#20minutesofaction

[repoman]

The thread title is a current hashtag on twitter.

Very messed up case of a judge seeming to take it easy on a well connected student athlete at Stanford.

Only six months in prison for raping an unconscious stranger.

This is his father moaning about it:



A cnn link:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/06/us/sexual-assault-brock-turner-stanford/

I find it very unlikely the son was having consensual sex and the girl passed out just an instant before the witnesses came by. But at any rate, this note from the father is so terrible that it shocks the conscious.

Basically, despite any disagreements that some people will have here about what may have actually happened that night, no one can disagree about what the father wrote.

 

[Arctish]

The letter the victim read aloud in court is extremely eloquent. The full text is embedded in the OP article. It's well worth taking the time to read.

 

[untermensche]

The father minimizes. He does not lie.

It was 20 minutes of action.

20 minutes of criminal action.

Is this thread about what a society should do when young men violate young women like this?

Is putting them in a cell the best solution we can come up with?

 

[repoman]

That hashtag is busy now, this is a good edit of the father's note:

 

[Playball40]

The father minimizes. He does not lie.

It was 20 minutes of action.

20 minutes of criminal action.

Is this thread about what a society should do when young men violate young women like this?

Is putting them in a cell the best solution we can come up with?

The problem as I see it is neither the student rapist or the father seem to show any real responsibility for what he did. He brutally RAPED AN UNCONSCIOUS woman behind a freaking dumpster. This was NOT a case of 'college drinking and sexual promiscuity'. It was a case of RAPE. And this kid needs to see that. His so-called 'sentence' was an absolute JOKE, while the victim has to carry the emotional scars for life.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

In this case you're getting awfully close to insinuating that the rape victim had it coming, since she made the mistake of getting blackout drunk around a horny young man, and that his only crime was to not check to see if she was awake before he raped her...oh, sorry...you won't say that he raped her.

In this case I do not think he deserves to spend many years in prison.

How many?

 

[Derec]

Read the victim's statement. She was bruised, cut up and injured. This happened while she was unconscious. That is brutal.

Again, I do not think he should be acquitted. But spending half a year in jail and 3 years on probation is no joke. And add to that a sex crime conviction on his record. He is not exactly getting off lightly here.

Because the woods is the same as a dumpster. Riiiiiight.

More pine needles in the woods.

Actually there is plenty. But I'm not surprised you can't see it.

Like what? Had he slipped her GHB that would be for example evidence of premeditation. If he pretended to drink but did not (to get the girl drunk but remain sober himself) that would be evidence of premeditation. I see none of it.

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How many?

I think the prosecutor wanted 6. Who knows how many would satisfy the feminist brigades. Probably nothing short of 60.

 

[Jayjay]

6 months to a year sounds about right to me. Being a registered sex offender for the rest of his life is the harsh part.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

6 months to a year sounds about right to me. Being a registered sex offender for the rest of his life is the harsh part.

It is. That is supposed to be known as a deterrent.

 

[Jayjay]

6 months to a year sounds about right to me. Being a registered sex offender for the rest of his life is the harsh part.

It is. That is supposed to be known as a deterrent.

Is the deterrent working? And if it is, shouldn't the same be used for other kinds of felons? Seems like sex ofenders are a special class of criminals that are stigmatized for life.

But, had this happened in my country the guy likely wouldn't have received any jailtime, just a suspended sentence and a pat on the back. Not saying that extreme is right either.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Why do you think that?

I would say from the way they are downplaying Brock's actions and not stating remorse.

He brutally RAPED AN UNCONSCIOUS woman behind a freaking dumpster.

I see nothing in the case description that it was particularly brutal.

Derec, yes, she wasn't beaten to a pulp, but oftentimes the "non-brutal" rapes can be more psychologically traumatic as the victim feels that they could have done more to avoid it.

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No woman voluntarily wants to be fucked behind a dumpster with dirt and pine needles up her vagina.

People have been known to have sex in the woods.

Why do you downplay this as "sex in the woods"?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

It is. That is supposed to be known as a deterrent.

Is the deterrent working?

Don't know.

And if it is, shouldn't the same be used for other kinds of felons?

You mean like how felons have to check a box on employment applications and find it extremely difficult to find a job? It is a terrible problem. It seems getting a felony is a life long sentence in the work place. Something does need to be done to deal with it.

Seems like sex ofenders are a special class of criminals that are stigmatized for life.

Yes and no... and while I definitely do sympathize that having a single choice be a mark on you for such a long time, I'll be more sympathetic to a streaker who has to register as a sex offender than a person who sought out the most drunk person to force themselves onto them. I'll also have a bit more sympathy for the criminal after ten or twenty years and he hasn't committed such an act again? Otherwise, does he learn from his terrible action?

But, had this happened in my country the guy likely wouldn't have received any jailtime, just a suspended sentence and a pat on the back. Not saying that extreme is right either.

As things stand, at this point of time, this person has not been over punished.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I wonder what dad would describe Bubba getting 20 minutes of "action" on him as?

 

[J842P]

6 months to a year sounds about right to me. Being a registered sex offender for the rest of his life is the harsh part.

Typically someone would spend at least 5 years in prison for this sort of crime in the US. There might be a disconnect between Nordic and American expectations here.

 

[RavenSky]

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[Arctish]

Getting back to the topic of #20minutesofaction, this guy was sentenced to 2 years in prison for approx. 20 seconds of action. How do people here feel about the difference between what Downing did and his punishment vs. what Turner did and his?

I seems to me that either Downing was dealt with much too harshly or Turner got off way too easy.

 

[Rhea]

Brock's dad wrote,
"and will never be his happy-go-lucky self again," and "his every waking moment is consumed with worry." among all the other tripe.

But what strikes me is this:
None of this boy's anguish is as a result of having raped a woman. They are all anguish he feels upon getting caught.
The statements from Brock the rapist and his father are all about how the sentencing will harm his life and how the sex registry and how having his name put out will ruin his life.

"These verdicts have broken and shattered him."

Really.

Really.

Being a rapist didn't bother you? Just being called one is what bothers you?

And that is why he is still a threat to society.

 

[Ford]

None of this boy's anguish is as a result of having raped a woman. They are all anguish he feels upon getting caught.

I am at a loss to describe just how accurately you've hit the nail on the head.

 

[Derec]

Derec is defending him.

I am not defending him. I am defending the judge/sentence. There is a difference.

Minimizing the crime. Making it seem like nothing more than a drunken boy having consensual sex with a drunken girl whom he only later learned wasn't actually awake. A mistake. A youthful indiscretion rather than rape. Just - as daddy said - 20 minutes of "action."

Technically he was convicted of sexual assault rather than rape because of actual legal meanings of these terms. But I agree that it was sexual assault. And I did not say that it was consensual sex, I said that it likely started as consensual between two highly intoxicated people. As such it is a mistake, even if it is a crime, and is not premeditated. At least nobody has shows any evidence (deliberately making target drunk, drugging her drink etc.) that it was.

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[Derec]

Typically someone would spend at least 5 years in prison for this sort of crime in the US.

Do you have some sort of source backing that up?

There might be a disconnect between Nordic and American expectations here.

Americans being heavily on the "lock them up for a long time" side of the spectrum, resulting in mass incarceration.

And while those on the left tend to decry mass incarceration, they want a very long sentence in cases of sexual assault. Why should sexual assault be treated so differently than other kinds of violent crime?