the fraud rumors that gained traction after the 2020 election were false.

POLITICO Playbook reported Wednesday that lobbyist Gretchen Jacobs texted Grisham on Dec. 12, a little more than a month after the election, to ask about whether presidential electors could be withheld to deny certification of President Joe Biden’s win.

Jacobs told the Arizona Mirror that Grisham responded to her texts by calling her the next day and explaining that the fraud allegations were bogus.

“Hearing it from her was a great reality check,” Jacobs said. “Stephanie, to her credit and to my benefit, said, ‘I promise you, that’s bogus. I promise you. Just drop it. Don’t waste anyone’s time or money.’”


And yet wasting time and money is exactly what's happening in the Grand Canyon State. They're not going to find anything worthy of even a court case, let alone "overturning" the election results. It has been a grift from day one.
No no no. They *will* find something. They just need a little more time and money. Initial work is showing amazing stuff. You wouldn’t believe it!

They're trying to do the same in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.
 

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And as the Arizona fraudulent audit to find fraud stretches on past another deadline to reveal their shocking non-results, another piece of evidence reveals that this is just like that game at the state fair. They show you that giant stuffed animal and tell you that you can win with this easy game, but they've rigged it and know you'll never win.

They know they're shoveling bullshit


A prominent Arizona lobbyist said former White House press secretary and veteran Arizona politico Stephanie Grisham told her that the fraud rumors that gained traction after the 2020 election were false.

POLITICO Playbook reported Wednesday that lobbyist Gretchen Jacobs texted Grisham on Dec. 12, a little more than a month after the election, to ask about whether presidential electors could be withheld to deny certification of President Joe Biden’s win.

Jacobs told the Arizona Mirror that Grisham responded to her texts by calling her the next day and explaining that the fraud allegations were bogus.

“Hearing it from her was a great reality check,” Jacobs said. “Stephanie, to her credit and to my benefit, said, ‘I promise you, that’s bogus. I promise you. Just drop it. Don’t waste anyone’s time or money.’”


And yet wasting time and money is exactly what's happening in the Grand Canyon State. They're not going to find anything worthy of even a court case, let alone "overturning" the election results. It has been a grift from day one.
No no no. They *will* find something. They just need a little more time and money. Initial work is showing amazing stuff. You wouldn’t believe it!

Oddly enough...no.

Interesting sequence of events, actually. The Cyber Nincompoops and Karen Fann (the Republican Senate President here is literally a "Karen") had their bid to keep everything hidden denied by the Arizona Supreme Court. Now they will have to reveal:

-Records showing who's getting paid for audit work, and how much money they're getting
-Any contracts or agreements the audit team has with outside funders
-Communications between subcontractors

Then, like magic, Karen announced that they'd actually have to follow through on being a lot more transparent than they intended, and will release the documents as ordered. Next Friday (unless the dog eats their homework), the report itself will be released. My read on the matter is that it would be accurate to add the word "reluctantly." For those keeping score at home, the "audit" began in late April and was supposed to take no more than 60 days. If the entire Republican Senate contingent doesn't suddenly come down with a bad case of the 'Rona (that was the last excuse for the report being delayed), it will have taken 5 months to get the results of the audit nobody needed.
 

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For your calendar: Gen. Mark Milley and U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin are scheduled to testify Sept. 28 before the Senate Armed Services Committee. Time TBA.

I expect Gen. Mark Milley/Gen. Li Zuocheng phone calls in the waning days of President Numbnuts' reign of stupid may be brought up as a topic of discussion.

Which Republican will chance broaching the subject and suffer the fusillade?

He just needs to tell the Republicans that it was “a perfect phone call” and they’ll respect that, right? It’s not like they’re raging hypocrites.
 

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For your calendar: Gen. Mark Milley and U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin are scheduled to testify Sept. 28 before the Senate Armed Services Committee. Time TBA.

I expect Gen. Mark Milley/Gen. Li Zuocheng phone calls in the waning days of President Numbnuts' reign of stupid may be brought up as a topic of discussion.

Which Republican will chance broaching the subject and suffer the fusillade?

"Milley treason" already gets 4.5 million Google hits.

But the real treason would have been if Milley had NOT acted to safeguard the world from the sociopathic brat.
 

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But the real treason would have been if Milley had NOT acted to safeguard the world from the sociopathic brat.

I don't even understand what he did wrong.

