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The president is appointed by the Electoral College. The Electoral College delegates are appointed by state legislatures.
Nothing like a free and fair election. People only seem to notice that when the EC doesn't produce the results they want.
In theory, yes, but in practice, it is an aggregated and weighted popular vote, the aggregation being by state and by some states' Congressional districts. In fact, It's been that way for most of the history of this nation.

The first one was 1788–89 United States presidential election - Wikipedia

Electors chosen by popular vote: which states? (yes, no)
  • 1789 -- DE MA MD NH PA VA -- CT GA NJ NY SC
  • 1792 -- GA KY MA MD NC NH PA VA -- CT DE NJ NY RI SC VT
  • 1796 -- GA KY MA MD NC NH PA TN VA -- CT DE NJ NY RI SC VT
  • 1800 -- KY MD NC RI TN VA -- CT DE GA MA NH NJ NY PA SC VT
  • 1804 -- KY MA MD NC NH NJ OH PA RI TN VA -- CT DE GA NY SC VT
  • 1808 -- KY MD NC NH NJ OH PA RI TN VA -- CT DE GA MA NY SC VT
  • 1812 -- KY MA MD NH OH PA RI TN VA -- CT DE GA LA NJ NY NC SC VT
  • 1816 -- KY MD NC NH NJ OH PA RI TN VA -- CT DE GA IN LA MA NY SC VT
  • 1820 -- CT IL KY MA MD ME MS NC NH NJ OH PA RI TN VA -- AL DE GA IN LA MO NY SC VT
  • 1824 -- AL CT IL IN KY MA MD ME MO MS NC NH NJ OH PA RI TN VA -- DE GA LA NY SC VT
  • 1828 -- AL CT GA IL IN KY LA MA MD ME MO MS NC NH NJ NY OH PA RI TN VA VT -- DE SC
  • 1832 and ever since -- all states popular vote
 

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1832 and ever since -- all states popular vote
If it's been nearly 200 years since it happened - it's not a valid argument. Why the fuck is that such a controversial statement? And on a related topic, fuck the constitution. Seriously, fuck it in all its holes. If your only argument against something is that it's against the constitution, it's a shitty fucking argument. And to clarify for all the Tucker Hannity dumb cunts out there; yes there is a difference between:

1) I am against (subject) because of (reason A), (reason B) and (reason C) and that's why this is mentioned in the constitution
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2) I am against (subject) because fuck you it's against the constitution.
 

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Pence finally said out loud that he couldn't single-handedly overturn the election and went so far as to say "And frankly there is almost no idea more un-American than the notion that any one person could choose the American President." and "We'll lose our country." More than a year late but I guess it's something.

Pence needs to accept that he ended his career by signing up with a piece of human filth do what he can to make sure it doesn't happen again.
 

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Pence finally said out loud that he couldn't single-handedly overturn the election and went so far as to say "And frankly there is almost no idea more un-American than the notion that any one person could choose the American President." and "We'll lose our country." More than a year late but I guess it's something.

Pence needs to accept that he ended his career by signing up with a piece of human filth do what he can to make sure it doesn't happen again.
Shortly afterwards the GOP cnesured Kinziger and Cheney. Kinziger replied:
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The Republican National Committee (RNC) took a rare step on Friday to censure two GOP lawmakers in the House of Representatives for their participation in a Democratic dominated House select committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021 attack on the U.S. Capitol.

In an overwhelming voice vote by committee members gathered for the general session of their winter meeting in Salt Lake City, Utah, the RNC rebuked Reps. Liz Cheney of Wyoming and Adam Kinzinger of Illinois. The resolution also states the RNC will "no longer support them as members of the Republican Party.

The two vocal GOP critics of former President Donald Trump were the highest profile of the 10 House Republicans to vote last year to impeach the then-President for inciting the deadly storming of the Capitol by right wing extremists in an attempt to disrupt Congressional certification of now President Biden’s 2020 election victory. Cheney and Kinzinger are the only two Republican members on the panel investigating the attack on the Capitol.

