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https://www.ctpost.com/local/article/Lawyers-Alex-Jones-sent-child-porn-to-Sandy-Hook-14005437.php

According to lawyers for the Sandy Hook families, Alex Jones sent them a whole bunch of electronic documents probably as ordered but the documents contained child porn.

Then, it comes out that this happens. Now already, this is enough to get conservatives and Libertarian conspiracy theorists to want to nominate him for some kind of political office...

but then he goes on his show and seems to threaten and/or offer up a reward for assassination:
Jones publicly responded on a broadcast of his show that he is being framed by Chris Mattei, the lawyer for the Sandy Hook families and went on making what Mattei and his law firm, Koskoff, Koskoff and Bieder claim are threats against them.

"You’re trying to set me up with child porn, I’ll get your ass," Jones states on the broadcast. "One million dollars, you little gang members. One million dollars to put your head on a pike." Jones then pounds a photograph of Mattei and goes into a rant at one point stating, "I’m gonna kill …"

I can see why youtube and twitter would want to ban this dindu nuffin thug, but I am more interested in hearing why conservatives and Libertarians are going to keep supporting forcing corporations in the free market to broadcast this guy's violence, fraud, and other illegal behaviors.
 

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Jebus! Isn't that very illegal? Not the stuff alleged to be in the docs (which is obviously very illegal)... but did he just put out a contract and incite the murder of that guy?
 

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“Mr. Jones was upset, he did not threaten Mr. Mattei,” (Jones' lawyer) said. “He spoke in a compassionate fashion.”
Right, right, right. I believe you. Sure.
I mean, I fully understand how the F-word is a friendly salutation in certain circles, and the C-word is often a male-bonding term. So, sure, saying you'd pay A MILLION DOLLARS to put someone's head on a pike, someone you're already in legal dispute with, that's compassionate.

It's like a Father's Day Card to someone who isn't your father.
Or, "Thinking of you...bleeding from a few major blood vessels."
Just like we used to chant at football games in high school "Die you Gravy-Sucking PIGS!" to hope 'may the best men win.'

Uh huh.
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With the best interpretation of it, why did Alex Jones let his legal counsel mass dump all of the spam and malicious emails sent TO Infowars be sent out to the Sandy Hook families legal teams without sorting?

Was he being cheap, was he trying to swamp them with so much to sort?

I have never gotten any child porn let alone normal porn of any kind in my emails. What the hell is going on?

If Alex knew that people who hated him would stoop to the level of sending that stuff to him, why did he not sort out attachments sent in the email?

Probably a disgruntled former fan(s) of Jones who thought he was cucking to the real powers that be sent the child porn, they are probably the only people crazy enough to do that.
 

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With the best interpretation of it, why did Alex Jones let his legal counsel mass dump all of the spam and malicious emails sent TO Infowars be sent out to the Sandy Hook families legal teams without sorting?

Was he being cheap, was he trying to swamp them with so much to sort?

I have never gotten any child porn let alone normal porn of any kind in my emails. What the hell is going on?

If Alex knew that people who hated him would stoop to the level of sending that stuff to him, why did he not sort out attachments sent in the email?

Probably a disgruntled former fan(s) of Jones who thought he was cucking to the real powers that be sent the child porn, they are probably the only people crazy enough to do that.

Why are you presuming this stuff was sent from someone else, other than that this is what the right-wing blogosphere says?

Supposing that is true, I do not recall ever receiving such thing in spam either. If he visited such sites then that might happen, maybe, but they'd have to know his infowars email....which also is a presumption that we are talking infowars email and not personal email. I suppose he might want to use a non-personal email when doing things illegal in order to distance himself from the illegal actions, obfuscating his identity and making it harder to prove he was guilty in a court of law...

Can you point to reliable sources of information that your questions seem predicated upon?
 

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I am more interested in hearing why conservatives and Libertarians are going to keep supporting forcing corporations in the free market to broadcast this guy's violence, fraud, and other illegal behaviors.

Alex Jones and his little buddy grifter conman friend Mike Adams "The Health Ranger" of NaturalNews carry their base. GOP cultivated these guys in the Obama years when any anti-government conspiracy theory was a net benefit to Republicans that have been branding themselves as the party of individual liberty and the Democrats as the party of the New World Order and the "Deep State". As such they have not just tolerated but have helped to spread the crazy conspiracy theories espoused by Jones and his ilk. Now facebook and others are giving Jones and company the boot and the GOP is rallying to defense against this "censorship of conservative viewpoints". And I always say, "well I don't want the platform to dictate the content either but you consider Alex Jones and Mike Adams and similar to be "conservative viewpoints"? That is really sad if that is what conservatism has become. It really is though. Scroll through the social media feed of any rabid Trump supporter and you'll find links to Joe Mercola and his bullshit about vaccines, chemtrails, conspiracy theories about 5G, etc... This used to be the stuff of fringe pot head anti-establishment semi-anarchist lefties. Not anymore. It is the Trump base.