He held a top level meeting. He described a threat he considered potentially disastrous for the USA. He made clear what the protocol is. And that it doesn't matter if some Trump official tried to dodge protocols, the protocol remains military law.

I don't see what Milley is even accused of, other than failing to be sufficiently obedient to hostile powers.
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But the real treason would have been if Milley had NOT acted to safeguard the world from the sociopathic brat.

I don't even understand what he did wrong.

He held a top level meeting. He described a threat he considered potentially disastrous for the USA. He made clear what the protocol is. And that it doesn't matter if some Trump official tried to dodge protocols, the protocol remains military law.

I don't see what Milley is even accused of, other than failing to be sufficiently obedient to hostile powers.
Tom

He acted to thwart His Flatulence's powers.

Avoiding a nuclear holocaust isn't adequate reason to do that.
 

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So apparently Mike Lindell convinced Idaho to do a partial recount of the 2020 results, because of fraud. A state Trump won by like 105 points.

article said:
The Idaho secretary of state’s office said Wednesday that a hand inspection of ballots in Camas and Butte counties found margins of error of less than 1%. That’s far below what Lindell had claimed in saying votes for former President Donald Trump went to President Joe Biden.
Mike Lindell is obviously full of crap, yet managed to get a recount in Idaho... a state Trump won by a lot, because people in Idaho will vote for a person like Trump over a Democrat. I suppose that might help explain why the did a recount in the first place. Not too bright or patriotic.
 

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No no no. They *will* find something. They just need a little more time and money. Initial work is showing amazing stuff. You wouldn’t believe it!
I asked my city councilman if there was a lot of fraud. He said no, no way.
I wasn't sure he could be trusted, so i escalated to my Mayor. She denied extensive fraud.
Not convinced by her answer, i went on up to the governor. HE maintained the state's elections were dependable.
I finally went over everyone's head. I fasted and prayed and asked Saint Peter to show me where any fraud occurred in the election of "president" Biden.
To the shock and amazement of my entire community and me, the sky over the Berkshires opened. God Himself. looked down from His golden throne and told me, in a voice of thunder, to rest assured that the entire election was conducted honestly, the results were professionally certified, and Joe Biden is, indeed, the duly elected President of this great nation.

After the skies closed, and the sun began shining, i realized.... This conspiracy goes pretty fucking deep, man.

Who bumped the thread? The above post now gives me an error message:
You Rep/Like to the same post twice.
 

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Mike Lindell now claims he's found people as old as 850 years who voted in 2020 election: report

According to Petrizzo, who frequently monitors Lindell's media appearances, the Trump-loving pillow salesman on Thursday said that he discovered that someone who was 850 years old apparently voted in the 2020 presidential election.

Additionally, writes Petrizzo, Lindell claimed that "he and his team have identified 2,000 people over the age of 200 that voted."

[TWEET]<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here is the clip of Lindell claiming an 850-year-old person voted in the 2020 election. <a href="https://t.co/kHi7UXm5Bc">pic.twitter.com/kHi7UXm5Bc</a></p>— Zachary Petrizzo (@ZTPetrizzo) <a href="https://twitter.com/ZTPetrizzo/status/1446306403468161049?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 8, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>[/TWEET]

The guy is certifiable.
 

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[TWEET]<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Today, Republicans for Voting Rights (RVR) launched a billboard campaign across the country in response to reckless Republican calls for sham audits of the 2020 election. Here's one we've put up in New York City's Times Square: <a href="https://t.co/96tweL9l9w">pic.twitter.com/96tweL9l9w</a></p>— The Republican Accountability Project (@AccountableGOP) <a href="https://twitter.com/AccountableGOP/status/1448393694890057734?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>[/TWEET]..
 

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Mike Lindell now claims he's found people as old as 850 years who voted in 2020 election: report

According to Petrizzo, who frequently monitors Lindell's media appearances, the Trump-loving pillow salesman on Thursday said that he discovered that someone who was 850 years old apparently voted in the 2020 presidential election.

Additionally, writes Petrizzo, Lindell claimed that "he and his team have identified 2,000 people over the age of 200 that voted."

[TWEET]<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here is the clip of Lindell claiming an 850-year-old person voted in the 2020 election. <a href="https://t.co/kHi7UXm5Bc">pic.twitter.com/kHi7UXm5Bc</a></p>— Zachary Petrizzo (@ZTPetrizzo) <a href="https://twitter.com/ZTPetrizzo/status/1446306403468161049?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 8, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>[/TWEET]

The guy is certifiable.
I'll take "guys in desperate need of a kick to the groin for $1200" Mayim.
 

