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Annual chance of American killed by refugee in terrorist attack: 1 in 3.6 billion

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What a nation of cowards we have become. Why Trumps executive order does little for national security:

Tomorrow, President Trump is expected to sign an executive order enacting a 30-day suspension of all visas for nationals from Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, and Yemen. Foreigners from those seven nations have killed zero Americans in terrorist attacks on U.S. soil between 1975 and the end of 2015. Six Iranians, six Sudanese, two Somalis, two Iraqis, and one Yemini have been convicted of attempting or carrying out terrorist attacks on U.S. soil. Zero Libyans or Syrians have been convicted of planning a terrorist attack on U.S. soil during that time period.

Many other foreigners have been convicted of terrorism-related offenses that did not include planning a terrorist attack on U.S. soil. One list released by Senator Jeff Sessions (R-AL) details 580 terror-related convictions since 9/11. This incomplete list probably influenced which countries are temporarily banned, and likely provided justification for another section of Trump’s executive order, which directs the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to release all information on foreign-born terrorists going forward, and requires additional DHS reports to study foreign-born terrorism.

I exhaustively evaluated Senator Sessions’ list of convictions based on publicly available data and discovered some startling details.

First, 241 of the convictions (42 percent) were not for terrorism offenses. Senator Sessions puffed his numbers by including “terrorism-related convictions,” a nebulous category that includes investigations that begin due to a terrorism tip but then end in non-terrorism convictions. My favorite examples of this are the convictions of Nasser Abuali, Hussein Abuali, and Rabi Ahmed. An informant told the FBI that the trio tried to purchase a rocket-propelled grenade launcher, but the FBI found no evidence supporting the accusation. The three individuals were instead convicted of receiving two truckloads of stolen cereal. That is a crime but it is not terrorism.

Second, only 40 of the 580 convictions (6.9 percent) were for foreigners planning a terrorist attack on U.S. soil. Seeking to join a foreign terrorist group overseas, material support for a foreign terrorist, and seeking to commit an act of terror on foreign soil account for 180 of the 580 convictions (31 percent). Terrorism on foreign soil is a crime, should be a crime, and those convicted of these offenses should be punished severely but the government cannot claim that these convictions made America safe again because these folks were not targeting U.S. soil.

Third, 92 of the 580 convictions (16 percent) were for U.S. born citizens. No change in immigration law, visa limitations, or more rigorous security checks would have stopped them.

The executive order includes national security exemptions to be made on a case-by-case basis. The President reserves the option to ban the entry of nationals from additional countries in the future based on a national security risk report written by DHS. Furthermore, the Secretaries of State and Homeland Security can recommend visa bans for nationals from additional countries at any time.

In addition to the visa restrictions above, Trump’s executive order further cuts the refugee program to 50,000 annually, indefinitely blocks all refugees from Syria, and suspends all refugee admissions for 120 days. This is a response to a phantom menace. From 1975 to the end of 2015, 20 refugees have been convicted of attempting or committing terrorism on U.S. soil, and only three Americans have been killed in attacks committed by refugees—all in the 1970s. Zero Americans have been killed by Syrian refugees in a terrorist attack on U.S. soil. The annual chance of an American dying in a terrorist attack committed by a refugee is one in 3.6 billion. The other 17 convictions have mainly been for aiding or attempting to join foreign terrorists.

President Trump tweeted earlier this week that executive orders were intended to improve national security by reducing the terrorist threat. However, a rational evaluation of national security threats is not the basis for Trump’s orders, as the risk is fairly small but the cost is great. The measures taken here will have virtually no effect on improving U.S. national security.

https://www.cato.org/blog/little-national-security-benefit-trumps-executive-order-immigration
 
Given the disaster that is going on in Europe with mass migration of Muslims I can understand why US would want to put in brakes on "refugee" resettlement from Islamic countries. Especially those that have a high ratio of fundamentalist Islamists.

We do not need more US town becoming Clarkston, Ga.
 
Your odds of being attacked by a bear and struck by lightning are worse than being killed in a refugee attack.
 
