Anger builds after police shoot assault suspect in Minneapolis

[ksen]

http://www.startribune.com/police-o...t-suspect-during-physical-struggle/349730171/

A man suspected of assault was shot on a north Minneapolis street by a police officer early Sunday while allegedly hindering emergency responders from aiding his victim.

The shooting ignited a chaotic scene of shouting and taunting bystanders who believed the man was handcuffed before police opened fire.

Police Chief Janeé Harteau said Sunday afternoon that her department’s preliminary information is that the man was not handcuffed when police shot him.

I suspect if there were video footage of the shooting with Jamar not in handcuffs we would have seen it by now. Weird how these cameras keep malfunctioning at certain times.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Handcuffs are made of metal. He could have beaten the police to death with them if he were some type of magician who knows how to unlock them (and the police can't take the risk of just up and assuming that he's not that).

Clear case of self-defence and a good shooting.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

http://www.startribune.com/police-o...t-suspect-during-physical-struggle/349730171/

A man suspected of assault was shot on a north Minneapolis street by a police officer early Sunday while allegedly hindering emergency responders from aiding his victim.

The shooting ignited a chaotic scene of shouting and taunting bystanders who believed the man was handcuffed before police opened fire.

Police Chief Janeé Harteau said Sunday afternoon that her department’s preliminary information is that the man was not handcuffed when police shot him.

I suspect if there were video footage of the shooting with Jamar not in handcuffs we would have seen it by now. Weird how these cameras keep malfunctioning at certain times.

So this is what all the hullabaloo was on the news... Relations between the north Minneapolis and the police have been very bad. Good to see the BCA (It's like a MN FBI) is stepping in.

 

[fromderinside]

I suspect if there were video footage of the shooting with Jamar not in handcuffs we would have seen it by now. Weird how these cameras keep malfunctioning at certain times.

It was a rainy Sunday night with temps around 50 F. Nobody wanted to get their cells wet. November and 50 degrees. Party, party, party. Cummon, Its Minneapolis.

 

[Derec]

#BLM choose yet another upstanding young man as a cause celebre - he assaulted his girlfriend and then tried to prevent paramedics from rendering aid.
And BLMers again make friends among working people by blocking their commute home.
Black Lives Matter Protesters Arrested After Shutting Down I-94 In Minneapolis
They also occupied the police station. Hope all of them got arrested as well.

(note the image of that "gentle giant" Michael Brown on their banner too)

 

[Derec]

I suspect if there were video footage of the shooting with Jamar not in handcuffs we would have seen it by now. Weird how these cameras keep malfunctioning at certain times.

How about we do not rush to judgment as to the shooting? Michael Brown case had a lot of "witnesses" too and it turned out to be very different than the #BLM narrative of "hands up don't shoot".

 

[Trausti]

I suspect if there were video footage of the shooting with Jamar not in handcuffs we would have seen it by now. Weird how these cameras keep malfunctioning at certain times.

How about we do not rush to judgment as to the shooting? Michael Brown case had a lot of "witnesses" too and it turned out to be very different than the #BLM narrative of "hands up don't shoot".

It's too profitable to hold back and wait for an investigation to take place. Without this, some people having nothing else to do.

 

[Toni]

How about we do not rush to judgment as to the shooting? Michael Brown case had a lot of "witnesses" too and it turned out to be very different than the #BLM narrative of "hands up don't shoot".

It's too profitable to hold back and wait for an investigation to take place. Without this, some people having nothing else to do.

And without people paying attention and calling attention, sometimes the investigation is pretty...cursory.

 

[Derec]

And without people paying attention and calling attention, sometimes the investigation is pretty...cursory.

Do you think that one can one pay/call attention without
a) jumping to conclusions like BLMers always do.
b) commiting crimes in the process, such as trespassing at the police precinct or shutting down I-94 (deliberately blocking interstate highway traffic should be a felony really)?