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Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick, about a year ago, put out a bounty to find verifiable voter fraud. He offered $24k and it turns out he had to pay up. The only problem is it backfired.

But instead of going to an informant who smoked out fraud by Democrats, Patrick’s five-figure payout went to a progressive poll worker in Pennsylvania whose tip led to a single conviction of illegal voting by a registered Republican.

After Frank provided some documentation, the Patrick campaign sent him a check for $25,000. It was a lot for Frank but a drop in the bucket for No. 2 Republican in Texas, whose campaign coffers are flush with more than $23 million. Ethics expert Andrew Cates said the reward is allowed under Texas law, which restricts personal use of campaign funds — but only by the candidates themselves.
 

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Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick, about a year ago, put out a bounty to find verifiable voter fraud. He offered $24k and it turns out he had to pay up. The only problem is it backfired.

But instead of going to an informant who smoked out fraud by Democrats, Patrick’s five-figure payout went to a progressive poll worker in Pennsylvania whose tip led to a single conviction of illegal voting by a registered Republican.

After Frank provided some documentation, the Patrick campaign sent him a check for $25,000. It was a lot for Frank but a drop in the bucket for No. 2 Republican in Texas, whose campaign coffers are flush with more than $23 million. Ethics expert Andrew Cates said the reward is allowed under Texas law, which restricts personal use of campaign funds — but only by the candidates themselves.

Projection at work. They believe the Democrats are engaging in fraud because they are.
 

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Great, but how many members does Republicans for Voting Rights have? Can I invite them all to my house for drinks?

ZERO in the Senate, where it matters most.

I think less attention should be focused on the $3.5 trillion (or $0 in Manchin's latest counteroffer) and more focused on H.R.1. American Democracy is on the line. This Congress may literally be the last chance to save it.

JM and KS need to find a way to block a filibuster on H.R.1, even if just temporarily. If not, the airwaves should be blasted 24/7 with "JM and KS oppose democracy; they want a fascist take-over."

But they won't. And American attention will focus on the Superbowl Halftime Show. When The Decline and Fall of Western Enlightenment is written, what will be the name of the chapter on 2021?
 

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But they won't. And American attention will focus on the Superbowl Halftime Show. When The Decline and Fall of Western Enlightenment is written, what will be the name of the chapter on 2021?

Oh, no. America falls because some designer can't anticipate how activity will induce a woman's private part equipment failure?
 

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It isn’t projection. It is bald faced lying.

Amazing how pervasive this is, across the entire Repub party, national, state, local. This is the most corrupt party in our history. They are extremely dangerous and extremely good at propaganda.

It's hardly surprising.

This is what always happens when you have a two party system (and usually happens in a political system with larger numbers of parties, though it takes much longer to start).

To begin with, the parties are both seeking to govern in the best interests of their nation, while having a few opposing views on what is 'best' and/or how to achieve that. They share a goal (good governance), but compete for the power to implement that goal via their preferred approach.

This is how democracy is meant to work. The people pick the side that they most expect to be effective in achieving good governance, and give power to that side, switching allegiances according to how well those given that power are perceived to have performed.

But there's a catch. If one side, instead of pursuing good governance instead switches to pursuing power as a goal in itself, the whole system breaks down. When one side is trying to govern, and so (inevitably) to negotiate and compromise, but the other is hell-bent on doing nothing but secure more power (not power to implement any agenda, but rather power as a goal in itself) the side not singlemindedly seeking power is inevitably at a disadvantage in securing that power.

It's the reason that sports teams need independent referees. Without them, a friendly competition can take place, but as soon as one side decides cheating to win is an acceptable way to behave, the whole thing falls apart. Cheats, contrary to the fables we like to tell, often prosper - at least for long enough to render fair play untenable. But independent referees are hard to establish and maintain in democratic systems - and the US system, with its use of democracy even to select civil servants, is particularly bad at filling that role in the non-partisan ways necessary to protect against partisan power seeking.
 

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the refs need to be switched out... say a bench for the refs.
 

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According to a lawsuit filed in the Las Vegas Justice Court this month, the man, Donald Kirk Hartle, voted his deceased wife Rosemarie Hartle’s ballot. At a November press conference, Matt Schlapp, chairman of the American Consevative Union, named Rosemarie Hartle as one example of the “hundreds of dead people" he said had voted in the election in Clark County. The Nevada Republican Party also cited Hartle’s interview with KLAS Channel 8 in their voter fraud allegations.