Your odds of being attacked by a bear and struck by lightning are worse than being killed in a refugee attack.
It's not just the danger of a terrorist attack like is happening in Europe with increasing frequency, it is also the danger of islamization because many of these "refugees" are fundamentalist Islamists who also have a lot of children meaning that they increase their numbers rapidly.
And do we so quickly forget the New Jersey bombings, the St. Bernardino attacks, the Boston Marathon bombings. All Islamic terrorism. We do not need more fundamentalist Muslims. We should help refugees by all means, but resettlement into US should be restricted to those who do not have radical or fundamentalist leanings.

Also, let me tell you the story of the Khadr family from Egypt (father) and Palestinian territories (mother) who Canada foolishly let immigrate and gave citizenship to. The father was a friend of Al-Zawahiri and an Al Quida terrorist who went back and eventually died in the mountains of Pakistan. Of the total seven (!) children, three of his sons were captured as enemy combatants and served time in Guantanamo - the youngest killed a US solider but was still released. Another son was paralyzed during fighting. The daughter wears full burqa and Osama bin Laden was a guest at her wedding. Do we really need such families to come to the US?
 
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The U.S. has nothing to worry about refugee violence, but that is precisely because of the stringent immigration controls. Since 2011, U.S. has admitted only about 20,000 Syrian refugees compared to millions that headed to Europe, and it is in an enviable position to be able to vet all the applicants in advance.
 
And this is why we need to ban electrical phenomenon from our country!

It's amazing to me how supposedly liberal atheists fight Christian fundamentalism but then see Muslim fundamentalism as no big deal.

Also, it's "phenomena".
 
And this is why we need to ban electrical phenomenon from our country!

It's amazing to me how supposedly liberal atheists fight Christian fundamentalism but then see Muslim fundamentalism as no big deal.

Also, it's "phenomena".

No one is banning Christian immigrants or banishing Christian citizens, so, your analogy makes no sense.
 
No one is banning Christian immigrants or banishing Christian citizens, so, your analogy makes no sense.
My analogy is about how supposedly liberal atheists on here are fine with the decidedly illiberal, fundamentalist migrants who are to come here as "refugees".
 
No one is banning Christian immigrants or banishing Christian citizens, so, your analogy makes no sense.
My analogy is about how supposedly liberal atheists on here are fine with the decidedly illiberal, fundamentalist migrants who are to come here as "refugees".
Your analogy is based on fear, bigotry and, frankly, a large dose of delusion.

There is as much evidence that the USA is being "Islamized" by the relatively small number of immigrants (refugees or otherwise) from the rest of the world as there is that the USA is being "fascistfied" by the relatively small number of immigrants from Europe.

The vast majority of refugees are escaping war, terrorism and persecution from their home country. If the statistic is correct (1/3.6 billion), then the risk is not even miniscule. I strongly suspect that the possibility of an oil pipeline leak or rupture is higher than 1 out 3.6 billion but you have no problem imposes that risk on others.
 
And this is why we need to ban electrical phenomenon from our country!

It's amazing to me how supposedly liberal atheists fight Christian fundamentalism but then see Muslim fundamentalism as no big deal.

Also, it's "phenomena".

Thank you for the correction. You can sit down now with your red herring now.
 
My analogy is about how supposedly liberal atheists on here are fine with the decidedly illiberal, fundamentalist migrants who are to come here as "refugees".
I have no problem with Jehovah Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventist, and Scientologists entering our country. I am not a coward. I can take the 1 in 3.6 billion chance to let others active their dreams.
 
No one is banning Christian immigrants or banishing Christian citizens, so, your analogy makes no sense.
My analogy is about how supposedly liberal atheists on here are fine with the decidedly illiberal, fundamentalist migrants who are to come here as "refugees".

No, that's your assumption. However, also, your comparison of refugees to fundamentalists is not quite right in the head. For example, my good friend in my 20's was a refugee from Egypt and he was an okay guy.
 
What a nation of cowards we have become. Why Trumps executive order does little for national security:

Tomorrow, President Trump is expected to sign an executive order enacting a 30-day suspension of all visas for nationals from Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, and Yemen. Foreigners from those seven nations have killed zero Americans in terrorist attacks on U.S. soil between 1975 and the end of 2015. Six Iranians, six Sudanese, two Somalis, two Iraqis, and one Yemini have been convicted of attempting or carrying out terrorist attacks on U.S. soil. Zero Libyans or Syrians have been convicted of planning a terrorist attack on U.S. soil during that time period.