 

[Trausti]

So I guy assaults his girlfriend. While the paramedics are treating the girl the guy gets into a "physical altercation" with the paramedics. During the course of the "physical altercation" he gets shot. I'm sure the tired platitudes of him being a good kid (was 24 so baby pictures are coming) turning his life around will be trotted out. The DOJ will do an investigation, find the shooting was reasonable, but then write a report about how terribly wacists the police in that community are. The public treasury will be opened for plunder. Paging Al Sharpton. But if police misconduct is something really important to you, good grief pick better martyrs.

 

[laughing dog]

I suspect if there were video footage of the shooting with Jamar not in handcuffs we would have seen it by now. Weird how these cameras keep malfunctioning at certain times.

How about we do not rush to judgment as to the shooting? Michael Brown case had a lot of "witnesses" too and it turned out to be very different than the #BLM narrative of "hands up don't shoot".

You have no problem rushing to judgment about the victim.

 

[Derec]

You have no problem rushing to judgment about the victim.

That's not rushing to judgment, that's relaying the facts that are, as far as I know, not disputed.

 

[laughing dog]

You have no problem rushing to judgment about the victim.

That's not rushing to judgment, that's relaying the facts that are, as far as I know, not disputed.

The victim is alleged to have assaulted his girlfriend. He is alleged to have interfered with the paramedics. Yet you are taking these allegations about a black man as fact. However, in every alleged rape case, you continually claim the alleged rapist is innocent until proven guilty. Moreover, you ignore the fact that relations between the Minneapolis police and blacks in that part of city are bad. It is obvious you are rushing to judgment about the victim and the protesters.

 

[Toni]

And without people paying attention and calling attention, sometimes the investigation is pretty...cursory.

Do you think that one can one pay/call attention without
a) jumping to conclusions like BLMers always do.

I don't know: Can you? Because I have seen no evidence that you are unable to refrain from 'jumping to conclusions' any time there is a shooting of a black person or by a cop (any color victim). And some other situations but we're talking about a specific incident so I'll stick with that instead of delving into your other hobby horses.

b) commiting crimes in the process, such as trespassing at the police precinct or shutting down I-94 (deliberately blocking interstate highway traffic should be a felony really)?

You are certainly free to run for whichever legislative body is most applicable in your state and to work towards enacting such legislation. Or to lobby whoever are your state legislators to enact such laws.

What I'd like to know is how much you, personally, were inconvenienced by marchers closing down 1-94, how much anyone was inconvenienced and why you are always in such a lather to arrest and convict people you don't know for engaging in acts you consider to be criminal but which are not actually felonies in the state where they happen. I'm really curious. What problem or 'problem' would such a law solve--or 'solve?'

Do you have any idea what race relations are like in Minneapolis? How they've changed since the BLM movement got started? Why the BLM has taken hold in Minneapolis? Have you ever even been to Minneapolis?


Mostly, I am curious why it doesn't seem to bother you even a little bit when unarmed people are killed by police officers. Even if they are children.

 

[Derec]

The victim is alleged to have assaulted his girlfriend. He is alleged to have interfered with the paramedics. Yet you are taking these allegations about a black man as fact.

Given that the #justice4jamar crowd is not disputing these allegations I have no reason to doubt them at this time.

However, in every alleged rape case, you continually claim the alleged rapist is innocent until proven guilty.

Including those where the accused were black, yes. This wasn't a rape allegation, so it's a complete non sequitur.

Moreover, you ignore the fact that relations between the Minneapolis police and blacks in that part of city are bad.

What does that have to do with whether a shooting is justified?

It is obvious you are rushing to judgment about the victim and the protesters.

It is protesters jumping to conclusions about the shooting and are committing crimes in the process.

 

[laughing dog]

Given that the #justice4jamar crowd is not disputing these allegations I have no reason to doubt them at this time.

That is a non-sequitur to the issue - you are taking allegations as fact in this case while insisting that allegations are not to be taken in rape cases.

Including those where the accused were black, yes. This wasn't a rape allegation, so it's a complete non sequitur.

Nope, your double standard is obvious (see above).

What does that have to do with whether a shooting is justified?

It has to do with your jumping to conclusions about the protesters.

It is protesters jumping to conclusions about the shooting and are committing crimes in the process.