Back in 2009-2011 they were banging on about conspiracy theories that Obama was using the Department of Homeland Security to deliberately cause ammunition shortages (it was record sales to the public that was causing a shortage), FEMA coffins, birtherism, etc... The GOP fanned those flames but without their political candidates on the national scene directly espousing them. They wanted to maintain an air of sanity as long as the anti-government conspiracy theories were helping them at the polls and in their aim to dismantle EPA and such. Trump saw that door wide open. That's why he went on TV in 2011 and started beating the birther drum. He made himself into the image that the base wanted.
 

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Who wouldn't know Infowars emails?

They are trying to get people strung along into their $cam$ and answering emails makes they audience feel part of the Infowar.
 

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Jones also said on his show

"I like women with big giant tits and big asses. I don't like kids like you goddamn rapists," Jones said. "I literally would never have sex with children, I don't like having sex with children, I would never have sex with children. I am not a Democrat. I am not a liberal. I do not cut children's genitals off like the left does."

Why wouldn't conservatives and conservolibertarians love the guy? That's the kind of garbage I read on their social media feeds every day except on social media there's usually some awesome memey graphics to go along with the text.

Until enough of the "good ones" stand up and repudiates this crap I will assume that it is their standard across the party.
 

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Who wouldn't know Infowars emails?

They are trying to get people strung along into their $cam$ and answering emails makes they audience feel part of the Infowar.

It is entirely plausible that people had sent the stuff to Infowars with malicious intend and the nasty stuff just sat in junk folders or got moved into 'deleted items' and ignored but never fully purged. Given his obsession with pedos I could see people sending him stuff like that. It is like 12 files out of >57,000? Yeah, his semi-competent lawyers were dumping crap on the prosecuting lawyers. The plaintiff lawyers want to read through email to find "knew or should have known" evidence regarding Jones' libel or slander against the victim families. Unless there's evidence that he or someone in his camp were actually trafficking in illegal porn then that is a nothingburger.

What is really damnable here is his affirmative claims against the opposing counsel and the threats. Then he does that bullshit walk back.

But really, I'm calling false flag on this one. Jones is probably trying to frame opposing counsel for the crime of trying to frame him. He planted the files with the intent to make it look like opposing counsel planted the files.
 

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Who wouldn't know Infowars emails?

They are trying to get people strung along into their $cam$ and answering emails makes they audience feel part of the Infowar.

It is entirely plausible that people had sent the stuff to Infowars with malicious intend and the nasty stuff just sat in junk folders or got moved into 'deleted items' and ignored but never fully purged. Given his obsession with pedos I could see people sending him stuff like that. It is like 12 files out of >57,000? Yeah, his semi-competent lawyers were dumping crap on the prosecuting lawyers. The plaintiff lawyers want to read through email to find "knew or should have known" evidence regarding Jones' libel or slander against the victim families. Unless there's evidence that he or someone in his camp were actually trafficking in illegal porn then that is a nothingburger.

What is really damnable here is his affirmative claims against the opposing counsel and the threats. Then he does that bullshit walk back.

But really, I'm calling false flag on this one. Jones is probably trying to frame opposing counsel for the crime of trying to frame him. He planted the files with the intent to make it look like opposing counsel planted the files.

Oh, I think that I have a conspiracy that makes sense (meta joke) it is that is that he probably had loony audience members who found sketchy websites by accident and they sent samples and links and said "Alex, you have got to find a way to stop this!"

Also, if Alex or his staff knew that they got these emails either from well meaning loonies (contact them and tell them to delete files and contact police themselves) or malicious spam the right action would have been to contact police at the time.
 

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What is really damnable here is his affirmative claims against the opposing counsel and the threats. Then he does that bullshit walk back.
It obviously wasn't a legit threat because otherwise, he would have proposed payment in Bitcoin. ;)

But really, I'm calling false flag on this one. Jones is probably trying to frame opposing counsel for the crime of trying to frame him. He planted the files with the intent to make it look like opposing counsel planted the files.
Personally, I don't give too much care to the allegation of the origin of the files verses the rather crude and in your face death threat which shouldn't be too hard to demonstrate in court.
 