The RNC, in its resolution, argued that Cheney and Kinzinger are "participating in a Democratic led persecution of ordinary citizens engaged in legitimate political discourse."
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RNC votes to condemn Cheney, Kinzinger for serving on House committee investigating Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol by pro-Trump mob - The Washington Post - "Party leaders meeting in Salt Lake City move a censure resolution against the congresswoman from Wyoming and prepare to fund her primary opponent"
The censure resolution passed overwhelmingly on a voice vote without debate or discussion, with the whole process taking about one minute. The party said the behavior of Cheney and Kinzinger “has been destructive to the institution of the U.S. House of Representatives, the Republican Party and our republic.”

The resolution accused the two of participating in a “Democrat-led persecution of ordinary citizens who engaged in legitimate political discourse” as the committee investigates the insurrection in which a mob of Trump supporters stormed the building, injured 140 members of law enforcement and vandalized the Capitol to stop the affirmation of Joe Biden’s electoral college win. The attack led to the deaths of five people.

In a statement Friday afternoon, RNC Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel sought to clarify the resolution’s language, saying it was meant to refer to “ordinary citizens who engaged in legitimate political discourse that had nothing to do with violence at the Capitol.”
Adam Kinzinger won't run again, but Liz Cheney likely will. Kinzinger retiring from Congress, vows 'broader fight nationwide' against Trumpism- POLITICO
 

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The Republican National Committee (RNC) took a rare step on Friday to censure two GOP lawmakers in the House of Representatives for their participation in a Democratic dominated House select committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021 attack on the U.S. Capitol.

In an overwhelming voice vote by committee members gathered for the general session of their winter meeting in Salt Lake City, Utah, the RNC rebuked Reps. Liz Cheney of Wyoming and Adam Kinzinger of Illinois. The resolution also states the RNC will "no longer support them as members of the Republican Party.

The two vocal GOP critics of former President Donald Trump were the highest profile of the 10 House Republicans to vote last year to impeach the then-President for inciting the deadly storming of the Capitol by right wing extremists in an attempt to disrupt Congressional certification of now President Biden’s 2020 election victory. Cheney and Kinzinger are the only two Republican members on the panel investigating the attack on the Capitol.

The RNC, in its resolution, argued that Cheney and Kinzinger are "participating in a Democratic led persecution of ordinary citizens engaged in legitimate political discourse."
Delusional.
It's the followers who are delusional. These scumbags know exactly what they are doing. They are destroying this democratic experiment for power and hate.
 

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Rubio also said that Pence couldn't overturn the election. Is the crack in the dam growing?

ETA: As did Senator John Barrasso of Wyoming. The rest they listed don't matter since they won't ever be up for reelection.
I'm tiring of this BS. "Pence couldn't overturn the election." It is effectively stating "My hands were tied."

What they should be saying is that "there was nothing wrong with the election" and "There was no evidence that suggested there was anything wrong with the election" and "Donald Trump is lying about the election". Pence's pussyfooting is a disgrace, especially in light of the fact people were chanting for his death while crashing into the Capitol Bldg.

Pence has done, to our knowledge, nothing to support the 1/6 Commission. Providing the documents needed in order to show Trump's plot. Pence is a lightweight and a coward.
 

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Legitimate political discourse.



 
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Hmm... so... does he want to drag people's asses onto the street? I feel like he left that to the viewer's interpretation. ;)

Meanwhile "the courts won't hear us", yeah, you need to take that up with the guy you voted for. He didn't take any of those crap claims to court... and for good reason. And you were too ignorant to notice this minor issue. Gore took things to court. George W. Bush took things to court. You didn't hear them whining about unfair things and NOT TAKING IT TO COURT LIKE TRUMP MANAGED TO NOT DO.
 