Hartle told the TV station, which first reported the lawsuit, that his wife died at 52 from breast cancer in 2017 and that no ballot ever came to his house, despite a ballot for her being issued and received by the county.

“That is pretty sickening to me to be honest with you,” Kirk told the TV station at the time.

Hartle has been charged with two category D felonies, according to the criminal complaint. Both are punishable by a prison term of up to four years, as well as a fine of up to $5,000.

Hartle is the senior chief financial officer and treasurer for the Ahern Family of Companies, according to his LinkedIn page. The company’s owner, Don Ahern, is a major supporter of former President Donald Trump, whose rally the company hosted at one of their manufacturing facilities in September in violation of COVID-19 health and safety protocols.
 

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So a person who fraudulently voted for Trump is evidence that Trump’s election totals are fraudulently high? Ok. Got it.
 

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Trump criticized Mark Zuckerberg, saying the $400 million he donated to help local election offices makes him a 'criminal'

Former President Donald Trump criticized Mark Zuckerberg, Facebook's chief executive, in a statement. Trump said the $400 million donation that Zuckerberg made to local election offices last year makes him a "criminal."

"Mark Zuckerberg, in my opinion, a criminal, is allowed to spend over $400 million and therefore able to change the course of a Presidential Election, and nothing happens to Facebook," Trump said in an emailed statement to supporters.

Trump appeared to be referring to the $400 million that Zuckerberg and his wife, Priscilla Chan, donated to local election offices last year.

The money was to help the offices adapt to changes in voting patterns that resulted from the pandemic.

It was spent on items such as personal protective equipment, including masks and gloves, and equipment to process mail ballots, the Associated Press reported.
Projection and jealousy. Trump's never donated to anything.
 

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The continued activity of this thread makes me think of what the ideology scores of the various candidates are.

Members of the United States Congress - GovTrack.us -  2020 United States presidential election -  2020 Democratic Party presidential primaries -  2020 Republican Party presidential primaries
govtrack.us has ideology scores for Congresspeople for 2014, 2016, 2018, and 2020.

The Democrats in the race:
  • Joe Biden
  • Bernie Sanders VT-Sen 0.00 0.01 0.04 0.04
  • Tulsi Gabbard HI-02 0.35 0.34 0.43 0.41
  • Elizabeth Warren MA-Sen 0.21 0.15 0.00 0.03
  • Michael Bloomberg
  • Amy Klobuchar MN-Sen 0.19 0.32 0.25 0.22
  • Pete Buttigieg, Tom Steyer, Deval Patrick
  • Michael Bennet CO-Sen 0.32 0.41 0.39 0.26
  • Andrew Yang
  • John Delaney MD-06 - 0.48 0.41 0.35
  • Cory Booker NJ-Sen 0.09 0.17 0.24 0.16
  • Marianne Williamson, Julian Castro
  • Kamala Harris CA-Sen 0.02 0.05 - -
  • Steve Bullock, Joe Sestak, Wayne Messam
  • Beto O'Rourke TX-16 - 0.36 0.35 0.30
  • Tim Ryan OH-13 0.35 0.34 0.33
  • Bill de Blasio
  • Kirsten Gillibrand NY-Sen 0.06 0.00 0.06 0.08
  • Seth Moulton MA-06 0.34 0.35 0.37 -
  • Jay Inslee, John Hickenlooper, Mike Gravel
  • Eric Swalwell CA-15 0.30 0.32 0.24 0.29
  • Richard Ojeda
0 is very liberal, 1 is very conservative.
 

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So in the end, the "Stop the Steal" movement has actually vindicated the democratic processes in our country to an absurd level of accuracy on people voting legally. The bigger, though not very impacting, issue is under and over votes caused by machine or people error.

YET... people are still certain the election was stolen... though apparently not moved enough to do anything but support the Trump movement. Proving that people can be persuaded to believe what they want to believe.
 