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Jones also said on his show

"I like women with big giant tits and big asses. I don't like kids like you goddamn rapists," Jones said. "I literally would never have sex with children, I don't like having sex with children, I would never have sex with children. I am not a Democrat. I am not a liberal. I do not cut children's genitals off like the left does."

Why wouldn't conservatives and conservolibertarians love the guy? That's the kind of garbage I read on their social media feeds every day except on social media there's usually some awesome memey graphics to go along with the text.

Until enough of the "good ones" stand up and repudiates this crap I will assume that it is their standard across the party.

So is Jones the one that keeps spewing this gross misconception about transition therapy? I've seen it vomited repeatedly by blowhards on the right, and I know it must be originating somewhere for it to be churned out from the lie machine so often.
 

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Who wouldn't know Infowars emails?

They are trying to get people strung along into their $cam$ and answering emails makes they audience feel part of the Infowar.

It is entirely plausible that people had sent the stuff to Infowars with malicious intend and the nasty stuff just sat in junk folders or got moved into 'deleted items' and ignored but never fully purged. Given his obsession with pedos I could see people sending him stuff like that. It is like 12 files out of >57,000? Yeah, his semi-competent lawyers were dumping crap on the prosecuting lawyers. The plaintiff lawyers want to read through email to find "knew or should have known" evidence regarding Jones' libel or slander against the victim families. Unless there's evidence that he or someone in his camp were actually trafficking in illegal porn then that is a nothingburger.

What is really damnable here is his affirmative claims against the opposing counsel and the threats. Then he does that bullshit walk back.

But really, I'm calling false flag on this one. Jones is probably trying to frame opposing counsel for the crime of trying to frame him. He planted the files with the intent to make it look like opposing counsel planted the files.

Well the law regarding child porn does not touch on what you may or may not know about having. The law is more about distributing... so if he received child porn, and then it was forwarded, he broke the law.

Or, do you think that "i didn't know she was underage" is an airtight defense? Hint: it's not... and neither is "I didn't know it was forwarded".
 

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With the best interpretation of it, why did Alex Jones let his legal counsel mass dump all of the spam and malicious emails sent TO Infowars be sent out to the Sandy Hook families legal teams without sorting?

Was he being cheap, was he trying to swamp them with so much to sort?

I have never gotten any child porn let alone normal porn of any kind in my emails. What the hell is going on?

If Alex knew that people who hated him would stoop to the level of sending that stuff to him, why did he not sort out attachments sent in the email?

Probably a disgruntled former fan(s) of Jones who thought he was cucking to the real powers that be sent the child porn, they are probably the only people crazy enough to do that.

Sort out? He was probably ordered to turn over everything.
 

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Well the law regarding child porn does not touch on what you may or may not know about having. The law is more about distributing... so if he received child porn, and then it was forwarded, he broke the law.

Or, do you think that "i didn't know she was underage" is an airtight defense? Hint: it's not... and neither is "I didn't know it was forwarded".

I disagree--he was legally compelled to do so and thus can't be punished for doing so. I wouldn't even automatically say it was wrong if it was forwarded internally--I would not be willing to convict someone for forwarding kiddie porn to their legal department and asking what to do about it. Or even to the IT department, "Can you do anything about this garbage I'm getting?"
 

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Well the law regarding child porn does not touch on what you may or may not know about having. The law is more about distributing... so if he received child porn, and then it was forwarded, he broke the law.

Or, do you think that "i didn't know she was underage" is an airtight defense? Hint: it's not... and neither is "I didn't know it was forwarded".

I disagree--he was legally compelled to do so and thus can't be punished for doing so. I wouldn't even automatically say it was wrong if it was forwarded internally--I would not be willing to convict someone for forwarding kiddie porn to their legal department and asking what to do about it. Or even to the IT department, "Can you do anything about this garbage I'm getting?"

Do you actually know this is what happened?
 

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Well the law regarding child porn does not touch on what you may or may not know about having. The law is more about distributing... so if he received child porn, and then it was forwarded, he broke the law.

Or, do you think that "i didn't know she was underage" is an airtight defense? Hint: it's not... and neither is "I didn't know it was forwarded".

I disagree--he was legally compelled to do so and thus can't be punished for doing so. I wouldn't even automatically say it was wrong if it was forwarded internally--I would not be willing to convict someone for forwarding kiddie porn to their legal department and asking what to do about it. Or even to the IT department, "Can you do anything about this garbage I'm getting?"