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Hmm... so... does he want to drag people's asses onto the street? I feel like he left that to the viewer's interpretation. ;)

Meanwhile "the courts won't hear us", yeah, you need to take that up with the guy you voted for. He didn't take any of those crap claims to court... and for good reason. And you were too ignorant to notice this minor issue. Gore took things to court. George W. Bush took things to court. You didn't hear them whining about unfair things and NOT TAKING IT TO COURT LIKE TRUMP MANAGED TO NOT DO.

Objection: They took their crap to court--and kept getting their cases promptly thrown out because boldfaced lies in court have consequences, unlike when they tell them to the trumpets.
 

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Hmm... so... does he want to drag people's asses onto the street? I feel like he left that to the viewer's interpretation. ;)

Meanwhile "the courts won't hear us", yeah, you need to take that up with the guy you voted for. He didn't take any of those crap claims to court... and for good reason. And you were too ignorant to notice this minor issue. Gore took things to court. George W. Bush took things to court. You didn't hear them whining about unfair things and NOT TAKING IT TO COURT LIKE TRUMP MANAGED TO NOT DO.

Objection: They took their crap to court--and kept getting their cases promptly thrown out because boldfaced lies in court have consequences, unlike when they tell them to the trumpets.
No, the Trump Campaign did NOT take cases to court that involved any hint of fraud. The Trump Campaign went to court in Arizona to contest dozens of ballots, not tens of thousands, and that was about it. My bad, he did lose some cases in court, but those involved trying to stop counting votes.

The cases tossed out were tossed out because the people suing had no standing, Trump would have had standing.
 
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Rubio also said that Pence couldn't overturn the election. Is the crack in the dam growing?

ETA: As did Senator John Barrasso of Wyoming. The rest they listed don't matter since they won't ever be up for reelection.
I'm tiring of this BS. "Pence couldn't overturn the election." It is effectively stating "My hands were tied."

What they should be saying is that "there was nothing wrong with the election" and "There was no evidence that suggested there was anything wrong with the election" and "Donald Trump is lying about the election". Pence's pussyfooting is a disgrace, especially in light of the fact people were chanting for his death while crashing into the Capitol Bldg.

Pence has done, to our knowledge, nothing to support the 1/6 Commission. Providing the documents needed in order to show Trump's plot. Pence is a lightweight and a coward.
Mitch's more recent response was more along those lines.
 

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Some at IIDB complain about Trump renting out time in people's heads here. And then I see stuff like this (NY Times gifted link).

article said:
Mr. Ramthun, a 64-year-old lawmaker who lives in a village of 2,000 people an hour northwest of Milwaukee, has ridden his decertification push to become a sudden folk hero to the party’s Trump wing. Stephen K. Bannon, Mr. Trump’s former adviser, has hosted Mr. Ramthun on his podcast. At party events, he shows off a 72-page presentation in which he claims, falsely, that legislators have the power to declare Wisconsin’s election results invalid and recall the state’s electoral votes.

Mr. Ramthun has received bigger applause at local Republican gatherings than the leading candidates for governor, and last weekend he joined the race himself, announcing his candidacy at a campaign kickoff where he was introduced by Mike Lindell, the MyPillow chief executive who has financed numerous efforts to undermine and overturn the 2020 election.

Mr. Trump offered public words of encouragement.
Possibly a fringe candidate, but has the backing from the alt-right. Which is pressuring the main GOP Governor candidates to hold back on acknowledging Trump lost Wisconsin in a fair election.
 