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CNN)Former President Donald Trump railed against his one-time close ally Benjamin Netanyahu in a new interview series, saying he felt betrayed by the then-prime minister of Israel's call to Joe Biden congratulating him on winning the presidency.
"It was early. OK? Let's put it this way -- he greeted him very early. Earlier than most world leaders. I've not spoken to him since. F**k him," Trump told Israeli journalist Barak Ravid during an April interview which was published by Axios Friday.
Discussing his decision to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel -- upending decades of US policy and international consensus -- as well as recognizing Israel's sovereignty over the Golan Heights, captured from Syria during a war in 1967, Trump laid out why he felt so embittered.
"There was no one who did more for Netanyahu than me. There was no one who did for Israel more than I did. And the first person to run to greet Joe Biden was Netanyahu. And not only did he congratulate him -- he did it in a video. If you look at the leaders of other countries -- like Brazil -- he waited months. Putin. Many other leaders. Mexico. All of them also felt that the election was over. But they, too, were waiting. No one did more than me for Bibi. Money too. We gave them a lot of money and gave them soldiers. We did everything."
me, me, me, me...

Look who's anti-semitic now.
 
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CNN)Former President Donald Trump railed against his one-time close ally Benjamin Netanyahu in a new interview series, saying he felt betrayed by the then-prime minister of Israel's call to Joe Biden congratulating him on winning the presidency.
"It was early. OK? Let's put it this way -- he greeted him very early. Earlier than most world leaders. I've not spoken to him since. F**k him," Trump told Israeli journalist Barak Ravid during an April interview which was published by Axios Friday.
Discussing his decision to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel -- upending decades of US policy and international consensus -- as well as recognizing Israel's sovereignty over the Golan Heights, captured from Syria during a war in 1967, Trump laid out why he felt so embittered.
"There was no one who did more for Netanyahu than me. There was no one who did for Israel more than I did. And the first person to run to greet Joe Biden was Netanyahu. And not only did he congratulate him -- he did it in a video. If you look at the leaders of other countries -- like Brazil -- he waited months. Putin. Many other leaders. Mexico. All of them also felt that the election was over. But they, too, were waiting. No one did more than me for Bibi. Money too. We gave them a lot of money and gave them soldiers. We did everything."
me, me, me, me...

Look who's anti-semitic now.
I don't think that's anti-semitic, but simply not supporting His Flatulence.
 

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CNN)Former President Donald Trump railed against his one-time close ally Benjamin Netanyahu in a new interview series, saying he felt betrayed by the then-prime minister of Israel's call to Joe Biden congratulating him on winning the presidency.
"It was early. OK? Let's put it this way -- he greeted him very early. Earlier than most world leaders. I've not spoken to him since. F**k him," Trump told Israeli journalist Barak Ravid during an April interview which was published by Axios Friday.
Discussing his decision to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel -- upending decades of US policy and international consensus -- as well as recognizing Israel's sovereignty over the Golan Heights, captured from Syria during a war in 1967, Trump laid out why he felt so embittered.
"There was no one who did more for Netanyahu than me. There was no one who did for Israel more than I did. And the first person to run to greet Joe Biden was Netanyahu. And not only did he congratulate him -- he did it in a video. If you look at the leaders of other countries -- like Brazil -- he waited months. Putin. Many other leaders. Mexico. All of them also felt that the election was over. But they, too, were waiting. No one did more than me for Bibi. Money too. We gave them a lot of money and gave them soldiers. We did everything."
me, me, me, me...

Look who's anti-semitic now.
I don't think that's anti-semitic, but simply not supporting His Flatulence.
Well, some people here feel that disagreeing with Israeli government policy is anti-semitic.
 

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CNN)Former President Donald Trump railed against his one-time close ally Benjamin Netanyahu in a new interview series, saying he felt betrayed by the then-prime minister of Israel's call to Joe Biden congratulating him on winning the presidency.
"It was early. OK? Let's put it this way -- he greeted him very early. Earlier than most world leaders. I've not spoken to him since. F**k him," Trump told Israeli journalist Barak Ravid during an April interview which was published by Axios Friday.
Discussing his decision to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel -- upending decades of US policy and international consensus -- as well as recognizing Israel's sovereignty over the Golan Heights, captured from Syria during a war in 1967, Trump laid out why he felt so embittered.
"There was no one who did more for Netanyahu than me. There was no one who did for Israel more than I did. And the first person to run to greet Joe Biden was Netanyahu. And not only did he congratulate him -- he did it in a video. If you look at the leaders of other countries -- like Brazil -- he waited months. Putin. Many other leaders. Mexico. All of them also felt that the election was over. But they, too, were waiting. No one did more than me for Bibi. Money too. We gave them a lot of money and gave them soldiers. We did everything."
me, me, me, me...

