And now from the great state of North Carolina I give you Thom Tillis

[dismal]

As a thought experiment, how many businesses do you imagine would post a sign advertising they do not require employees to wash hands if they were given the option to do so?

As a second thought experiment, how effective are these signs at actually getting employees to wash their hands?

I think the signs actually help. I don't suppose they create 100% compliance, but I think they increase the odds appreciably.

The studies I found said they do not.

 

[thebeave]

Maybe gubmint could meet the restaurants halfway on this. If you pee, you shouldn't be required to wash your hands, as pee is largely sterile and harmless.

But the problem is that flushing toilets tend to aerosolize their contents. So there's a tiny layer of shit on every surface in the bathroom. Touching anything in there, including the handle of the door to exit, will deposit some fecal matter.

Very true. Which makes one wonder about the value of washing your hands in the first place. Probably helps to some degree, but as you say, there are germs everywhere. Trying to eliminate all the poo germs is probably a fool's game.

 

[Rhea]

I think the signs actually help. I don't suppose they create 100% compliance, but I think they increase the odds appreciably.

The studies I found said they do not.

I was unable to open that link.

 

[Bronzeage]

I think the signs actually help. I don't suppose they create 100% compliance, but I think they increase the odds appreciably.

The studies I found said they do not.

The same could be said for STOP signs.

As usual, perfection is the enemy of the adequate.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Seatbelt laws don't lead to 100% compliance.

Let's just give up and not regulate anything.

 

[dismal]

The studies I found said they do not.

I was unable to open that link.

It's weird how you proceeded from talking out your ass to asking for links.

But here is one that suggests they have a very limited effect and no effect at all on men. It also highlights the importance of having someone else in there watching.

After the signs were posted, women opted less often for the ineffective strategy of hand rinsing--using only water and no soap--and washed with soap more often.



But the signs had no effect on men's tendencies to either wash or rinse their hands after using the restroom, Johnson and his colleagues reported last week during the Annual Meeting of the Eastern Psychological Association in Baltimore, Maryland.



"Female hand rinsing went down once the sign was placed, and their hand washing went up," Johnson said in an interview with Reuters Health.



But men, he added, "relatively stayed the same, regardless of the situation."



Johnson explained that simple signs reminding people to wash their hands may be more effective in women than in men because women have been taught from early in life to accept and follow social norms.



Seeing a sign that tells them to wash their hands may remind women that this is the socially accepted behavior, he said.



In contrast, many men may have been raised to be "more autonomous in their decision-making," to do what they want to do even if it goes against what is socially acceptable, Johnson added.



"If it's something they want to do, they're going to do it anyway," he said.



Johnson noted that the study likely overestimates how often people washed their hands because the participants knew someone else was in the restroom with them, and may have washed their hands--or pretended to have done so using hand rinsing--to avoid shame.

http://preventdisease.com/news/articles/wash_hands_signs_only_work_women.shtml

 

[Sarpedon]

That's a good point. How is this law about washing your hands enforced? Perhaps we need a spy cam in the bathroom connected to a video screen in the back room, where a full time employee verifies the hands were washed. Or someone stands by the door and inspects employee hands for dampness as they leave the bathroo

All commercial kitchens are required to have a handwashing station in the kitchen and within full view. This sink is ONLY for hand washing.

 

[Rhea]

I was unable to open that link.

It's weird how you proceeded from talking out your ass to asking for links.

That was weirdly nonsensical. I gave an opinion, you said links disagreed, I asked for them. This is worthy of sneer? How odd.

But here is one that suggests they have a very limited effect and no effect at all on men. It also highlights the importance of having someone else in there watching.

Aaah, the old "men are pigs" trope. Well, if the shoe fits, I'ma gonna let you be the one to pull that onto your own foot.

After the signs were posted, women opted less often for the ineffective strategy of hand rinsing--using only water and no soap--and washed with soap more often.

e.g. the signs worked for women, I'm a woman, my opinion was that the signs would work. Talking out my ass again. Where does it end!

But the signs had no effect on men's tendencies to either wash or rinse their hands after using the restroom, "If it's something they want to do, they're going to do it anyway," he said.

Sounds like restaurants should prefer female wait staff, I guess.

 

[dismal]

e.g. the signs worked for women, I'm a woman, my opinion was that the signs would work. Talking out my ass again. Where does it end!

They had some effect on women when someone else was watching.

No effect at all on men even when someone else was watching.

What seems to be required if we want handwashing is government watchers empowered to hand out fines and prison time.