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Keep on whining, EX-president Bonespurs.
So, Crooked Hillary Clinton, one of the most corrupt politicians ever to run for President, can break into the White House, my apartment, buildings I own, and my campaign—in other words, she can spy on a Presidential candidate and ultimately, the President of the United States—and the now totally discredited Fake News Media does everything they can not to talk about it. On the other hand, failed Gubernatorial candidate, Letitia James, can run for the office of AG on saying absolutely horrendous and false things about Donald Trump, a man she doesn’t know and has never met, go on to get elected, and then selectively prosecute him and his family. After viewing millions of pages of documents over many years, they come up with a “Fringe Benefits” case on a car, an apartment, and on grandchildren’s education. She is doing everything within their corrupt discretion to interfere with my business relationships, and with the political process. With the rest of the case, even Cy Vance, who just left the DA’s office without prosecuting anything additional, because there isn’t anything additional to prosecute—THERE IS NO CASE! The targeting of a President of the United States, who got more votes while in office than any President in History, by far, and is a person that the Radical Left Democrats don’t want to run again, represents an unconstitutional attack on our Country—and the people will not allow this travesty of justice to happen. It is a continuation of the greatest Witch Hunt in history—and remember, I can’t get a fair hearing in New York because of the hatred of me by Judges and the judiciary. It is not possible!
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Statement from Trump said:
My long-term accounting firm didn’t leave me for any other reason than they were harassed, abused, and frightened by DA’s and AG’s that for years have been threatening them with indictment and ruination. They were “broken” by these Radical Left racist prosecutors, and couldn’t take it anymore. Even the letter they sent stated, “Mazars performed its work in accordance with professional standards. A subsequent review of those work papers confirms this.” Further, their disclaimer clause in the financial statements has for years stated much the same.

My company is incredible with some of the greatest assets in the world and very low debt. Also, we’re loaded with cash. The Fake News Media hates talking about it!
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And the Board of Directors all have the longest, largest, I mean you wouldn't believe how women react when they see them, penises.

You'd swear Tommy Flanagan wrote this.
 

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GRAND JUNCTION, Colo. — A Mesa County grand jury on Tuesday returned a 13-count indictment against Clerk and Recorder Tina Peters (R) and Deputy Clerk Belinda Knisley related to the investigation into election equipment tampering and official misconduct.
Peters was indicted on 10 counts and Knisley on six. Both were under investigation related to their involvement in a 2021 data security breach with the county's election equipment, according to the indictment.

Peters and Knisley "devised and executed a deceptive scheme which was designed to influence public servants, breach security protocols, exceed permissible access to voting equipment, and set in motion the eventual distribution of confidential information to unauthorized people," according to the indictment.
Peters turned herself in around 4 p.m., and Knisley turned herself in about 12:30 p.m. Wednesday, according to the Mesa County Sheriff's Office. The court has set a $500,000 cash-only bond for each of them.
Peters faces 10 counts:
  • Three counts of attempting to influence a public servant
  • Conspiracy to commit attempting to influence a public servant
  • Criminal impersonation
  • Conspiracy to commit criminal impersonation
  • Identity theft
  • First-degree official misconduct
  • Violation of duty
  • Failing to comply with the Secretary of State
Knisley faces six counts:
  • Three counts of attempting to influence a public servant
  • Conspiracy to commit attempting to influence a public servant
  • Violation of duty
  • Failing to comply with the Secretary of State
Of those charges, Peters faces seven felonies and three misdemeanors, and Knisley faces four felonies and two misdemeanors.
According to the indictment, Peters and Knisley violated state rules to get an unknown man into the May 25 and 26, 2021, in-person systems upgrade of the county's Dominion Voting Systems equipment for the November 2021 election.
 

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GRAND JUNCTION, Colo. — A Mesa County grand jury on Tuesday returned a 13-count indictment against Clerk and Recorder Tina Peters (R) and Deputy Clerk Belinda Knisley related to the investigation into election equipment tampering and official misconduct.
Peters was indicted on 10 counts and Knisley on six. Both were under investigation related to their involvement in a 2021 data security breach with the county's election equipment, according to the indictment.