Many other foreigners have been convicted of terrorism-related offenses that did not include planning a terrorist attack on U.S. soil. One list released by Senator Jeff Sessions (R-AL) details 580 terror-related convictions since 9/11. This incomplete list probably influenced which countries are temporarily banned, and likely provided justification for another section of Trump’s executive order, which directs the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to release all information on foreign-born terrorists going forward, and requires additional DHS reports to study foreign-born terrorism.

I exhaustively evaluated Senator Sessions’ list of convictions based on publicly available data and discovered some startling details.

First, 241 of the convictions (42 percent) were not for terrorism offenses. Senator Sessions puffed his numbers by including “terrorism-related convictions,” a nebulous category that includes investigations that begin due to a terrorism tip but then end in non-terrorism convictions. My favorite examples of this are the convictions of Nasser Abuali, Hussein Abuali, and Rabi Ahmed. An informant told the FBI that the trio tried to purchase a rocket-propelled grenade launcher, but the FBI found no evidence supporting the accusation. The three individuals were instead convicted of receiving two truckloads of stolen cereal. That is a crime but it is not terrorism.

Second, only 40 of the 580 convictions (6.9 percent) were for foreigners planning a terrorist attack on U.S. soil. Seeking to join a foreign terrorist group overseas, material support for a foreign terrorist, and seeking to commit an act of terror on foreign soil account for 180 of the 580 convictions (31 percent). Terrorism on foreign soil is a crime, should be a crime, and those convicted of these offenses should be punished severely but the government cannot claim that these convictions made America safe again because these folks were not targeting U.S. soil.

Third, 92 of the 580 convictions (16 percent) were for U.S. born citizens. No change in immigration law, visa limitations, or more rigorous security checks would have stopped them.

The executive order includes national security exemptions to be made on a case-by-case basis. The President reserves the option to ban the entry of nationals from additional countries in the future based on a national security risk report written by DHS. Furthermore, the Secretaries of State and Homeland Security can recommend visa bans for nationals from additional countries at any time.

In addition to the visa restrictions above, Trump’s executive order further cuts the refugee program to 50,000 annually, indefinitely blocks all refugees from Syria, and suspends all refugee admissions for 120 days. This is a response to a phantom menace. From 1975 to the end of 2015, 20 refugees have been convicted of attempting or committing terrorism on U.S. soil, and only three Americans have been killed in attacks committed by refugees—all in the 1970s. Zero Americans have been killed by Syrian refugees in a terrorist attack on U.S. soil. The annual chance of an American dying in a terrorist attack committed by a refugee is one in 3.6 billion. The other 17 convictions have mainly been for aiding or attempting to join foreign terrorists.

President Trump tweeted earlier this week that executive orders were intended to improve national security by reducing the terrorist threat. However, a rational evaluation of national security threats is not the basis for Trump’s orders, as the risk is fairly small but the cost is great. The measures taken here will have virtually no effect on improving U.S. national security.

https://www.cato.org/blog/little-national-security-benefit-trumps-executive-order-immigration

The relatives of those few who do get killed estimate the likelihood as 100%.
 
My analogy is about how supposedly liberal atheists on here are fine with the decidedly illiberal, fundamentalist migrants who are to come here as "refugees".
I have no problem with Jehovah Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventist, and Scientologists entering our country. I am not a coward. I can take the 1 in 3.6 billion chance to let others active their dreams.

I look at things as a matter of space for housing and schooling. The UK has shortages in housing schools and hospitals. (The other day a patient was having an operation and when he was wheeled back to his ward, his bed had been stolen.)
 
What a nation of cowards we have become. Why Trumps executive order does little for national security:



https://www.cato.org/blog/little-national-security-benefit-trumps-executive-order-immigration

The relatives of those few who do get killed estimate the likelihood as 100%.

Do you not have sympathy for family members left behind by lighting bolts?? If so, should we not spend double the resources on preventing lighting strikes as we spend on fighting Jihadists? Since lighting kills twice as many Americans?
 
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