So he was holding onto it and not reporting it? How is that not unlawful?
 

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Well the law regarding child porn does not touch on what you may or may not know about having. The law is more about distributing... so if he received child porn, and then it was forwarded, he broke the law.

Or, do you think that "i didn't know she was underage" is an airtight defense? Hint: it's not... and neither is "I didn't know it was forwarded".

I disagree--he was legally compelled to do so and thus can't be punished for doing so. I wouldn't even automatically say it was wrong if it was forwarded internally--I would not be willing to convict someone for forwarding kiddie porn to their legal department and asking what to do about it. Or even to the IT department, "Can you do anything about this garbage I'm getting?"

Do you actually know this is what happened?

I was suggesting an actual reality--delivering kiddie porn they had received as part of a discovery request is not illegal. I was discussing a couple of hypotheticals of situations I would accept the forwarding of it to others as not being a criminal act, also.

Furthermore, even if deleted it would likely persist on a backup tape. IT isn't going to be expected to go through and purge it from backup tapes. If such a backup gets delivered as a result of a discovery request you've got the legal transmission of kiddie porn.
 

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Furthermore, even if deleted it would likely persist on a backup tape. IT isn't going to be expected to go through and purge it from backup tapes.
Really?
I admit, we never deal with kiddie porn at work, but when we get classified data accidentally emailed to our computers, IT goes intensely paranoid in dealing with every possible place it might be. If Sam recieves something from SP that they later decide was classified, they quarantine every computer he emailed anything to between receipt and identification, scrub any nemory device accessed during that time, including thumb drives, and print fifty pages of blanks out of any printer he used. Seems weird that the IT guys wouldn't thimk of t he backups.
 

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That would make for some wicked malware. Affect an enemy's computer so that it contains kiddie porn but can't be easily found on the computer...but it gets attached to every outgoing e-mail.
 

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Furthermore, even if deleted it would likely persist on a backup tape. IT isn't going to be expected to go through and purge it from backup tapes.
Really?
I admit, we never deal with kiddie porn at work, but when we get classified data accidentally emailed to our computers, IT goes intensely paranoid in dealing with every possible place it might be. If Sam recieves something from SP that they later decide was classified, they quarantine every computer he emailed anything to between receipt and identification, scrub any nemory device accessed during that time, including thumb drives, and print fifty pages of blanks out of any printer he used. Seems weird that the IT guys wouldn't thimk of t he backups.

It's not that they wouldn't think of them, it's that there's no reason to go to extremes to hunt down deleted kiddie porn. It's presence on a backup tape isn't going to do any harm.
 

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Alex Jones is found liable over Sandy Hook hoax conspiracy : NPR
A Texas judge has found Infowars host and conspiracy theorist Alex Jones liable for damages in three defamation lawsuits brought by the parents of two children killed in the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre over his claims that the shooting was a hoax.

Judge Maya Guerra Gamble in Austin, home of Infowars, entered default judgments against Jones, Infowars and other defendants for what she called their "flagrant bad faith and callous disregard" of court orders to turn over documents to the parents' lawyers. The rulings were issued on Monday and released on Thursday.

The cases now head to trial for juries to determine the amount of damages Jones and the other defendants will have to pay the families.
It's like he did not show up in court and the court continued without him. One has to ask why he refused to submit the documents. Did he think that he could win by stonewalling the courts?
Bill Ogden, a Houston lawyer representing the four parents in the Texas cases, said Jones and Infowars have failed to turn over documents for the past few years. He added such default judgments are rare.

"My clients have and continue to endure Defendants' 5-year campaign of repulsive lies," Ogden said in a statement, which quoted the judge's ruling. "We believe the Court hit this nail on the head when it considered Alex Jones' and Infowars' 'bad faith approach to this litigation,' Mr. Jones' 'public threats,' and Jones' 'professed belief that these proceedings are show trials.'"
Those jury judgments may not be the end of this litigation, because AJ is likely to appeal them. But pissing off judges is not a good way to get good verdicts.
 

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Alex Jones Liable in Sandy Hook Defamation Suits - The New York Times - "A Connecticut judge’s ruling combines with decisions in Texas to grant a clean sweep for families of shooting victims in their cases against the Infowars host."

"The judge in Connecticut ruled on Monday that because Mr. Jones refused to turn over documents ordered by the courts, including financial records, he was liable by default."
 

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