Peters and Knisley "devised and executed a deceptive scheme which was designed to influence public servants, breach security protocols, exceed permissible access to voting equipment, and set in motion the eventual distribution of confidential information to unauthorized people," according to the indictment.
Peters turned herself in around 4 p.m., and Knisley turned herself in about 12:30 p.m. Wednesday, according to the Mesa County Sheriff's Office. The court has set a $500,000 cash-only bond for each of them.
Peters faces 10 counts:
  • Three counts of attempting to influence a public servant
  • Conspiracy to commit attempting to influence a public servant
  • Criminal impersonation
  • Conspiracy to commit criminal impersonation
  • Identity theft
  • First-degree official misconduct
  • Violation of duty
  • Failing to comply with the Secretary of State
Knisley faces six counts:
  • Three counts of attempting to influence a public servant
  • Conspiracy to commit attempting to influence a public servant
  • Violation of duty
  • Failing to comply with the Secretary of State
Of those charges, Peters faces seven felonies and three misdemeanors, and Knisley faces four felonies and two misdemeanors.
According to the indictment, Peters and Knisley violated state rules to get an unknown man into the May 25 and 26, 2021, in-person systems upgrade of the county's Dominion Voting Systems equipment for the November 2021 election.
We have a brilliant Sec of State in Jena Griswold. In another State, this kind of crap would be - and probably is, going on un-noticed.
Of course bobblehead Boebert is screaming bloody murder about the fact that her ilk got caught in the act of electoral fraud.
What an embarrassment that brainless little twerp is.
 

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On Wednesday, after Trump withdrew his endorsement, Brooks said he was still in the Alabama race as the only true Trumpist candidate. He also claimed to have known he risked losing the former president’s endorsement by telling him “the truth” and added: “I repeat what has prompted President Trump’s ire.”

“The only legal way America can prevent 2020’s election debacle is for patriotic Americans to focus on and win the 2022 and 2024 elections so that we have the power to enact laws that will give us honest and accurate elections.”

He added: “President Trump asked me to rescind the 2020 elections, immediately remove Joe Biden from the White House, immediately put President Trump back in the White House, and hold a new special election for the presidency.

“As a lawyer, I’ve repeatedly advised President Trump that 6 January was the final election contest verdict and neither the US constitution nor the US Code [the laws of the United States] permit what President Trump asks. Period.”

Brooks also said he “took a sworn oath to defend and protect the US constitution”, an oath he said he would “break … for no man”.

However, Brooks has until now been one of Trump’s most ardent supporters, including on and around the events of 6 January.
 

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So Mo Brook has stated he knew Trump was cheating, yet spoke at the reclaim the election by invading the Capitol Rally. So that implies knowledge of the law and intent. That is actually convictable.
 

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The conversation Brooks is talking about took place last September.



Dude still thinks he can win the 2020 election.
 

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Virginia Thomas, a conservative activist married to Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, repeatedly pressed White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows to pursue unrelenting efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election in a series of urgent text exchanges in the critical weeks after the vote, according to copies of the messages obtained by The Washington Post and CBS News.

The messages — 29 in all — reveal an extraordinary pipeline between Virginia Thomas, who goes by Ginni, and President Donald Trump’s top aide during a period when Trump and his allies were vowing to go to the Supreme Court in an effort to negate the election results.

On Nov. 10, after news organizations had projected Joe Biden the winner based on state vote totals, Thomas wrote to Meadows: “Help This Great President stand firm, Mark!!!...You are the leader, with him, who is standing for America’s constitutional governance at the precipice. The majority knows Biden and the Left is attempting the greatest Heist of our History.”
 

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I get the feeling that they really believe in The Steal.
Proves that even if you’re dumb as a post, you can ascend to high position in Murka.
Yay Murka.
 

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Justice Thomas should have recused himself instead of voting against a case his wife is involved it. Clarence Thomas was the only Justice to vote against the Jan.6 Commission's request for Trump documents relating to the insurrection from the National Archives.

Judicial ethics? What's that?
 