That is a non-sequitur to the issue of your obvious double standard of insisting that others do not rush to judge while you do. You are not fooling anyone here.

 

[Derec]

I don't know: Can you? Because I have seen no evidence that you are unable to refrain from 'jumping to conclusions' any time there is a shooting of a black person or by a cop (any color victim). And some other situations but we're talking about a specific incident so I'll stick with that instead of delving into your other hobby horses.

I did not jump to conclusions here. I have no idea whether the shooting is justified or not, and I am - unlike the #BLM protesters - willing to await the outcome of the investigation. However, given what the perp did before the shooting (and nobody is contradicting that so far) it's more likely than not justified.

What I'd like to know is how much you, personally, were inconvenienced by marchers closing down 1-94,

Not much given the shutdown was 1000 miles away from here, but last year some BLMers shut down the Downtown Connector here protesting Michael Brown's shooting so I have some experience with it.

how much anyone was inconvenienced

The idiots shut down a major interstate during evening rush hour and the shutdown lasted more than 2 hours. How much do you think everyone was inconvenienced? In addition, the thugs damaged cars and one even punched a cop.
Protesters shut down I-94 in Mpls., 51 arrested
Unfortunately they will only be charged with misdemeanors.

and why you are always in such a lather to arrest and convict people you don't know for engaging in acts you consider to be criminal

Shutting down an interstate highway is criminal.

but which are not actually felonies in the state where they happen. I'm really curious. What problem or 'problem' would such a law solve--or 'solve?'

More serious consequences would deter people from these tactics in the future. They did this nonsense with Michael Brown (whose shooting, may I remind you, turned out to be justified) and are doing it again.

Do you have any idea what race relations are like in Minneapolis? How they've changed since the BLM movement got started? Why the BLM has taken hold in Minneapolis?

I don't know and I don't care. Whatever they are, shutting down a major highway is not a justified tactic.

Have you ever even been to Minneapolis?

Yeah, once. Didn't shut down any major highways when I was up there though.

Mostly, I am curious why it doesn't seem to bother you even a little bit when unarmed people are killed by police officers.

Unarmed !=harmless. It also doesn't mean the shooting wasn't justified. Let's wait for the result of the investigation before jumping to conclusions.

Even if they are children.

This was a grown-ass man. Are you trying to derail?

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That is a non-sequitur to the issue of your obvious double standard of insisting that others do not rush to judge while you do. You are not fooling anyone here.

Now you are just stringing phrases at random. Mods, could you reboot "laughing dog" bot please ...

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Protestors say black man shot in the head while handcuffed.

Derec: "Let's not jump to conclusions, folks!"

Police say he was a suspect in a domestic assault and interfered with paramedics who responded to the scene.

Derec: "See, I told you he was guilty!"

 

[Derec]

Derec: "Let's not jump to conclusions, folks!"

Police say he was a suspect in a domestic assault and interfered with paramedics who responded to the scene.

Derec: "See, I told you he was guilty!"

There are two separate things here, what happened before the shooting and the shooting itself. Now, as far as I know, nobody disputes the assault and interference with the paramedics. The details of the shooting are in dispute, but of course the BLMers are sure it was murder and are blocking an interstate highway and stupid shit like this. And people on here defend them.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Derec: "Let's not jump to conclusions, folks!"



Derec: "See, I told you he was guilty!"

There are two separate things here, what happened before the shooting and the shooting itself. Now, as far as I know, nobody disputes the assault and interference with the paramedics. The details of the shooting are in dispute, but of course the BLMers are sure it was murder and are blocking an interstate highway and stupid shit like this. And people on here defend them.

The "BLMers" are demanding camera footage? Do the BLMers have a right to Freedom of Information?

By the way, they aren't suicide bombing anyone. Did you notice that?

Your problem with the BLMers does not address your double standard here and we also saw that in the case where the black police officer was indicted of reckless shooting. You drew a conclusion against him but are not drawing any conclusions here except against the victim of the shooting.

Wouldn't it make more sense to say let's wait and see if he did anything deserving of being shot AND let's wait and see if the police did anything unnecessary and/or reckless to be consistent?