Look who's anti-semitic now.
I don't think that's anti-semitic, but simply not supporting His Flatulence.
Well, some people here feel that disagreeing with Israeli government policy is anti-semitic.
A lot of the disagreement with their government is antisemitism in disguise.
 

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CNN)Former President Donald Trump railed against his one-time close ally Benjamin Netanyahu in a new interview series, saying he felt betrayed by the then-prime minister of Israel's call to Joe Biden congratulating him on winning the presidency.
"It was early. OK? Let's put it this way -- he greeted him very early. Earlier than most world leaders. I've not spoken to him since. F**k him," Trump told Israeli journalist Barak Ravid during an April interview which was published by Axios Friday.
Discussing his decision to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel -- upending decades of US policy and international consensus -- as well as recognizing Israel's sovereignty over the Golan Heights, captured from Syria during a war in 1967, Trump laid out why he felt so embittered.
"There was no one who did more for Netanyahu than me. There was no one who did for Israel more than I did. And the first person to run to greet Joe Biden was Netanyahu. And not only did he congratulate him -- he did it in a video. If you look at the leaders of other countries -- like Brazil -- he waited months. Putin. Many other leaders. Mexico. All of them also felt that the election was over. But they, too, were waiting. No one did more than me for Bibi. Money too. We gave them a lot of money and gave them soldiers. We did everything."
me, me, me, me...

Look who's anti-semitic now.
I don't think that's anti-semitic, but simply not supporting His Flatulence.
Well, some people here feel that disagreeing with Israeli government policy is anti-semitic.
A lot of the disagreement with their government is antisemitism in disguise.
See?
 

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CNN)Former President Donald Trump railed against his one-time close ally Benjamin Netanyahu in a new interview series, saying he felt betrayed by the then-prime minister of Israel's call to Joe Biden congratulating him on winning the presidency.
"It was early. OK? Let's put it this way -- he greeted him very early. Earlier than most world leaders. I've not spoken to him since. F**k him," Trump told Israeli journalist Barak Ravid during an April interview which was published by Axios Friday.
Discussing his decision to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel -- upending decades of US policy and international consensus -- as well as recognizing Israel's sovereignty over the Golan Heights, captured from Syria during a war in 1967, Trump laid out why he felt so embittered.
"There was no one who did more for Netanyahu than me. There was no one who did for Israel more than I did. And the first person to run to greet Joe Biden was Netanyahu. And not only did he congratulate him -- he did it in a video. If you look at the leaders of other countries -- like Brazil -- he waited months. Putin. Many other leaders. Mexico. All of them also felt that the election was over. But they, too, were waiting. No one did more than me for Bibi. Money too. We gave them a lot of money and gave them soldiers. We did everything."
me, me, me, me...

Look who's anti-semitic now.
I don't think that's anti-semitic, but simply not supporting His Flatulence.
Well, some people here feel that disagreeing with Israeli government policy is anti-semitic.
A lot of the disagreement with their government is antisemitism in disguise.
See?
You realize that's a self-fulfilling claim? You're taking objection as proof--that's the sort of thing Trumpets do.
 

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Cyber Ninjas, a firm hired by the Arizona state Senate to conduct a review of Maricopa County’s election results, on Thursday announced that it is shutting down after a county government report slammed the firm and a judge ordered it to pay $50,000 a day in fines.

Sam Levine, a reporter for The Guardian, first reported the news of Cyber Ninjas closing down on Thursday, tweeting that CEO “Doug Logan and the rest of the employees have been let go and Cyber Ninjas is being shut down.”
The news followed a Thursday order that Cyber Ninjas turn over public records to The Arizona Republic, including emails and text messages, to comply with an August ruling — or face $50,000 in fines per day.

The firm was hired to conduct an audit of the 2020 election in Maricopa County following former President Trump's claims the election was stolen from him. Arizona was a swing state that Biden won narrowly.

Cyber Ninjas, which says it recounted 2.1 million ballots, confirmed Biden beat Trump in the state but claimed in its September draft report that thousands of ballots had issues, including duplicate ballots, voters who cast ballots multiple times and unregistered voters participating in the election.

Maricopa County released a report this month, arguing Cyber Ninjas made 22 misleading claims, 41 inaccurate claims and 13 claims that were false.
 

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Meanwhile, here in Missouri.....this is a poll by a somewhat local television station:

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These are the people I live around. :rolleyesa:

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