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A new deep dive into discrepancies in the ballot counts of six key battleground states in the 2020 election has turned up more than 250,000 “excess votes” for President Joe Biden, and maybe far more.

The key point in the upcoming peer-reviewed study for journal Public Choice by economist and noted gun expert John Lott Jr. is that the excess voting may challenge — or explain — Biden’s margin of victory over former President Donald Trump in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin.

In his report, on the Public Choice website but still awaiting final approval, Lott said that there were 255,000 excess votes and possibly as many as 368,000 for Biden in the key states.

And in a review of his statistical study he provided to Real Clear Politics, he said that “Biden only carried these states – Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin – by a total of 313,253 votes. Excluding Michigan, the gap was 159,065.”

Lott, who runs the Crime Prevention Research Center, said that his report was not meant to overturn the 2020 election, but to reinforce the need for changes to voter identification, absentee voting and provisional ballots.
 

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Comment On “A Simple Test For The Extent Of Voter Fraud With Absentee Ballots In The 2020 Presidential Election”
In a recent paper, John Lott Jr. claims to find evidence of anti-Trump fraud in the absentee counting procedure in Fulton County, Georgia, and Allegheny County, Pennsylvania. Using Lott's own data, we show that his claims are utterly baseless. Lott uses an unusual estimation strategy that suffers from a subtle but fundamental flaw: his conclusions about fraud in Fulton and Allegheny counties are entirely dependent on the completely arbitrary order in which pairs of precincts in other counties are entered in the dataset. When we rerun Lott's analysis using an alternative but equally justifiable coding rule, the evidence for anti-Trump fraud in these two counties entirely disappears. When we replace Lott's unusual specification with a more standard estimation strategy, we find absolutely no evidence of fraud. In short, Lott's (2020) analysis provides no evidence of anything distinctive or suspicious about the absentee ballot results in either Fulton County or Allegheny County.

CLICK HERE TO READ THE PAPER
 

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So Mo Brook has stated he knew Trump was cheating, yet spoke at the reclaim the election by invading the Capitol Rally. So that implies knowledge of the law and intent. That is actually convictable.

You’d think?
I’m pretty disappointed in AG Garland. He doesn’t seem to realize the urgency of the situation, which would be astonishing if true. He comes off as weak and timid, and to date has a record of inaction to back up that impression.
Yet, I keep telling myself he HAS to know a thousand times more than I do about the most propitious way to pursue justice at this time … so he must have something up his sleeve. I hope.
 

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A year after President Joe Biden’s inauguration, around two-thirds of Republican voters believe his election was illegitimate, and the idea that the 2020 election was stolen from Donald Trump is now a defining issue of the Republican Party. Yet the story of how lies about election fraud made their way to the center of American politics has not been fully told.

In a new investigative collaboration, FRONTLINE and ProPublica trace the hidden sources of misinformation about the 2020 election, demonstrating how a handful of people have had an outsized impact on the current U.S. crisis of democratic legitimacy.
 

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I find it incredible that Trump got more than 11 million more votes in 2020 than 2016... and somehow the excess votes always seem to go to Biden. And of course "excess" votes means "I brain fucked numbers until I got the conclusion I started with."
 

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I find it incredible that Trump got more than 11 million more votes in 2020 than 2016... and somehow the excess votes always seem to go to Biden. And of course "excess" votes means "I brain fucked numbers until I got the conclusion I started with."
Zackly.
Let's not even consider that Fulton County may have contained a LOT of people who were highly motivated to vote for the first time, thanks to Cheato's cheating and treachery.
 

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Biden won the primary because of black support. And then blacks voted for him in larger numbers in 2020. This doesn't require Omega-Alpha level statistical skull fucking to understand.
 

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Donald Trump admitted on video that he did not win the 2020 election.


The former president conceded his defeat -- which could become a key piece of evidence in the various investigations of his attempts to overturn the loss -- during an interview with a panel of historians convened by Princeton professor Julian Zelizer published by The Atlantic.