 

[Rhea]

e.g. the signs worked for women, I'm a woman, my opinion was that the signs would work. Talking out my ass again. Where does it end!

They had some effect on women when someone else was watching.

No effect at all on men even when someone else was watching.

What seems to be required if we want handwashing is government watchers empowered to hand out fines and prison time.

So I'll give you a LEEEEtle tip. As someone who frequents women's bathrooms arguably more than you do, there is almost always someone watching. Women's bathroom lines are notoriously long, there are often several people in line. So, there is that.


I gave my opinion, "I think the signs tend to have a positive effect." I think that remains a justifiable opinion. More could be done, but the signs are not a waste of time.

 

[dismal]

They had some effect on women when someone else was watching.

No effect at all on men even when someone else was watching.

What seems to be required if we want handwashing is government watchers empowered to hand out fines and prison time.

So I'll give you a LEEEEtle tip. As someone who frequents women's bathrooms arguably more than you do, there is almost always someone watching. Women's bathroom lines are notoriously long, there are often several people in line. So, there is that.


I gave my opinion, "I think the signs tend to have a positive effect." I think that remains a justifiable opinion. More could be done, but the signs are not a waste of time.

Of course more could be done. We could have federal bathroom monitors empowered to hand out fines and prison time.

You do agree this would be more effective than signs?

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

As a thought experiment, how many businesses do you imagine would post a sign advertising they do not require employees to wash hands if they were given the option to do so?

As a second thought experiment, how effective are these signs at actually getting employees to wash their hands?

I think the signs actually help. I don't suppose they create 100% compliance, but I think they increase the odds appreciably.

Or Tillis and his friends can just take their fare in the bathroom. That way they can decide for themselves. You know, freedom and all that.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Or Tillis and his friends can just take their fare in the bathroom. That way they can decide for themselves. You know, freedom and all that.

You'd think the conservatives would favor the signs, at the very least.
If the Health inspectors catch an employee not washing his hands before returning to work in the deli, then if the business posted a sign, they've taken all reasonable steps to ensure compliance, and the onus is on the employee. Not the employer's fault, so the fine can/should be passed along to the individual offender. Unless the inspector or the employee really expects/demands a monitor in the washroom during working hours, to make them comply. And the unions would seriously bitch about that requirement, about the loss of privacy, and so on.

 

[dismal]

Or Tillis and his friends can just take their fare in the bathroom. That way they can decide for themselves. You know, freedom and all that.

You'd think the conservatives would favor the signs, at the very least.
If the Health inspectors catch an employee not washing his hands before returning to work in the deli, then if the business posted a sign, they've taken all reasonable steps to ensure compliance, and the onus is on the employee. Not the employer's fault, so the fine can/should be passed along to the individual offender. Unless the inspector or the employee really expects/demands a monitor in the washroom during working hours, to make them comply. And the unions would seriously bitch about that requirement, about the loss of privacy, and so on.

You are not entitled to privacy in the hand washing area of a bathroom. And even if you were, the good of the many would outweigh it.

Why are you so against federal hand washing observers anyway?

Do you have something against clean hands?

 

[ksen]

I wash my hands every time after responding to a dismal post.

 

[dismal]

I wash my hands every time after responding to a dismal post.

At least the ones where I link the hot women anyway.

 

[ksen]

those too

 

[Keith&Co.]

You are not entitled to privacy in the hand washing area of a bathroom. And even if you were, the good of the many would outweigh it.

And how often to unions stop protests when 'the good of the many' is explained.

Why are you so against federal hand washing observers anyway?

Exactly where did i make a claim that was 'so against' federal hand washing observers? More of your reading comprehension difficulties, dismal?

 

[dismal]

And how often to unions stop protests when 'the good of the many' is explained.

Why are you so against federal hand washing observers anyway?

Exactly where did i make a claim that was 'so against' federal hand washing observers? More of your reading comprehension difficulties, dismal?

Unions concerns do not trump federal laws.

And if you are now going on record as supporting federal hand washing inspectors with the power to fine or imprison violators I withdraw my comments about your lack of commitment to handwashing.

 

[jonatha]

We could have federal bathroom monitors empowered to hand out fines and prison time.

You do agree this would be more effective than signs?

Do you agree a federal law mandating employees wash their hands would be more effective than a federal law allowing employees not to wash their hands but mandating the employer post a sign to that effect?

ETA - Actually, I suppose a more relevant adjective given Tillis's stated philosophy would be "burdensome"