“I didn’t win the election,” Trump said.

Trump had reached out to the panel of professional historians in hopes they would produce "an accurate book," said Zelizer, the author of the scholarly book The Presidency of Donald Trump: A First Historical Assessment.

“I’m looking at the list, it’s a tremendous group of people, and I think rather than being critical I’d like to have you hear me out, which is what we’re doing now, and I appreciate it," Trump told the group.
 

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Chasing proof of vote-rigging conspiracy theories, Republican officials and activists in eight U.S. locales have plotted to gain illegal access to balloting systems, undermining the security of elections they claim to protect.
Eighteen months after Donald Trump lost the White House, loyal supporters continue to falsely assert that compromised balloting machines across America robbed him of the 2020 election.

To stand up that bogus claim, some Trump die-hards are taking the law into their own hands – by attempting, with some success, to compromise the voting systems themselves.

Previously unreported surveillance video captured one such effort in August in the rural Colorado town of Kiowa. Footage obtained by Reuters through a public-records request shows Elbert County Clerk Dallas Schroeder, the county’s top election official, fiddling with cables and typing on his phone as he copied computer drives containing sensitive voting information.

Schroeder, a Republican, later testified that he was receiving instructions on how to copy the system’s data from a retired Air Force colonel and political activist bent on proving Trump lost because of fraud.
 

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Donald Trump admitted on video that he did not win the 2020 election.


The former president conceded his defeat -- which could become a key piece of evidence in the various investigations of his attempts to overturn the loss -- during an interview with a panel of historians convened by Princeton professor Julian Zelizer published by The Atlantic.

“I didn’t win the election,” Trump said.

Trump had reached out to the panel of professional historians in hopes they would produce "an accurate book," said Zelizer, the author of the scholarly book The Presidency of Donald Trump: A First Historical Assessment.

“I’m looking at the list, it’s a tremendous group of people, and I think rather than being critical I’d like to have you hear me out, which is what we’re doing now, and I appreciate it," Trump told the group.
Trump conceded nothing. He merely repeated what he has always asserted: He lost the election because it was rigged (0:39)

 

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The right-wing cable network One America News Network on Monday ran a pre-recorded 30-second segment acknowledging that there was “no widespread voter fraud” by Georgia election workers in the 2020 presidential election. The segment appears to be part of a recent settlement relating to a defamation lawsuit brought against the network by two such workers.

The segment notes that an investigation by state officials into unsubstantiated claims of widespread voter fraud made by ex-President Donald Trump and Rudy Giuliani turned up nothing. “The results of this investigation indicate that Ruby Freeman and Wandrea ‘Shaye’ Moss did not engage in ballot fraud or criminal misconduct,” a narrator states.
 

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The right-wing cable network One America News Network on Monday ran a pre-recorded 30-second segment acknowledging that there was “no widespread voter fraud” by Georgia election workers in the 2020 presidential election. The segment appears to be part of a recent settlement relating to a defamation lawsuit brought against the network by two such workers.

The segment notes that an investigation by state officials into unsubstantiated claims of widespread voter fraud made by ex-President Donald Trump and Rudy Giuliani turned up nothing. “The results of this investigation indicate that Ruby Freeman and Wandrea ‘Shaye’ Moss did not engage in ballot fraud or criminal misconduct,” a narrator states.

Good news is appreciated.
 

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The right-wing cable network One America News Network on Monday ran a pre-recorded 30-second segment acknowledging that there was “no widespread voter fraud” by Georgia election workers in the 2020 presidential election. The segment appears to be part of a recent settlement relating to a defamation lawsuit brought against the network by two such workers.

The segment notes that an investigation by state officials into unsubstantiated claims of widespread voter fraud made by ex-President Donald Trump and Rudy Giuliani turned up nothing. “The results of this investigation indicate that Ruby Freeman and Wandrea ‘Shaye’ Moss did not engage in ballot fraud or criminal misconduct,” a narrator states.
How do you know Hunter Biden wasn't holding their children hostage in a Ukrainian pizza parlor basement?
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Over the last two presidential election cycles, True the Vote has raised millions in donations with claims that it discovered tide-turning voter fraud. It’s promised to release its evidence. It never has.

Instead, the Texas-based nonprofit organization has engaged in a series of questionable transactions that sent more than $1 million combined to its founder, a longtime board member romantically linked to the founder and the group’s general counsel, an investigation by Reveal from The Center for Investigative Reporting has found.

A former PTA mom-turned-Tea Party activist, True the Vote founder Catherine Engelbrecht has played a pivotal role in helping drive the voter fraud movement from the political fringes to a central pillar in the Republican Party’s ideology. Casting herself as a God-fearing, small-town Texan, she’s spread the voter-fraud gospel by commanding airtime on cable television, space on the pages of Breitbart News and even theater seats, as a new feature film dramatizing her organization’s exploits, “2000 Mules,” plays in cinemas across the country.
A review of thousands of pages of documents from state filings, tax returns and court records, however, paints the picture of an organization that enriches Engelbrecht and partner Gregg Phillips rather than actually rooting out any fraud. According to the documents, True the Vote has given questionable loans to Engelbrecht and has a history of awarding contracts to companies run by Engelbrecht and Phillips. Within days of receiving $2.5 million from a donor to stop the certification of the 2020 election, True the Vote distributed much of the money to a company owned by Phillips, Bopp’s law firm and Engelbrecht directly for a campaign that quickly fizzled out.

Legal and nonprofit accounting experts who reviewed Reveal’s findings said the Texas attorney general and Internal Revenue Service should investigate.

“This certainly looks really bad,” said Laurie Styron, executive director of CharityWatch.
 

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So, the 1/6 hearings are on-going, and we see the continuing diverging of two distinct realities, the real world and Trump's quantum diversion world.

In the real world, we have the 1/6 hearing on-going.
In the quantum diversion, we have 100 GOP primary candidates that are propagating the lie that Trump won the election.

Yes, we already know that the majority of the GOP in the House were part of the coup attempt, but we are seeing just how widespread the disease is getting. To the point where we literally are seeing diverging realities.
article said:
District by district, state by state, voters in places that cast ballots through the end of May have chosen at least 108 candidates for statewide office or Congress who have repeated Trump’s lies. The number jumps to at least 149 winning candidates — out of more than 170 races — when it includes those who have campaigned on a platform of tightening voting rules or more stringently enforcing those already on the books, despite the lack of evidence of widespread fraud.
The distinction at the end is important, because several Republican controlled states passed and signed legislation pulling back on voting rights... over voter fraud "concerns", when the actual amount of voter fraud detected was actually negligible. And this is where the diverging realities occur.

You have the people all out lying, and then you have the enablers who use that lying to justify actions, you know... just in case.
 

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Rudy Giuliani Brutally Attacked At A ShopRite




"I feel this tremendous pain in my back, and I'm thinking, what the — I didn't even know what it was," Giuliani told the Post. He later called in to Curtis Sliwa's talk radio show and said the slap felt like "somebody shot me," adding, "Luckily, I"m a 78-year-old who is in pretty good shape. Because if I wasn't, I would have hit the ground and probably cracked my skull." The Post published surveillance footage of the incident.
The 39-year-old suspect was charged with second-degree assault involving a person over age 65, the Post reports. Giuliani said he had no choice but to call the cops. "I say to myself, 'You know something? I gotta get this guy arrested,'" he told the Post. "I talk about 'broken windows' theory all the time. You can't let the little things go. I'm like, 'I'm gonna get this guy arrested as an example that you can't do this.'"

Giuliani told The New York Times he still has red marks on his back but isn't bleeding from the slap. "I've been in politics 50 years, I've never been attacked like this," he said.
 
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